EPTLive HotS Match Discussion Thread - Page 102
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Ej_
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
I knew it was coming as soon as they banned out Medivh. They wanted to go for a dive comp, but MVP Black just kept drafting counter-dive. So Denial drafted more dive. With the Dehaka pick, they had a decent solo laner against Chen and allowed them to set up even more combos. It's not about setting up one huge blow up combo to kill someone. They have enough CC to set up a combo at any point. MVP Black has to respond to anything (Kerrigan combo, Dehaka lick, ETC slide, Tyrande stun) because it could be a dead teammate, but Denial doesn't have to commit to it. They can wait for a second or third or fourth opportunity. So it's a weirdly genius draft, but it's very hard to execute. When you're picking something that's insanely hard to execute against the best team in the world, though.... | ||
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Ej_
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KobraKay
Portugal4367 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
 .After the BM from Denial in the previous series, they really needed something to bring them back down to earth. NA is so far removed from Korea and the best in the world, and this series made that viscerally clear. There's no point in acting like you're on top of the world in your small little fish bowl. | ||
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Thax
Belgium1060 Posts
On October 27 2016 05:28 SC2John wrote: So....I don't think the draft is as bad as it seems on face value. I knew it was coming as soon as they banned out Medivh. They wanted to go for a dive comp, but MVP Black just kept drafting counter-dive. So Denial drafted more dive. With the Dehaka pick, they had a decent solo laner against Chen and allowed them to set up even more combos. It's not about setting up one huge blow up combo to kill someone. They have enough CC to set up a combo at any point. MVP Black has to respond to anything (Kerrigan combo, Dehaka lick, ETC slide, Tyrande stun) because it could be a dead teammate, but Denial doesn't have to commit to it. They can wait for a second or third or fourth opportunity. So it's a weirdly genius draft, but it's very hard to execute. When you're picking something that's insanely hard to execute against the best team in the world, though.... I feel that in both games Denial had an intelligent well thought out strategy. It's just that MVP black is outright mechanically better, so Denial couldn't make their strategies work. Edit: See the contrast with Burning rage who just looked like they didn't know what they were doing. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
On October 27 2016 05:34 SC2John wrote: I'm content .After the BM from Denial in the previous series, they really needed something to bring them back down to earth. NA is so far removed from Korea and the best in the world, and this series made that viscerally clear. There's no point in acting like you're on top of the world in your small little fish bowl. But they aren't even on Top in their own region. Astral far out classes them. Not to go into this again, but i think Naventic's consistent 3rd to 4th place finishes in both NA regional, should have given them the edge on either Denile or GFE's 2nd / 5th -6th place finishes. Feel like ego is what holds them back. Also since when did Denial become a strategic team? They're much more of a "mechanics" team. Need to give KR 4 Slots next year. ..Or at least give slots to the winners of regional world finals. So that in the event that KR teams take the first 2, they will effectively earn themselves more spots at Blizzcon. | ||
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On October 27 2016 05:34 Thax wrote: I feel that in both games Denial had an intelligent well thought out strategy. It's just that MVP black is outright mechanically better, so Denial couldn't make their strategies work. Edit: See the contrast with Burning rage who just looked like they didn't know what they were doing. Tbf, they are missing their primary tank, shotcaller, and drafter. Typhex's visa was denied twice  . | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4367 Posts
Will stay to watch a few more games then | ||
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Aceace
Turkey1305 Posts
Heroes of the Interview Heroes of the Desk There is no Heroes of the Storm. I'm going back to Civ. | ||
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On October 27 2016 06:29 Aceace wrote: Heroes of the Talk Heroes of the Interview Heroes of the Desk There is no Heroes of the Storm. I'm going back to Civ. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz standard Heroes tournament. | ||
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Beelzebub1
1005 Posts
On October 27 2016 06:29 Aceace wrote: Heroes of the Talk Heroes of the Interview Heroes of the Desk There is no Heroes of the Storm. I'm going back to Civ. Why is this so true this is the only reason I watch pro SC2 over pro HOTS, in pro SC2 they actually play the damn game T__T | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Eh hate the Valla pickup. ..I think ive only seen her win 1 game. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
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Ramiz1989
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
On October 27 2016 09:11 Ramiz1989 wrote: Just came back home, interesting Fel Flame build with slow on Corruption from iDream, wondering how it worked out? I don't think Gul'Dan carried the game or anything, but Denial won. It was super close, tbh. Denial's early/mid game rotations are atrocious, but they managed to carry themselves with late game teamfights where BR was not as polished. The South American guys played super well, though. I think if you came into the tournament without knowing the teams or where they were from, you wouldn't know that BR was from a minor (AKA weaker) region. | ||
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Ej_
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Deleted User 26513
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On October 27 2016 06:47 Beelzebub1 wrote: Why is this so true this is the only reason I watch pro SC2 over pro HOTS, in pro SC2 they actually play the damn game T__T It doesn't help that the games are so short, too. It's 15 minutes of gameplay AT BEST, then 5-10 mins desk, 5 min commercial, interview, desk, draft. Then 15 mins gameplay and again desk... etc. Games being so short is good and practical for casual players, but for pro games it's really bad. | ||
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