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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
November 01 2015 20:17 GMT
#1001
Can solo QM Tassadars just get banned or something. 7k shielding vs 64k healing from the other team's support. Sigh.
For some reason people seem to think Tassadar can 'heal' or something. Guess what? He can't.
He can migitate damage temporarily but it doesn't heal you since you lose the shield once it expires unlike healing where you keep the health you got from the healer. He works great with another support but solo QM Tassadars are a damn plague.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
November 01 2015 23:58 GMT
#1002
I dunno, I've won plenty of games as Tass as the only support. Healing ain't everything.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
November 02 2015 00:50 GMT
#1003
On November 02 2015 08:58 Larkin wrote:
I dunno, I've won plenty of games as Tass as the only support. Healing ain't everything.


There is a reason why heroes always assigns winner based on who healed the most: it is everything.
Don't Panic
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 02 2015 01:04 GMT
#1004
On November 02 2015 09:50 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 08:58 Larkin wrote:
I dunno, I've won plenty of games as Tass as the only support. Healing ain't everything.


There is a reason why heroes always assigns winner based on who healed the most: it is everything.

What?
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
November 02 2015 01:14 GMT
#1005
On November 02 2015 10:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 09:50 MotherFox wrote:
On November 02 2015 08:58 Larkin wrote:
I dunno, I've won plenty of games as Tass as the only support. Healing ain't everything.


There is a reason why heroes always assigns winner based on who healed the most: it is everything.

What?


It's a joke where I say something patently false as if it were true.
Don't Panic
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 02 2015 01:36 GMT
#1006
On November 02 2015 10:14 MotherFox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 10:04 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On November 02 2015 09:50 MotherFox wrote:
On November 02 2015 08:58 Larkin wrote:
I dunno, I've won plenty of games as Tass as the only support. Healing ain't everything.


There is a reason why heroes always assigns winner based on who healed the most: it is everything.

What?


It's a joke where I say something patently false as if it were true.

Yeah, I thought it was somewhat sarcastic, but you never know on the internet.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
November 02 2015 08:45 GMT
#1007
Well I did have a game after that one with again a Tassadar where we somehow won BB with Artanis (me), Illidan, Azmodan, Nazeebo and Tassadar vs Tyrande, Anub, Illidan, Sonya and Sylvanas.

Still, given that I've yet to see a pro match with Tassadar as the only support, having Tassadar vs a true healer can't exactly be very good for the team.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
November 02 2015 11:44 GMT
#1008
On November 02 2015 17:45 Thezzy wrote:
Well I did have a game after that one with again a Tassadar where we somehow won BB with Artanis (me), Illidan, Azmodan, Nazeebo and Tassadar vs Tyrande, Anub, Illidan, Sonya and Sylvanas.

Still, given that I've yet to see a pro match with Tassadar as the only support, having Tassadar vs a true healer can't exactly be very good for the team.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I saw one of the teams do this in the games last week (albeit unsuccessfully). I don't think tass works as the solo support in a pro game either, though. Just in QM, the level is nowhere near high enough that a good player/team will win regardless of how crappy the composition is, should the gulf in skill be that significant.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 02 2015 15:25 GMT
#1009
On November 02 2015 20:44 Larkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 17:45 Thezzy wrote:
Well I did have a game after that one with again a Tassadar where we somehow won BB with Artanis (me), Illidan, Azmodan, Nazeebo and Tassadar vs Tyrande, Anub, Illidan, Sonya and Sylvanas.

Still, given that I've yet to see a pro match with Tassadar as the only support, having Tassadar vs a true healer can't exactly be very good for the team.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I think I saw one of the teams do this in the games last week (albeit unsuccessfully). I don't think tass works as the solo support in a pro game either, though. Just in QM, the level is nowhere near high enough that a good player/team will win regardless of how crappy the composition is, should the gulf in skill be that significant.

You are not wrong, seen quite a few times that teams run Tassadar as main support backed up with some semi-support like Tyrande/Abathur etc. Cloud 9 especially like that combo from what I've seen.

Still Tassadar as the only support isn't really good but on the other hand enemy team in Thezzy's game had Tyrande as the only support which is even worse unless you really build team around that.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 02 2015 17:58 GMT
#1010
Spartanien won last Zotac Cup with Tassadar/Tyrael as all of their healing, definitely possible to run Tass with very minor support on the healing side now.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
November 02 2015 19:25 GMT
#1011
Was rank 18-20 for the first 200 games of hero league. Now 70 games later im at rank 30. I didnt get any worse. So what happened? BS game.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 02 2015 19:50 GMT
#1012
Wouldn't call Tyrande semi support anymore if basically everyone beats Uther now when it comes to healing numbers. Uther just got the stuns and one of the best ults in the game.

The issue with Tassadar in QM is that he is a 4k hero. So alot of people that are new will play him. And alot of people that are bored and got some gold to spend will take him for a spin. Serious Tassadars are really rare, because before the change he wasn't the best burst healer which he is now. So even Tassadar lovers didn't play him alot. Especially since a Tassadar is so good defensively he will slow down the game and the slower the game the better a good support shines.

currently I am playing a Tassadar/Sonya combo. Composition doesn't matter with this combo. Best QM experience ever, you just need 3 distractions, even if they are Laynors they do the job. It really helps that Uther is rare, even in his free week, because the standard build is to hard for most people to play.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 02 2015 21:13 GMT
#1013
You ever smashed a teamfight so hard that instead of killing the core after a full wipe your team decides to do golem and then the Nazeebo actually dies to it?

Because I just fucking did.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
MotherFox
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United States1529 Posts
November 02 2015 21:34 GMT
#1014
fortunately I haven't died this way yet, but a team I played with on Sat night insisted on killing the remaining two keeps instead of just coring after a teamwipe at level 23. Still don't know why people don't just win when they can. (especially when the core is literally in front of them with a full minion wave to soak)
Don't Panic
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
November 02 2015 22:00 GMT
#1015
Had a Garden Terror completely evading the exposed and lonely core to get the remaining Keeps first.
He could've easily solo'ed the core with a pot but instead gave the enemy team a chance to come back.

Abathur is another one of those heroes that can make a huge difference if played properly, and is borderline useless if played poorly.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
November 03 2015 01:09 GMT
#1016
On November 03 2015 07:00 Thezzy wrote:
Had a Garden Terror completely evading the exposed and lonely core to get the remaining Keeps first.
He could've easily solo'ed the core with a pot but instead gave the enemy team a chance to come back.

Abathur is another one of those heroes that can make a huge difference if played properly, and is borderline useless if played poorly.

Yeah Vikings, Abathur and maybe Murky falls into that category.
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Larkin
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United Kingdom7161 Posts
November 03 2015 02:27 GMT
#1017
On November 03 2015 06:13 Ej_ wrote:
You ever smashed a teamfight so hard that instead of killing the core after a full wipe your team decides to do golem and then the Nazeebo actually dies to it?

Because I just fucking did.


I actually got smashed in a teamfight, only for them to do boss rather than run through our keepless mid lane and kill core, their kael'thas to die to the boss, them to bail on doing the boss, us to respawn and steal their boss, and win the game.
https://www.twitch.tv/ttalarkin - streams random stuff, high level teamleague, maybe even heroleague
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
November 03 2015 04:25 GMT
#1018
Rank 1 Illidan decides to start solo'ing the boss around lvl 13 while the entire enemy team is alive, and a couple of them in mid lane at that. Against my better judgement, the rest of the team and I go to help. We actually killed it. Unfortunately, their lineup was Zag, ETC, Hammer, Malf, and Anub. Needless to say we did not get the cap...
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-03 14:11:06
November 03 2015 14:11 GMT
#1019
If I run into another idiot picking Artanis as solo tank in HL, I'll find him and gauge his eyes out.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Leolio
Profile Joined April 2012
France633 Posts
November 03 2015 14:15 GMT
#1020
I've ran into 2 opponent Artanis going double tank today, and won both games. I think his skill cap is just too high. Sorry I cannot rage I won my 3 lunchbreak HL games today. #wheresthebraggingthread
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