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I get too much flame as Nova. The HL lobby has become hell for me. Like 50% of the game someone will throw "no nova" at random. Often they'll explain to me how Nova means auto-lose and such bs... I either have to prepick her fast so that I have time to explain, or if I'm 1st or 2nd I'll just pick her the moment I can select my hero, no prepick so noone asking me to not pick her. They'll whine but I'm used to it.
It kinda escalated yesterday when a guy straight harrassed me, like 15 or 20 messages during the picks, saying if I pick Nova he'll report me and repeatedly asking the team to all report me ("Guys report him, 4 reports = 1 ban").
I was last to pick and I said a few times I want to adapt my pick to the other team and I'm willing to change. So since he went on me so hard I told him to calm down or I'll pick Nova just because of his attitude. Which I ended doing because he was such an ass, even though it wasn't the best pick for us (but I'm really good with Nova so it balances). I also explain him I'll mute him so that he doesn't waste time typing all game long.
The game starts, he ragequits, gets reported by at least 3 people, me included. The guys then realizes he has nothing better to do this evening and logs back 40 secs in. Too late for the reports ^^. We play and we win because everyone in the team played quite well, him included.
We lose 1 fight, he dies but we manage to kill enough of them so it's an ok trade. My friend tells me he said "See, Nova is a bad hero", because yes, if you die it's probably never your fault. The guy playing Anub responds "It's MY fault, not his. He plays well.". I could have kissed that guy I swear. You know, the kind of guy who says "sry" when he dies, and doesn't do the same mistake twice. It's good to have him and my friend on this game.
I often had games with the whole team picking at me the whole game because I picked Nova, and of course my level 20 with her and my rank 6 doesn't mean anything to a guy stuck at rank 25 (because of others of course).
Aaaah, I feel kinda better now. :D
edit: the name of Anu'b Arak was Levelord. Dude if you ever see this message, we need more people like you in this game!
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Yeah Nova causes a lot of hate.
The main reasons for that hate are:
1. She's the number one pub-stomper and hero killer
2. She's cloaked and deals her damage with one quick burst
3. She's not very good at much else
4. Many people play her horribly
A good Nova can be amazing against a squishy composition, but one should always keep in mind that Nova IS a one-trick pony. She's very good at that one trick no doubt, but she isn't always the best pick. There is a reason why she isn't seen much in pro-scene since players there can just instantly skillshot the blur and then Nova dies on the spot.
My preferred Heroes currently are Zagara and Anub'Arak and I'm playing around with Tyrael, but generally in HL I will play what works best for the team and the map.
All that said, I have had Nova players pick her when we're up against a double warrior composition with strong CC and in those cases she just can't shine if the enemy team knows how to deal with her. It's always tricky to find out when someone picks Nova if they're actually good with her, or if they're just picking her 'because Nova'.
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Everyone seems to think they are good with nova even the really bad ones.
Probably because you will get kills with her even if you play very poor.
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Everything is right here (except I won my last 2 games vs double tank with Nova because double tank suck at my level). But I agree fully with what you said. VS double tank I don't go Nova I'm not THAT stupid. ^^
But there are 2 things she does well. Bursting, everyone knows that, it's true. Scouting is another very important part. If I can reveal the opponents my team can either go play the map, or come pick the guys.
Nova can't do anything else at all. Nothing.
But come on, just don't insta-flame the guy picking Nova. HL lobby is here to discuss strategy, not to melt your own team with insults. ;-)
Also, another rage. We play mines. I suck at mines (33% win rate in HL, yup). 1st guy picks Sylv. Awesome it's the ultimate 1st pick on mines, or so I thought. In 3 golems total, I think he got 15 skulls tops ? Maybe less, we took one 50% and two 90% golems in the face. I always asked him to get ready for mines. He says, dude I was low health. Just go heal when you see the timer for the mines. So I go as far as say him "dude mines in roughly 1 min, get ready". He dies. He never ever got in mines in time. Guess who won ? (advanced hint: not us)
(I wasn't Nova of course as I suck on this map)
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On October 12 2015 19:28 Garbels wrote:
Everyone seems to think they are good with nova even the really bad ones.
Probably because you will get kills with her even if you play very poor.
I suspect that many people are good in some games and bad in others, but don't understand why. It feels like I'm either godly with nova [enemy team doesn't know how to spot blur, frequently overextends, etc] or I'm not [enemy team knows to play safe, I die instantly if I ever get in range of skillshot abilities, etc]
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Ally: I'm going Nazeebo.
Me: But they just picked Sylvanas. Nazeebo is probably not a great choice...well, as long as you don't go Ravenous. Plus, Diablo's ult will just hard counter you.
Ally: I'm not sure which ult I want to go yet....
Me: How can you not know?? You literally can't go Ravenous.
Ally: If I position perfectly, it shouldn't be a problem.
Me: -_-
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I don't understand why nazeebo would be bad vs sylvanas. Enlighten me?
The issues with ravenous I get, though.
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It seems like a ton of people don't know how to play versus ETC very well now that he's back. I've been getting so many 3+ person moshes it is unfair.
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On October 14 2015 03:52 MotherFox wrote:
I don't understand why nazeebo would be bad vs sylvanas. Enlighten me?
The issues with ravenous I get, though.
Would wailing arrow cancel out Ravenous? I am curious as well. Syl is probably next on my pick up list though.
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On October 14 2015 03:52 MotherFox wrote:
I don't understand why nazeebo would be bad vs sylvanas. Enlighten me?
The issues with ravenous I get, though.
It's just that he was planning on picking Ravenous Spirit Nazeebo into Sylvanas and Diablo, and literally the entire team was like, "Yeah...I don't think that's going to work. You can pick him if you go Garg, but otherwise...you REALLY need to consider something else."
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Just a case of, there are better options then.
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This is only tangentially related, but I've really been enjoying blizzard builds on jaina vs nazeebos with ravenous. You don't cancel the ravenous when you cast a storm front/snow crash a triple-wave blizzard from far away, but you do make the nazeebo nervous and/or dead while you run from his ravenous spirit.
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Lost what turned out to be a very close game because the Reghar is a complete noob who doesn't take the ancestral heroic, and ends up with less than 5000 total healing. He takes the buffing heroic instead, and doesn't even use it in team fights.
Can't decide if that was worse than the loss due to an Illidan who never stayed with the team, even when asked to multiple times, fed incessantly, used metamorphosis randomly when there was no opposing team members around, and ended up with less total dmg than Li Li.
Potatoes definitely do lose games sometimes, and there is almost no way to cover for them. The only hope is that the other team has a similarly bad potato.
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On October 14 2015 05:44 Chachy wrote:
Lost what turned out to be a very close game because the Reghar is a complete noob who doesn't take the ancestral heroic, and ends up with less than 5000 total healing. He takes the buffing heroic instead, and doesn't even use it in team fights.
Can't decide if that was worse than the loss due to an Illidan who never stayed with the team, even when asked to multiple times, fed incessantly, used metamorphosis randomly when there was no opposing team members around, and ended up with less total dmg than Li Li.
Potatoes definitely do lose games sometimes, and there is almost no way to cover for them. The only hope is that the other team has a similarly bad potato.
I've started to resent QM Illidan more than Nova.
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On October 12 2015 18:57 Thezzy wrote:
Yeah Nova causes a lot of hate.
The main reasons for that hate are:
My issue with her is simple. She doesn't contribute anything beyond a reasonable amount of burst. She has no waveclear, little to no utility clearing camps, no sustain. She can pick squishies very well... but that's it. You get so much more from other ranged assassins she just isn't worth it.
On October 14 2015 03:52 MotherFox wrote:
I don't understand why nazeebo would be bad vs sylvanas. Enlighten me?
The issues with ravenous I get, though.
As someone who plays a lot of Nazeebo and Sylvanas, obviously ravenous is cancelled by wailing arrow, so that goes without saying. Sylvanas will traditionally dominate Nazeebo in a lane (presuming they both solo bot as is customary). Nazeebo's utility remains pretty constant though while Sylv's kinda teeters off the later the game goes and her pushing power isn't as strong. I like both of them. No reason one can't be played against the other - but going ravenous is kinda silly against Sylv and Dibblez, unless you wait for both of their heroics to be used first.
On October 14 2015 08:27 ThomasjServo wrote:
I've started to resent QM Illidan more than Nova.
It's remarkable how hard Illidan is, actually, if you're solo in QM with him. When he was free and I was getting him to level 5 I think I lost 4 or 5 straight games with him. I didn't play particularly awfully, but I couldn't dominate. He dies so easily if you don't have the right support for him. You really need to build a composition around him - Abathur, Tassadar, Kharazim etc - for him to shine.
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Well, I know those master players are all a bunch of noobs but she's been at a consistent 55% winrate on hotslogs since a few days. She's really more than a gimmick hero.
And I'd arghe she plays for the team. Finishing an hero is just consolidating all your team's effort to bring him down. If you play her well you give a lot of map control to your team. Also, you can save an ally getting chased by nuking to make the his pursuers stop or hesitate 1 precious second.
That's teamwork on another level than sustain / waveclear / heal / take camps. It's not better, it's not worse either. It's just another way.
I agree that Illidan can hurt your team more though. A bad Nova will die a few times, miss a few kills and won't give map vision on the other team. A bad Illidan will feed the whole game.
Also, about the Nazeebo / Sylv discussion, I'd say that Sylvanas doesn't have mana issues so she can exhaust Nazeebo's mana to get a little advantage in lane. Also her waveclear is a bit more powerful. But between Nazeebo and Sylvanas I'd always prefer Nazeebo, really good sylvanas are so rare.
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On October 14 2015 09:39 Larkin wrote:
It's remarkable how hard Illidan is, actually, if you're solo in QM with him. When he was free and I was getting him to level 5 I think I lost 4 or 5 straight games with him. I didn't play particularly awfully, but I couldn't dominate. He dies so easily if you don't have the right support for him. You really need to build a composition around him - Abathur, Tassadar, Kharazim etc - for him to shine.
Had the same impression with Illidan.
The only thing i could do was hunt squishy in QM and kill buildings.
In teamfights i was always the first to die, even when i waited for the tank to engage and just poke around the edges... one stun and bamm, i exploded
The worst thing was that you felt obligated to chase someone, which more often than not, is a mistake
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Melee assassins in solo QM can be a disaster waiting to happen.
They're so reliant on their team to shine that going solo QM is very risky.
You might get a decent team composition that can support them or you might not.
I've had several Kerrigan QM games where I could grasp the entire team into a stun only for nothing else to happen and Kerrigan to get focused down and blown up.
They need an Uther/Rehgar/Kharazim to keep them alive when they get focused or they'll just be so frustrating to play.
Of course, if you DO get a team that can support them, then (especially in QM) you can dominate so very hard.
In HL, when I see the enemy team pick an early Uther or they get him + melee assassin, I'll usually try and go Anub'Arak to try and provide some counter with Cocoon/Web Blast. Sometimes I instead pick Uther away if Anub isn't an option.
It's funny to then see the enemy team suddenly taking their time deciding who they need to heal with instead. 
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On October 14 2015 22:14 Thezzy wrote:Melee assassins in solo QM can be a disaster waiting to happen. They're so reliant on their team to shine that going solo QM is very risky. You might get a decent team composition that can support them or you might not. I've had several Kerrigan QM games where I could grasp the entire team into a stun only for nothing else to happen and Kerrigan to get focused down and blown up. They need an Uther/Rehgar/Kharazim to keep them alive when they get focused or they'll just be so frustrating to play. Of course, if you DO get a team that can support them, then (especially in QM) you can dominate so very hard. In HL, when I see the enemy team pick an early Uther or they get him + melee assassin, I'll usually try and go Anub'Arak to try and provide some counter with Cocoon/Web Blast. Sometimes I instead pick Uther away if Anub isn't an option. It's funny to then see the enemy team suddenly taking their time deciding who they need to heal with instead.
I almost view it as a common courtesy kind of thing more than anything. Here is this hero that is viable, but you are choosing them even though you don't know what map, who the other heroes will be, and what is on the other team. You know what I mean?
Sure you could get a good roll on your team or theirs, but it is a bit not rude but maybe just inconsiderate to pick a hero that requires that level of support when you don't know so much.
It's remarkable how hard Illidan is, actually, if you're solo in QM with him. When he was free and I was getting him to level 5 I think I lost 4 or 5 straight games with him. I didn't play particularly awfully, but I couldn't dominate. He dies so easily if you don't have the right support for him. You really need to build a composition around him - Abathur, Tassadar, Kharazim etc - for him to shine.
I'm don't want to trash his skill cap, I think that the variation in numbers he puts out are amazing between players who have an idea of what they are doing, and players who have seen what a well supported Illidan can do that solo dive and wonder why they didn't kill 3 players on the opposing team.
Like I mentioned above, I just think the solo illidan in QM is kind of inconsiderate relative to other heroes.
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On October 14 2015 22:24 ThomasjServo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2015 22:14 Thezzy wrote:Melee assassins in solo QM can be a disaster waiting to happen. They're so reliant on their team to shine that going solo QM is very risky. You might get a decent team composition that can support them or you might not. I've had several Kerrigan QM games where I could grasp the entire team into a stun only for nothing else to happen and Kerrigan to get focused down and blown up. They need an Uther/Rehgar/Kharazim to keep them alive when they get focused or they'll just be so frustrating to play. Of course, if you DO get a team that can support them, then (especially in QM) you can dominate so very hard. In HL, when I see the enemy team pick an early Uther or they get him + melee assassin, I'll usually try and go Anub'Arak to try and provide some counter with Cocoon/Web Blast. Sometimes I instead pick Uther away if Anub isn't an option. It's funny to then see the enemy team suddenly taking their time deciding who they need to heal with instead. I almost view it as a common courtesy kind of thing more than anything. Here is this hero that is viable, but you are choosing them even though you don't know what map, who the other heroes will be, and what is on the other team. You know what I mean? Sure you could get a good roll on your team or theirs, but it is a bit not rude but maybe just inconsiderate to pick a hero that requires that level of support when you don't know so much.
Of course, but how else will you to learn and play a new hero?
I don't play Kerrigan in QM anymore for above reasons but when I first got her I couldn't even play HL yet.
And as for inconsiderate, there are plenty of players that go for Tassadar in solo QM denying our team a healer and often granting the enemy team one.
At the same time, one could say picking anything but a Tank or Healer is inconsiderate because you're taking a spot on the team that won't be a Tank or Healer. QM will always be random and there will always be those picks that don't do well without a solid team but that's kinda what QM is for. Playing vs AI is pointless because you don't get a realistic response from the bots and teammates play very weirdly against them. I tried it a grant total of once and never will again.
Still think Blizzard should add a rule or a checkable option where both teams are matched either with both a Tank and Healer, or without. Currently if you don't get a Tank in QM and the enemy team does, it becomes a much harder game to win.
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