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Sikian
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Spain177 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 16:50:11
March 11 2015 16:49 GMT
#7481
About the minimap (I've also had this issue in LoL), I'd say it would be a good idea to add a hotkey+click to move on it.

For example:
click on the minimap --> the hero moves down-right
control+click on the minimap --> the hero moves towards the click point in the minimap
Helping Starbow :: a.k.a. SoaH
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
March 11 2015 17:06 GMT
#7482
Yeah but that's super confusing for new players, not something Blizzard would want. The other option would be adding a..square around the map.to delimit better that section, however that would look terrible with the current interface.
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
March 11 2015 17:26 GMT
#7483
The best solution would simply be to add an interface option that allows or disallows movement clicks on the minimap.
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 17:28:01
March 11 2015 17:27 GMT
#7484
One of these weeks I want Blizz to set as the free rotation:
Lost Vikings
Murky
Abathur
Azmodan
Nova

And then just sit back and watch the world rage.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 11 2015 17:28 GMT
#7485
On March 12 2015 02:27 Yoav wrote:
One of these weeks I want Blizz to set as the free rotation:
Lost Vikings
Murky
Abathur
Azmodan
Nova

And then just sit back and watch the world rage.

Add Gazlowe for good measure.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
March 11 2015 17:54 GMT
#7486
On March 12 2015 02:27 Yoav wrote:
One of these weeks I want Blizz to set as the free rotation:
Lost Vikings
Murky
Abathur
Azmodan
Nova

And then just sit back and watch the world rage.


All of a sudden, average game length triples
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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
March 11 2015 18:41 GMT
#7487
Imagine getting that team in QM and then being up against ETC, Uther, Valla, Stitches and Jaina.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
March 11 2015 18:41 GMT
#7488
On March 12 2015 02:06 [Phantom] wrote:
Yeah but that's super confusing for new players, not something Blizzard would want. The other option would be adding a..square around the map.to delimit better that section, however that would look terrible with the current interface.


Is it that confusing? Just tell them it in the tutorial.
Wat
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
March 11 2015 18:51 GMT
#7489
On March 12 2015 03:41 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 02:06 [Phantom] wrote:
Yeah but that's super confusing for new players, not something Blizzard would want. The other option would be adding a..square around the map.to delimit better that section, however that would look terrible with the current interface.


Is it that confusing? Just tell them it in the tutorial.

I would think it's as easy as an option in the interface menu. Default is how it is currently but you can toggle it to be a ctrl+click to use the minimap for movement. I'd definitely appreciate that.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
aBstractx
Profile Joined May 2010
United States287 Posts
March 11 2015 19:07 GMT
#7490
abstract.936

i kinda need some people to play with.. so boring going alone all the time. does anyone wana link up?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
March 11 2015 19:10 GMT
#7491
On March 12 2015 04:07 aBstractx wrote:
abstract.936

i kinda need some people to play with.. so boring going alone all the time. does anyone wana link up?

It looks like someone nuked the NA portion of the players list. Join #teamliquid on HotS and ask around.

And given how bad the matchmaker is, I highly recommend queuing with at least one good/decent player -- particularly if you have any intention of getting to Rank 1 in hero league. It makes a world of difference.
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-11 19:18:45
March 11 2015 19:18 GMT
#7492
Or players could just learn to be more accurate with their mouseclicks. At the risk of sounding like a SC:BW bittervet (which I'm probably not, I was always terrible) how easy mode do we need to be? If you can't avoid clicking the minimap, how can you be accurate on skillshots?

I would consider not inadvertently clicking on sections of the interface that don't do what you want to do at the time to be basic parts of good gameplay. And I am not a hardcore player. I have a wife and a job and a one year old daughter who still isn't sleeping through the night effectively. I'm about as casual as you can get these days, and I still think if I click the minimap by accident it's my own damn fault and I don't need my hand held to make me feel better.

+ Show Spoiler +
In my day we didn't even have minimaps and you had to scroll the whole screen if you wanted to see something else! Kids these days, grumble mumble grumble, get off my lawn!
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
March 11 2015 19:29 GMT
#7493
On March 12 2015 04:10 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 04:07 aBstractx wrote:
abstract.936

i kinda need some people to play with.. so boring going alone all the time. does anyone wana link up?

It looks like someone nuked the NA portion of the players list. Join #teamliquid on HotS and ask around.


The filter was on again. I deleted it so that this doesn't happen again.

If you know how to filter and want to use it please turn it off when you're done
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
March 11 2015 19:56 GMT
#7494
On March 11 2015 22:08 xDaunt wrote:
Nova has two problems. The most obvious is that she has zero utility outside of attacking heroes. The other problem is that she has no escape, which means that it is very hard for her to play around enemy detection. An oracle-spamming Tassadar can make it very difficult for Nova to properly operate because she won't be able to safely approach the enemy team from the dangerous directions that she often needs to -- particularly in 5v5s. Zeratul, in contrast, can play around detection and other "counters" simply because he of his high mobility.

All of that said, she is still a good pub stomper. I just cringe whenever I see people pick her against high ranked players.


Nova's my guilty pleasure. But ya she's so bad at everything not involved with ganking someone. Once you get Armor Piercing Rounds you just lose what little landing abilities you had and on certain maps objectives feel especially useless (boss on cursed hallow, grave golem on haunted mines, ect).

But boy can she blow stuff up. I had a game on Haunted mines - snipe, envenom, crippling shot, bye Valla! I've been on the receiving end before and know that even if Nova dies in the exchange there's nothing more frustrating than getting popped like that.

Overpower, Triple Tap - just delete someone from the game. Sneak up and remove the healer during a team fight, that basically swings things for you.

But ya, Nova can't do much other than that so pushing back a lane if you're the only one up feels so futile. And all too many Nova's break cloak doing things she's not good at which completely neuter's the intimidation she offers (not to mention opens you up to getting killed).

Since she can only kill guys, it's hard for her to effect a comeback. I had a game where I had 24 takedowns while the next highest on our team had 12, but it just didn't matter. When they were dead, Nova can't do anything re: map.

It's not like Zeratul where he can still take map objectives, push back lanes *and* kill the occasional straggler to help you get back in it.
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
March 11 2015 20:16 GMT
#7495
On March 12 2015 04:18 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Or players could just learn to be more accurate with their mouseclicks. At the risk of sounding like a SC:BW bittervet (which I'm probably not, I was always terrible) how easy mode do we need to be? If you can't avoid clicking the minimap, how can you be accurate on skillshots?

I would consider not inadvertently clicking on sections of the interface that don't do what you want to do at the time to be basic parts of good gameplay. And I am not a hardcore player. I have a wife and a job and a one year old daughter who still isn't sleeping through the night effectively. I'm about as casual as you can get these days, and I still think if I click the minimap by accident it's my own damn fault and I don't need my hand held to make me feel better.

+ Show Spoiler +
In my day we didn't even have minimaps and you had to scroll the whole screen if you wanted to see something else! Kids these days, grumble mumble grumble, get off my lawn!


The problem is that a player retreating to the right has to scroll to the right side of the screen to push the map. Then you have to pull back towards the center to click on the right center side of the screen to continue to move in the correct direction.

It is a minor unfair advantage to the team spawning on the left, enough said.
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
March 11 2015 20:57 GMT
#7496
On March 12 2015 04:18 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Or players could just learn to be more accurate with their mouseclicks. At the risk of sounding like a SC:BW bittervet (which I'm probably not, I was always terrible) how easy mode do we need to be? If you can't avoid clicking the minimap, how can you be accurate on skillshots?

I would consider not inadvertently clicking on sections of the interface that don't do what you want to do at the time to be basic parts of good gameplay. And I am not a hardcore player. I have a wife and a job and a one year old daughter who still isn't sleeping through the night effectively. I'm about as casual as you can get these days, and I still think if I click the minimap by accident it's my own damn fault and I don't need my hand held to make me feel better.

+ Show Spoiler +
In my day we didn't even have minimaps and you had to scroll the whole screen if you wanted to see something else! Kids these days, grumble mumble grumble, get off my lawn!


it's way easier to accidentally click the heroes minimap than in starcraft (or any other rts/moba I've seen) because the heroes minimap is just planted on top of the playing field instead of getting its own part of the screen.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 11 2015 21:06 GMT
#7497
I use Nova in hero league as a counter pick to Lost Vikings.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
March 12 2015 01:37 GMT
#7498
Yeah, i jsut bought the vikings this week and learned in the hard wat that nova is a pretty good counter to them. You can play around her though dependng on how you split your vikings or at worst if you mantain them together, but still, probably a bad desiscion to buy them on nova free week.

Also:

LOL
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
March 12 2015 09:20 GMT
#7499
Anyone still getting into rank 1? Blizzard said each rank was supposed to represent 2% of players, so if that's working as intended, it must be pretty tough to get into rank 1 now since there are so many people there already. I'm almost there, but kinda hit my plateau. I blame it on Elo heaven. Every game I'm being matched against rank 1s and pros, and they're all so good, and I can't beat them. I wish that sometimes I would get pros on my side .
LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 12:00:02
March 12 2015 11:59 GMT
#7500
On March 12 2015 05:57 renlynn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 04:18 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Or players could just learn to be more accurate with their mouseclicks. At the risk of sounding like a SC:BW bittervet (which I'm probably not, I was always terrible) how easy mode do we need to be? If you can't avoid clicking the minimap, how can you be accurate on skillshots?

I would consider not inadvertently clicking on sections of the interface that don't do what you want to do at the time to be basic parts of good gameplay. And I am not a hardcore player. I have a wife and a job and a one year old daughter who still isn't sleeping through the night effectively. I'm about as casual as you can get these days, and I still think if I click the minimap by accident it's my own damn fault and I don't need my hand held to make me feel better.

+ Show Spoiler +
In my day we didn't even have minimaps and you had to scroll the whole screen if you wanted to see something else! Kids these days, grumble mumble grumble, get off my lawn!


it's way easier to accidentally click the heroes minimap than in starcraft (or any other rts/moba I've seen) because the heroes minimap is just planted on top of the playing field instead of getting its own part of the screen.


It's in a bottom corner just like any other RTS or Moba, it's just there's less interface around it.

I don't think I've ever click the minimap by accident, mainly because if I'm in position where I need to move precisely, I click closer to my actual hero (not across the screen) so I don't have pathing mistakes, and if I don't need to be that precise, I'll usually just click the minimap anyway on purpose. Maybe I'm lazy, but I sure as heck don't want to have to press another hotkey to use the minimap to move just because some people can't click accurately.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
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