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Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
November 21 2014 09:10 GMT
#4281
8-0 on Uther now, picking him is starting to feel like borderline cheating at this point.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 21 2014 14:55 GMT
#4282
The reddit channel is far more populated than the TL channel. Since having multiple chat channels at once is sort of a hassle I only hang out in that one.
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 21 2014 15:11 GMT
#4283
Now that I'm close to level 10 with him, I want to offer a few more thoughts on Zeratul.

The earlier suggestion that he should be played like LeBlanc (LoL champ for those who don't know) is pretty close to the mark. Wormhole is too good and useful to skip. Assassin's blade isn't really necessary. Yeah, you'll wish you had it against tankier targets, but Zeratul's strength is in blowing up squishies, where it isn't necessary (particularly if you have gathering power stacks and a level advantage).

I still think that regen master is the best level 1 talent to take on him. This is especially the case if you take the stealth bomb talent at level 7 (which you should). You can get away with staying in prolonged fights a lot more than you otherwise would.

Zeratul's ability to gank at level 1 and onward in the laning phase is really, really strong. As long as you're careful about blinking into tower range to get a kill (something I am guilty of sometimes), you can really help set your team ahead on the XP race. Zeratul + Abathur is a particularly nasty combo. If you gank someone with symbiote on you, your target is almost a guaranteed kill. It should also be noted that symbiote does not seem to reveal stealth.

I think I have a better idea of when to use void prison and when not to now. The problem with void prison is that you can royally screw up your team in teamfights if you're not careful. There are two circumstances when void prison is always safe to use. The first is when you're trying to secure an escape from a fight -- particularly if you're trying to get your teamfights out. The other use is to set up kills on fleeing enemy heroes. In particular, I like using void prison to give me time to refresh the cooldowns on my abilities. Keep in mind that enemy cooldown timers freeze when they're in the void prison. This 5 second advantage can be huge. Beyond these two uses, I think that you have to be very careful about when and whether you drop the void prison.
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 21 2014 15:27 GMT
#4284
^ its situational, personally i feel block lvl1 is great when enemy team has nova
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 15:54:06
November 21 2014 15:52 GMT
#4285
You should also note that void prison has outstanding defensive capabilities as well. Nova 3Tap on someone? VP him. A few of you won a fight but Nova is PS'ing you now? VP the area. Stitches hooked someone? VP them. Tyreal initiates on someone away from the 5? VP them. If you can anticipate a combo execution you can royally screw up the team by dropping the VP on your own team mate.
Wat
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 21 2014 17:49 GMT
#4286
I can't quite figure out Falstad.
I seem to land decent shock and awes, but my damage numbers are terrible. Are you just supposed to all-in on damage for his talents?

On the topic of Zeratul. One thing a lot of players don't seem to take advantage of is the invulnerability to buildings. 5 seconds is a long time when wailing away at a grave golem and trading a back tower for a keep is a win in my book.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 17:58:17
November 21 2014 17:57 GMT
#4287
On November 22 2014 02:49 ssxsilver wrote:
I can't quite figure out Falstad.
I seem to land decent shock and awes, but my damage numbers are terrible. Are you just supposed to all-in on damage for his talents?

On the topic of Zeratul. One thing a lot of players don't seem to take advantage of is the invulnerability to buildings. 5 seconds is a long time when wailing away at a grave golem and trading a back tower for a keep is a win in my book.


If you don't have BOOMarang and Overdrive, your damage will be shit. Lean on your E to slightly overextend to poke in laning (don't use it to engage, just use it to disjoint and escape). You only really lose to Zagara. Rewind/Giant Killer depends on enemy team comp, but Rewind gives better numbers generally. Always overdive Shock and Awe. If it's down, Overdrive/Q/W/Rewind/Q is your burst.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 18:11:21
November 21 2014 18:08 GMT
#4288
Most damage seems to come from W for me, Q is more for poking and catching up to people, then I auto them and stay in W range thanks to that. I don't even take BOOMarang.
Maybe I'm still dealing little damage compared to a good Falstad, though, but it didn't seem lacking to me at all.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 21 2014 18:29 GMT
#4289
On November 22 2014 03:08 Alaric wrote:
Most damage seems to come from W for me, Q is more for poking and catching up to people, then I auto them and stay in W range thanks to that. I don't even take BOOMarang.
Maybe I'm still dealing little damage compared to a good Falstad, though, but it didn't seem lacking to me at all.

Oh dear, total facepalm moment. I didn't even know W doubled up as an activate. I guess my damage was pretty good all things considered T.T.
Arnstein
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway3381 Posts
November 21 2014 23:55 GMT
#4290
I really enjoy playing with Zerathul and Rehgar. Will play this a lot during christmas, when I take breaks from WoW
rsol in response to the dragoon voice being heard in SCII: dragoon ai reaches new lows: wanders into wrong game
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 22 2014 12:07 GMT
#4291
is there any way to know his MMR ?
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 22 2014 12:16 GMT
#4292
Can Anub'Arak's first ult keep Zeratul/Nova visible if you can stay close enough that they'll be constantly attacked?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ovid
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom948 Posts
November 22 2014 12:43 GMT
#4293
On November 22 2014 21:07 Makro wrote:
is there any way to know his MMR ?


Upload your games to hotslogs.
I will make Yogg Saron priest work...
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
November 22 2014 12:47 GMT
#4294
On November 22 2014 21:43 Ovid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 21:07 Makro wrote:
is there any way to know his MMR ?


Upload your games to hotslogs.

thanks
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
November 22 2014 21:41 GMT
#4295
On November 22 2014 21:47 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2014 21:43 Ovid wrote:
On November 22 2014 21:07 Makro wrote:
is there any way to know his MMR ?


Upload your games to hotslogs.

thanks

most of the time you dont even have to do it yourself, it's enough if somebody in your game does
bisu
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
November 22 2014 22:49 GMT
#4296
On November 22 2014 21:16 Alaric wrote:
Can Anub'Arak's first ult keep Zeratul/Nova visible if you can stay close enough that they'll be constantly attacked?

Yes.
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
November 22 2014 23:03 GMT
#4297
Any news when Blizz is going to update new maps and heroes?
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 23:30:34
November 22 2014 23:30 GMT
#4298
On November 23 2014 08:03 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Any news when Blizz is going to update new maps and heroes?


only thing for sure is when closed beta start in january.. not sure if they going to release somthing in december

oh cool you in cascade ? :p
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
Dav1oN
Profile Joined January 2012
Ukraine3164 Posts
November 23 2014 00:37 GMT
#4299
On November 23 2014 08:30 GizmoPT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2014 08:03 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:
Any news when Blizz is going to update new maps and heroes?


only thing for sure is when closed beta start in january.. not sure if they going to release somthing in december

oh cool you in cascade ? :p


Yeah, I'm in cascade 4 years soon :D
In memory of Geoff "iNcontroL" Robinson 11.09.1985 - 21.07.2019 A tribute to incredible man, embodiment of joy, esports titan, starcraft community pillar all in one. You will always be remembered!
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 23 2014 07:41 GMT
#4300
Sorry if this has been asked (this thread is hard to navigate), but what are the differences between Zagara's hydra and muta talents? I've been mainly double-speccing hydras as hunter killers are ridiculous burst, but someone mentioned mutas put out more damage (ran it through the test mode).
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