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ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
November 11 2014 08:50 GMT
#3961
On November 11 2014 14:10 Tephus wrote:
Rejoining a game after a crash is awful. I had to wait 5 minutes for the game to catch up, after the loading.

The old engine really showing itself...

I read a reddit thread speculating that it's based on SC2's "resume from replay." I feel your pain. Tonight I had my first crash in a 25 minute game and I hopped back on only to have to wait for the game to catch up 20+ mins. Needless to say, I resumed into a game over screen. Hopefully they are prioritizing that, I can't imagine to flak Blizzard would receive should someone crash in a competitive match.

That issue aside, I'm enjoying it more now that I've had more games under my belt. I think Dota/LoL has more dynamic heroes, but the core mechanics of HotS is just so much more enjoyable. Learning to avoid the really boring/terrible heroes like Lili certainly helps.
MrProb
Profile Joined January 2011
Thailand794 Posts
November 11 2014 11:35 GMT
#3962
On November 11 2014 17:27 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 17:19 MrProb wrote:
On November 11 2014 15:14 kuresuti wrote:
This might sound stupid... but how do I know if I'm invited? I happened to log in to my battle.net account today and it listed HotS there among the games. I wondered why and clicked it and it said "Account Status: Technical Alpha". I launched the Bnet app and installed the game, but it says I'm not invited on the play button.

I can't remember having the HotS entry before so a bit confused atm

EDIT: Actually nevermind, it works now


I think it's been an open beta for quite a while


?? Why do you say that? It's just been at blizzcon announced that closed beta will start in january....


I must have been mistaken that then. My bad
rave[wcr] wrote: wtf how can erik understand kelly, its like han solo and chewabacca overthere.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
November 11 2014 15:22 GMT
#3963
Zeratul is really fun :D. He can wreck people so fast, feels like dota again.
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[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 17:32:48
November 11 2014 17:32 GMT
#3964
So in an interview Dustin said they are going to Nerf nova pretty badly so if anyone is going to buy her (probably not, it seems like everyone already has her) don't do it until they change her and see how she goes.

Now, he also implied that they are going to Nerf the heroes that are an "always pick" like tassadar, thycus and sadly arthas which I was planing to buy... So I think I'll just wait.

That resume from replay and reconnect thing.. I haven't had a problem with it, when I disconnect it reconnects me in a minute or two, not that much. But let's remember that when they announced the feature they say it was a very early build of it just so it exist and that it is in no way final.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 17:37:51
November 11 2014 17:37 GMT
#3965
Nova is the dumbest hero in the game, so I hope that they nerf her into the ground. As much as it pains me to say it, Tassadar needs a nerf, too. He's too good at everything.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 11 2014 17:43 GMT
#3966
I'd prefer they nerf the super powerful heroes. If they buffed everyone to their level team fights would be such a giant clusterfuck and over in half a second. And, honestly, seeing the same dozen or so heroes every competitive match makes for a boring game.
Wat
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
November 11 2014 18:35 GMT
#3967
meh i dont even mind nova anymore, abathur is cancer though
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
November 11 2014 18:38 GMT
#3968
Nerf and buff whoever you feel, just don't nerf the interesting or strong parts of a hero, or else they will all become boring and bland: see LoL.

If I were in charge, I would nerf Arthas damage, not the slows or heals, and nerf something like novas hp(even more) or movespeed or something.
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Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
November 11 2014 18:40 GMT
#3969
I think so far Blizz has been leaning towards the smaller nerfs on just the op side of a hero.

I imagine they will remove envenom from Arthas, it's really the silliest part of the kit. Maybe tone down army of the dead by a ghoul or something.

No idea what they can do with Tychus tbh. Every part of that kit is op as shit.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
November 11 2014 18:42 GMT
#3970
Even without envenom, Arthas is really strong. I think the bigger issue with him is the lack of available counterpicks. There need to be some heroes and talents that can shut down heavy healers.
SixStrings
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Germany2046 Posts
November 11 2014 18:44 GMT
#3971
I would cry tears of joy if they made an RPG with that diverse a lineup of heroes. I'd probably be glued to the computer for months.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 11 2014 19:36 GMT
#3972
On November 12 2014 03:40 Diamond wrote:
No idea what they can do with Tychus tbh. Every part of that kit is op as shit.


Make it so Odin works more like Avatar / Meta instead of just granting a free life bar. Right now Tychus can go pretty yolo around the map knowing if he's out of position just pop Odin.
Wat
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 11 2014 19:38 GMT
#3973
On November 12 2014 03:42 xDaunt wrote:
Even without envenom, Arthas is really strong. I think the bigger issue with him is the lack of available counterpicks. There need to be some heroes and talents that can shut down heavy healers.


I think nerfing Arthas by removal of Envenom and possibly lowering the tick damage of his E would be a good first step. Right now you can somewhat counter Arthas by taking Brightwing since it will remove his E stacking.
Wat
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 20:10:47
November 11 2014 20:08 GMT
#3974
On November 12 2014 04:36 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 03:40 Diamond wrote:
No idea what they can do with Tychus tbh. Every part of that kit is op as shit.


Make it so Odin works more like Avatar / Meta instead of just granting a free life bar. Right now Tychus can go pretty yolo around the map knowing if he's out of position just pop Odin.


That and reduce the base damage on grenade and force him to talent into current damage. It hurts his waveclear and damage in a way that keeps the "fun" of knocking your enemies back.

Nerfing Nova is easy, remove Overdrive, cut a bit of damage off Snipe, and make Illusions not deal any damage.

As far as Arthas goes, you need to hit the damage on his passive. His real problem isn't that he does great sustained damage, that should be his strength, it's that he can also do huge burst on squishy targets through Frostmourne Hungers talents + Envenom. Removal of Envenom and a nerf to his passive make him a low burst but high sustained damage threat which is exactly where he needs to be.

Oh and for the record: thanks for all the friend adds, but my apartment internet has been down for almost a week now so I really can't play effectively
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 20:15:56
November 11 2014 20:14 GMT
#3975
I think Blizzard should consider evaluating early game hero kill XP compared to creep XP. A few people I know who don't know Heroes had a complaint that it seemed like ratting and team fight avoidance was too strong pre-10. They highlighted the Fnatic vs Snowflake matches where Fnatic was picking up kills but were sacrificing a lane of XP to do it. And that put them behind. I can't say I disagree. Pre-10 kills feel almost worthless and barely worth my time. Assuming you didn't get a free zero damage gank it takes longer to walk back behind a gate, B, regen hp/mana and get back to the lane than it takes to just die and get back to the lane with the early game rez timers.
Wat
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 11 2014 20:24 GMT
#3976
On November 12 2014 03:42 xDaunt wrote:
Even without envenom, Arthas is really strong. I think the bigger issue with him is the lack of available counterpicks. There need to be some heroes and talents that can shut down heavy healers.

Can't you just AoE down the ghouls with heroes good at this, to reduce the amount of healing he can do?
I'm a scrub but playing Sonya and skilling Whirlwind let me kill the ghouls pretty fast with a well-placed whirlwind, and I don't remember having an issue with Arthas healing too much in these games, couldn't Tassadar or some other AoE guy do that better?
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-11 20:31:05
November 11 2014 20:30 GMT
#3977
On November 12 2014 05:14 Tenks wrote:
I think Blizzard should consider evaluating early game hero kill XP compared to creep XP. A few people I know who don't know Heroes had a complaint that it seemed like ratting and team fight avoidance was too strong pre-10. They highlighted the Fnatic vs Snowflake matches where Fnatic was picking up kills but were sacrificing a lane of XP to do it. And that put them behind. I can't say I disagree. Pre-10 kills feel almost worthless and barely worth my time. Assuming you didn't get a free zero damage gank it takes longer to walk back behind a gate, B, regen hp/mana and get back to the lane than it takes to just die and get back to the lane with the early game rez timers.


Well I don't think ganking/laning is the focus. You can make up for lost lane XP with objectives, and it's fairly easy to 2 man a giant camp then shove a lane with it and get the fort sacrificing some lane XP and maybe one of your walls. You're then on a level XP playing field.

That said, I wouldn't necessarily mind it, but it does cause a bit more snowball than is currently in the game.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
November 11 2014 21:05 GMT
#3978
It just feels kind of silly when I'm on Brightwing solo lane and I see someone getting caught 2v1 and I know I could help him and probably save him but I choose to ignore the death because it is more advantageous for me to stay in the lane and let him die, especially assuming his death doesn't mean an open lane.
Wat
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
November 11 2014 21:21 GMT
#3979
I like the current system, it's an incentive to cover all lanes while mid/late game has plenty of 5v5 fights which aren't the best IMHO (both from spectator and player point of view).

LaughingTulkas
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1107 Posts
November 11 2014 21:26 GMT
#3980
On November 12 2014 04:36 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2014 03:40 Diamond wrote:
No idea what they can do with Tychus tbh. Every part of that kit is op as shit.


Make it so Odin works more like Avatar / Meta instead of just granting a free life bar. Right now Tychus can go pretty yolo around the map knowing if he's out of position just pop Odin.


That or nerf Odin's movespeed even more so that you can do that, but you aren't really getting away afterwards.
"I love noobies, they're so happy." -Chill
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