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kongoline
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 11 2014 01:19 kongoline wrote: getting heroes i hate playing to lvl5 for 500g is a torture zzzzzzzz Yeah, especially if you're playing one of the shittier heroes that you can't really carry a team with. I went 1-8 getting Illidan to level 5, which basically destroyed my desire to grind every hero for the time being. Also, I'm sitting on 20k gold. There just aren't any heroes that really interest me. I have Zeratul, Tassadar, Tyrael, Raynor, Valla, Muradin, and Furion. The one hero that I'm tempted to get is Arthas so that I have a better option at tank. Otherwise, I'm uninspired. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 11 2014 02:29 Tenks wrote: Arthas and Anub are two tanks which can have carry-level impact on the game. Although the hero I play which I feel I have the most direct impact on the game is by far Brightwing. If someone gets caught out of position I can just Z onto them and either kill the person ganking or allow them to escape. Yeah, I definitely agree that Arthas can carry, which is why I'm interested in buying him. I haven't played Anub, but from what I've seen, he can carry as well. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
On November 11 2014 04:01 Tenks wrote: I honestly feel I can carry on a warrior or support more than I can most ranged assassins. As odd as that is since it goes against all MOBA-isms. Only ranged assassin I feel I can truly carry on is Tychus because he can't get exploded instantly with stoneskin and odin. It might go against LoL and LoL clones.. but its definitely not something crazy for all mobas... | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
So far I enjoy it. The faster pace compared to the other MOBAs I've tried is fun, and I like how quickly games go. I also like that each Map is different and the various objectives force you to switch up your approach a bit. So far I've played a few different heroes, but liked Arthas the best by far. I've found that with the right talent choices I feel more or less unkillable, and the tankiness+aoe makes pushing feel pretty straightforward. As a total noob, I still feel like I can have positive impact on the game with Arthas (whereas when I tried some other heroes--looking at you, Tassadar--I felt like I wasn't even good enough to help my team much at all). Any tips/pointers/helpful guides for a player just starting out? Any suggestions for other heroes to focus on? | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On November 11 2014 01:36 xDaunt wrote: Yeah, especially if you're playing one of the shittier heroes that you can't really carry a team with. I went 1-8 getting Illidan to level 5, which basically destroyed my desire to grind every hero for the time being. Also, I'm sitting on 20k gold. There just aren't any heroes that really interest me. I have Zeratul, Tassadar, Tyrael, Raynor, Valla, Muradin, and Furion. The one hero that I'm tempted to get is Arthas so that I have a better option at tank. Otherwise, I'm uninspired. Illidan isn't a shitty hero, got my Illidan to level 9 soon level 10 and I'm holding a 67% win ratio with him in solo q. Depends on how you play him, lots of people are under the illusion that he's some initiator and then suicide in and get blown up. (Diamond League mmr games) I'm a hunt player rather than a metamorph depends on your team role, I can see first aid stoneskin and the shield first skill along with metamorphosis making him more able to initiate and stay in the fight. Still I prefer to push lanes hard and then hunt in on their dps or healer hero when a fight comes along. | ||
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Tenks
United States3104 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 11 2014 04:38 Ovid wrote: Illidan isn't a shitty hero, got my Illidan to level 9 soon level 10 and I'm holding a 67% win ratio with him in solo q. Depends on how you play him, lots of people are under the illusion that he's some initiator and then suicide in and get blown up. (Diamond League mmr games) I'm a hunt player rather than a metamorph depends on your team role, I can see first aid stoneskin and the shield first skill along with metamorphosis making him more able to initiate and stay in the fight. Still I prefer to push lanes hard and then hunt in on their dps or healer hero when a fight comes along. I played Illidan as a hunt hero, too. Nonetheless, here's my beef with Illidan: I have a hard time discerning what he's actually good at when compared to the other options that are out there. If I want to play an assassin, I'd be better off with Zeratul or one of the ranged assassins. If I want to play a more robust style where I can initiate and then hang around in teamfights, Tyrael is a much better option. If you want to split push and then have a real presence in teamfights, pick Abathur. I'm not even sure that Illidan is a particularly good dueler when compared to some of the other options out there. He just straight up gets buttfucked by a lot of other champs, which is counterintuitive when you think about what he should be. If you're having success with Illidan, great. I just don't see him as being particularly good. | ||
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FHDH
United States7023 Posts
On November 11 2014 04:18 Tephus wrote: It might go against LoL and LoL clones.. but its definitely not something crazy for all mobas... Yeah melee carries are pretty common in Dota. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 11 2014 04:43 Tenks wrote: You'll see Zeratuls play like second-rate Illidans as well all the time. Personally I think Zeratul is too squishy to even really justify taking Shadow Assault over the massive utility of Prison. I've been running a Zeratul build that takes Regen at 1, First Aid at 7. The major downside of the build is you hit like a wet noodle until you can get double bombs at 16. Once you get that you can really start to pick people off especially if you have max stacks of Gathering Power. Since Zeratul, I feel, is all about hitting your combo then just leaving Regen Master makes his lasting power very, very good. Zeratul is all about timing. You have to understand that you have about 3-5 seconds to attack and kill a hero before you blink out of combat (and as a general rule, you should almost never use blink to initiate). And yes, always take void prism. It gives Zeratul a real presence during teamfights that he otherwise lacks. | ||
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Ovid
United Kingdom948 Posts
On November 11 2014 05:17 xDaunt wrote: I played Illidan as a hunt hero, too. Nonetheless, here's my beef with Illidan: I have a hard time discerning what he's actually good at when compared to the other options that are out there. If I want to play an assassin, I'd be better off with Zeratul or one of the ranged assassins. If I want to play a more robust style where I can initiate and then hang around in teamfights, Tyrael is a much better option. If you want to split push and then have a real presence in teamfights, pick Abathur. I'm not even sure that Illidan is a particularly good dueler when compared to some of the other options out there. He just straight up gets buttfucked by a lot of other champs, which is counterintuitive when you think about what he should be. If you're having success with Illidan, great. I just don't see him as being particularly good. I agree, he's a bit of a jack of all trades master of none. I've had most wins when I've been going for a split pushing style and picking off lone heroes. At 16, I go for double sweeping strike talent because it's the best escape mechanism he has, I'm slowly looking at different changes to my build though. I've played him with the Seasoned Marksmen first talent and using his mobility and pushing power (after you get immolation talent) to push one lane rotate to the next and pick up the exp from both. I've found Illidan to be very strong on Blackheart bay because of the super short distance between the top lanes you can soak exp from both allowing your team to be greedy with the merc camps/roaming. I find solo laning with him to be an awful experience he needs a strong partner in lane, I think if I have to solo lane with him again I might try to go for regen master allowing me to stay in lane longer. But I feel that losing 30+ damage per attack by 15mins or so to be quite a loss (since Illidan attacks so fast) With a good team comp I think Illidan is not only viable but very strong. I think to make Illidan super viable would be to add a 0.2 second spell immunity on his e so he can initiate slightly better and have a way to dodge spells without having to use his w, if they implemented that I could see myself potentially not going for double w on 16 and going for one of the more obviously good talents (Blood for Blood, Stoneskin and Executioner in the right team comp) The other potential fix I would suggest is to separate Executioner and Blood for blood talent since those two in tandem would be very strong. Anyway until I have level 10 Illidan and 100+games I won't be making any long explanation posts on how to make Illidan more viable. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
He is a good assassin that is awesome at chasing any hero without a decent escape. His true power is his jungling though I think, with his trait, decent dps, the fact you can't waste mana on him and his heal you can jungle really well. Evasion buffed with the shield talent plus immolation at 4 and first aid at 7 let's him solo knights quite comfortably. As for fights he is pretty good to attack their ranged assassin, like sonya or kerrigan that dive in you need some sort of sustain from your team though often. With metamorphosis and buffed evasion plus blood for blood you can actually survive a fair bit though. Maps that force splitting up more are better for him though, I like him on garden, haunted mines and blackheart bay because the skull/flower/coin collecting usually means a bit of split creeping which he does really well by being super quick at it himself and being great if he caughts another hero alone at it. Metamorphosis adds a decent initiator for teamfights while preventing him from getting instagibbed but you still need your support to help you out, preferrably you end up chasing one of their squishy heroes that's fleeing though. That said melee assassin is the weakest class I think but illidan the best out of it. With the current teamfight focus of the game this type of hero doesn't really shine I think but illidan's best talents make him a bit tankier anyway I think which help him become a squishier but high dps warrior like tyrael/sonya. | ||
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sushiko
197 Posts
Reminds me of Chen taking control of roshan bug | ||
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Tephus
Cascadia1754 Posts
The old engine really showing itself... | ||
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
new to this, played dota/lol since dota 2.6 on RoC though. really wish we could veto a map/type in our playlist. ugh i hate capture the coins, never get a team that wants to actually move as a group | ||
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kuresuti
1393 Posts
I can't remember having the HotS entry before so a bit confused atm EDIT: Actually nevermind, it works now  | ||
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MrProb
Thailand794 Posts
On November 11 2014 15:14 kuresuti wrote: This might sound stupid... but how do I know if I'm invited? I happened to log in to my battle.net account today and it listed HotS there among the games. I wondered why and clicked it and it said "Account Status: Technical Alpha". I launched the Bnet app and installed the game, but it says I'm not invited on the play button. I can't remember having the HotS entry before so a bit confused atm EDIT: Actually nevermind, it works now I think it's been an open beta for quite a while | ||
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KeksX
Germany3634 Posts
On November 11 2014 17:19 MrProb wrote: I think it's been an open beta for quite a while ?? Why do you say that? It's just been at blizzcon announced that closed beta will start in january.... | ||
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