EPTAll for this rationale as long as the objective-based gameplay and different map layouts compensates for taking a bunch of things out that are seen as MOBA staples.
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24428 Posts
All for this rationale as long as the objective-based gameplay and different map layouts compensates for taking a bunch of things out that are seen as MOBA staples. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On July 29 2014 14:10 ak1knight wrote: The Dota 2 tutorial that it has you go through has a whole laning section where it teaches you solely to last hit and deny. There are mechanics in ANY game where if you don't do research you aren't going to understand/notice, and quite frankly denying minions in dota isn't THAT huge (denying towers/heros can be, but at a low level even that isn't super impactful on the game). To me, you need some sort of snowball mechanic in MOBAs, or else the first 20 minutes before death timers start getting long is completely pointless. Does it necessarily HAVE to be last hitting? No, but there needs to be something. Not really, the snowball mechanic in HotS is basically just map control, which you can lose at any time if you take a bad fight and get team-wiped. In a game of DotA or LoL, if you get far enough behind in the midgame, you can't turn it around with one big fight until 60+ mintues in, which is why DotA games in particular often last so fucking long if they don't end in 25 minutes. | ||
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Footler
United States560 Posts
On July 29 2014 14:24 GTPGlitch wrote: I don't understand how you don't think of lasthitting as another opportunity to outplay your opponent. If it was just about the gold, sure it would be boring, but it's not. It's about being able to CS while maintaining advantageous positioning, and outtrading your opponent in harass, and having the ability to scare them out of range with allin potential or keeping yourself from getting caught out in an allin while maintaining harass and CS. Without last-hitting, the laning phase is much more arbitrary, especially with global exp - instead of having a disparity in income and thus items, as long as you stand within X units of a unit when it dies you get the same value as someone who killed it does, with the only disadvantage coming from wave pushing. It's not that it's not another opportunity to outplay your opponent but that he (and myself as well) would rather outplay our opponent in another manner that I consider vastly more interesting/fun/skillful, this is what HotS is aiming to do but could still use some work imo. It's like his limited RTS unit selection example. Sure it takes more skill to give commands to those control groups but frankly I'd prefer to spend that time/energy on using abilities or microing. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1128 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On August 01 2014 02:41 LightSpectra wrote: I just wanted a MOBA that I could play for 20 minutes at a time without getting hardcore BM'd because I haven't memorized every single little skill, trick, and item in the game. Can HotS still be that? ? no its team based ur gonna get flamed unless you are queuing with friends. | ||
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Lokian
United States699 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 01 2014 02:57 Lokian wrote: wont you get reported for harassing/flamming though? DotA and LoL have reporting for these behaviors and it still happens. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:21 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: DotA and LoL have reporting for these behaviors and it still happens. Been playing HoTS for a couple months, level 25, never seen aggressive flaming once so far. I think it's very successul in that regard. Now if we could somehow rollback the last patch it would go back to almost perfect. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:35 LaughingTulkas wrote: Been playing HoTS for a couple months, level 25, never seen aggressive flaming once so far. I think it's very successul in that regard. Now if we could somehow rollback the last patch it would go back to almost perfect. I'm level 4 or something since I don't really play, but I've had people flaming in co op AI games. I don't know how you've never seen it. | ||
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LaughingTulkas
United States1107 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:53 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: I'm level 4 or something since I don't really play, but I've had people flaming in co op AI games. I don't know how you've never seen it. Maybe cuz I don't play co-op AI games*? I dunno, maybe matchmaking? Everyone I've played with is super cool or they don't talk at all. *edit: seems like if you do poorly against the very weak AI, people might be more apt to be mad. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:54 LaughingTulkas wrote: Maybe cuz I don't play co-op AI games*? I dunno, maybe matchmaking? Everyone I've played with is super cool or they don't talk at all. *edit: seems like if you do poorly against the very weak AI, people might be more apt to be mad. It is pretty amusing when people run straight up to the tower even though they were told not to. | ||
Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On August 01 2014 04:04 Valiver wrote: I've seen a bit of flaming in HotS, but not anywhere near on the level of league. No cross team chat is the reason for that. When I turn off cross team chat I get so little trash talking in LoL too. | ||
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Valiver
Caldeum1977 Posts
On August 01 2014 09:38 FinestHour wrote: do stats in the alpha get carried over to when the game is released I don't think there is any definitive answer to this yet since the release date is probably still far off, but my guess would be no. | ||
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ak1knight
United States313 Posts
On August 01 2014 03:35 LaughingTulkas wrote: Been playing HoTS for a couple months, level 25, never seen aggressive flaming once so far. I think it's very successul in that regard. Now if we could somehow rollback the last patch it would go back to almost perfect. Part of the reason is because it's still in invite-only tech alpha. Once they open the flood gates there will be more flaming, just like literally every game with tons of people playing. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 01 2014 22:12 willoc wrote: Plenty of flaming already. The toxic trash from other MOBAs is here as well and we are dealing with Battle.net. Scum since day 1 Its like any other game involving people. No game is magic and can remove the risk of any 12-14 year olds from the internet. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5412 Posts
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