Heroes Large General Thread - Page 104

On July 29 2014 04:41 arb wrote:

That's one of the reasons I don't think i'd like this game.

No point in even messing with the creeps, since youre not gonna buy items since they dont exist, and last hitting has no meaning so its just kinda like, why even bother?

I enjoy the fighting and such in mobas, but i really really enjoy farming and my cs having some kind of meaning other than just, theres no point in doing this but im gonna just kill creeps for no reason

On July 29 2014 04:58 Valiver wrote:
Can we all please stop using "arbitrary mechanic" and "counter-intuitive"? The entire game is arbitrary, it's a fantasy game where you watch hundreds of guys charge into each other relentlessly trying to kill some glowing building behind some walls. If you don't think something should be the way it is say why and explain yourself. Questioning why it exists in the first place or how it makes sense in terms of the real world doesn't help the discussion at all.

On July 29 2014 04:58 Valiver wrote:
Can we all please stop using "arbitrary mechanic" and "counter-intuitive"? The entire game is arbitrary, it's a fantasy game where you watch hundreds of guys charge into each other relentlessly trying to kill some glowing building behind some walls. If you don't think something should be the way it is say why and explain yourself. Questioning why it exists in the first place or how it makes sense in terms of the real world doesn't help the discussion at all.

On July 29 2014 05:18 Yoav wrote:


Here's the line: when you explain what you're watching/doing to your non-gamer friends, do they say "okay" or "the fuck?" It's hard to explain last-hitting/denying without having to apologize for it. People have a easy time with the idea of constant fighting and endless respawning. Even area based XP doesn't require that kind of apology: "You get experienced the more you're near fighting, and getting experienced makes you stronger."

On July 29 2014 05:18 Yoav wrote:


Here's the line: when you explain what you're watching/doing to your non-gamer friends, do they say "okay" or "the fuck?" It's hard to explain last-hitting/denying without having to apologize for it. People have a easy time with the idea of constant fighting and endless respawning. Even area based XP doesn't require that kind of apology: "You get experienced the more you're near fighting, and getting experienced makes you stronger."

On July 29 2014 05:18 Yoav wrote:


Here's the line: when you explain what you're watching/doing to your non-gamer friends, do they say "okay" or "the fuck?" It's hard to explain last-hitting/denying without having to apologize for it. People have a easy time with the idea of constant fighting and endless respawning. Even area based XP doesn't require that kind of apology: "You get experienced the more you're near fighting, and getting experienced makes you stronger."

On July 29 2014 05:38 Wombat_NI wrote:

It's really not that complicated a mechanic to explain, at all.

On July 29 2014 06:38 Velr wrote:



Scoring the killing blow gives you gold.
Denieing an enemy creep takes away experience and possible Gold form your opponent.



Yeah, thats a really hard concept, luckily all my friends are rocket scientists and could understand it....

On July 29 2014 10:58 deth2munkies wrote:
The reason why denies are unpopular is that you're killing your own units, and nothing in the game tells you that doing so is a good idea, someone else has to. A new player will learn quite quick that in DotA, when they get the last hit, they get gold, because they're bound to do it eventually (even if accidentally), but they'll never kill their own units until told to do so.

On July 29 2014 11:39 Anakko wrote:


Not that hard to pick up on a mechanic like the creep deny. If you see your opponent do it, you're gonna figure out what's happening pretty quickly.

On July 29 2014 10:57 Thalandros wrote:
So I just got the game July 17th while I was on holiday added to my account, and I played the tutorial + 1 vs AI match with Brightwing. I picked him because it said ''Hard'' and wanted to know what it feels like but the AI are tuned veeery easily. I've played a bit of Dota and LoL on the side and I understand most mechanics so it's not going to be very hard learning the game for me. What heroes do you guys suggest I should try out in coop/versus soon enough, or what heroes should I buy and try out (with gold, not actual money) Any heroes that stand out or represent a specific role really well? I want to get a quick good feel of the game

On July 29 2014 12:06 Footler wrote:


Nova for assassin, Lili for support, Stitches for tank, Sgt. Hammer for specialist. I feel like those represent each role pretty well. If you want something completely different try Abathur.

On July 29 2014 06:57 Yoav wrote:It is easy to understand, and to explain. So would a mechanic that required you to do that proverbial arithmetic problem. But you would have to apologize or shrug your shoulders every time you explained it to a non-gamer. Because it kinda feels like bullshit.

On July 29 2014 12:55 miicah wrote:


I have explained last hitting to my girlfriend (a very much non-gamer) and I pretty much just said "you kill these guys to get gold." I don't really understand where you are coming from when you try to make out it's a super complicated or bullshit mechanic.

On July 29 2014 12:03 deth2munkies wrote:


1) Probably not, you overestimate the average player.

2) Even if you do, you have no idea why or what it does because it doesn't tell you. Gold pops up when you kill a minion, but all you get is a "!" and even then that's only in DotA 2. If it said "-XP" when you killed your own minion that might help, even then, it's a stupid mechanic that just reinforces snowball lanes.

On July 29 2014 13:39 saddaromma wrote:

I am not totally against last-hitting, but I also find it a dumb.

Its like maximum unit selection cap or no rally points in old RTS games. You had to manage everything manually, and some call it "skill", whereas I call it limitation. Lets not forget the main goal of the game is to beat your opponent and not game limitations (imperfections, artificial difficulty enhancers, obstructions or whatever). For example, not long ago Riot introduced timers for major monsters, dragon and baron, so that players do not need to keep track of them manually. There was also uproar of some gamers who also thought it was part of "skill" and riot just ruined the game. But again, as I said its about outplaying your opponent, not the game limitations.

All in all I call lasthitting bullshit, since I think games would be far better without them.