On March 25 2016 03:43 smr wrote: We all know why N'zoth is here... to keep Dreadsteed alive in standard : D
Damn, I gotta give it to you, that's a cool idea. Fill your board with Dreadsteeds, even if they got silenced or stolen. Sounds pretty good to me.
The one thing I'm not sure about. Let's think about this board state: 0 minions in play for us and 7 dreadsteeds already died this match. We play N'Zoth.
Now I think with Dr. Boom it's him being placed but the Bots trigger Knife Juggler first so technically they come into play first, no? Would that mean that in the above mentioned case we miss out on the 5/7 body and get 7 dreadsteeds. That again would be pretty bad as we cannot play another minion the whole match.
I'm confused why people aren't more freaked out by n'zoth. Like you just run him in a deck with sylvanus, tirion and cairne, and then he becomes a (with the exception of the mass hard removal) something close to an insta win.
On March 25 2016 03:43 smr wrote: We all know why N'zoth is here... to keep Dreadsteed alive in standard : D
Damn, I gotta give it to you, that's a cool idea. Fill your board with Dreadsteeds, even if they got silenced or stolen. Sounds pretty good to me.
The one thing I'm not sure about. Let's think about this board state: 0 minions in play for us and 7 dreadsteeds already died this match. We play N'Zoth.
Now I think with Dr. Boom it's him being placed but the Bots trigger Knife Juggler first so technically they come into play first, no? Would that mean that in the above mentioned case we miss out on the 5/7 body and get 7 dreadsteeds. That again would be pretty bad as we cannot play another minion the whole match.
I doubt that. Jaraxxus can't be played on a full board, because even though battlecries technically resolve before the minion enters play, the act of playing the minion creates a placeholder on the board for that minion, so it needs a spot. Furthermore, Onyxia only summons 6 Whelps on an empty board, because one spot is being held for Onyxia herself. I don't think it's possible for N'Zoth to cockblock himself like that.
On March 25 2016 02:27 itchiko wrote:Because of the synergy with Tyrion, Paladin is the most likely to find room for it, I would say.
Priest as well. Even if you run only sylvanas + 2 museum curators, which doesn't even constrain deckbuilding, N'Zoth can still get massive value and tempo when played. Its also resists BGH which is very good.
On March 25 2016 03:43 smr wrote: We all know why N'zoth is here... to keep Dreadsteed alive in standard : D
Damn, I gotta give it to you, that's a cool idea. Fill your board with Dreadsteeds, even if they got silenced or stolen. Sounds pretty good to me.
The one thing I'm not sure about. Let's think about this board state: 0 minions in play for us and 7 dreadsteeds already died this match. We play N'Zoth.
Now I think with Dr. Boom it's him being placed but the Bots trigger Knife Juggler first so technically they come into play first, no? Would that mean that in the above mentioned case we miss out on the 5/7 body and get 7 dreadsteeds. That again would be pretty bad as we cannot play another minion the whole match.
I doubt that. Jaraxxus can't be played on a full board, because even though battlecries technically resolve before the minion enters play, the act of playing the minion creates a placeholder on the board for that minion, so it needs a spot. Furthermore, Onyxia only summons 6 Whelps on an empty board, because one spot is being held for Onyxia herself. I don't think it's possible for N'Zoth to cockblock himself like that.
That makes sense. Didn't think of Onyxia who's probably the best example when it comes to the effect.
Is 5/7 really enough stats for an old God? C'thun is cool because his power cannot really be estimated if he's at full power no current card even contests him stats wise.
On March 25 2016 02:10 Seuss wrote: It's not a very good Turn 4 drop because most of the sub-4 mana cards worth copying from are leaving Standard (e.g. Deathlord, a popped Nerubian Egg, anything with Velen's Chosen cast on it).
It's also arguably a worse drop later than cards like Defender of Argus or Faceless Manipulator. If you really just want something with a lot of stats the latter is better, and if you want a big beefy taunt Argus provides up to 2 while being less awful if you have the board presence to drop it Turn 4.
Pretty much the only time Faceless Shambler is good is in a warlock deck where you can Power Overwhelming something and then play this, since it will copy the stats and not the buff.
The important part is looking at the released cards, the idea for how this could be good is already there. You use it on cards that either have a drawback for cheap mana (Coin + Eerie Statue curves nicely into this, but then you have a Statue doing nothing behind a taunt, but like I said the idea already exists). The idea to copy stats from temporary buffs is also already around with the original Faceless Manipulator and Void Terror so it's not hard to imagine new cards making this usable.
You're explaining ideas that I already talked about in the very post you quoted.
Coin + Eerie -> Shambler falls under "if you want a big beefy taunt" (i.e. Argus is better). Similarly, the conclusion of my post pointed out the possibility of copying stats, of which the only instance that stands out is PO + Existing Minion -> Shambler on Turn 5, (which, by itself, isn't enough of a raison d'être for the card).
I know, I'm saying what you said. My point wasn't to look at it like it'll never work because these examples are either Wild-only or just crappy, but the important fact is there are already plenty of examples where it *could* work. So with a brand new set coming it's not like Blizzard has to come up with drastically different cards to make this viable.
I'm just being an optimist since the potential already seems primed unlike other cards that did wacky things and got no support to make a deck with.
On March 25 2016 03:43 smr wrote: We all know why N'zoth is here... to keep Dreadsteed alive in standard : D
Damn, I gotta give it to you, that's a cool idea. Fill your board with Dreadsteeds, even if they got silenced or stolen. Sounds pretty good to me.
The one thing I'm not sure about. Let's think about this board state: 0 minions in play for us and 7 dreadsteeds already died this match. We play N'Zoth.
Now I think with Dr. Boom it's him being placed but the Bots trigger Knife Juggler first so technically they come into play first, no? Would that mean that in the above mentioned case we miss out on the 5/7 body and get 7 dreadsteeds. That again would be pretty bad as we cannot play another minion the whole match.
I doubt that. Jaraxxus can't be played on a full board, because even though battlecries technically resolve before the minion enters play, the act of playing the minion creates a placeholder on the board for that minion, so it needs a spot. Furthermore, Onyxia only summons 6 Whelps on an empty board, because one spot is being held for Onyxia herself. I don't think it's possible for N'Zoth to cockblock himself like that.
That makes sense. Didn't think of Onyxia who's probably the best example when it comes to the effect.
You guys are overcomplicating it. The reason Onyxia makes 6 whelps is because she gets played first =) (vid has quite a few exmples of this, but AFAIK Jaraxxus has a few special cases, so don't try testing with him lol).
On March 25 2016 04:09 Real_Joy wrote: I'm confused why people aren't more freaked out by n'zoth. Like you just run him in a deck with sylvanus, tirion and cairne, and then he becomes a (with the exception of the mass hard removal) something close to an insta win.
You could even play that shitty deathrattle taunt they revealed the other day. If you have N'Zoth, all you need to do is play stuff and not die, then play N'Zoth and not die.
We'll see how it works out.
As an aside, the card isn't exactly a new reveal or anything, but I'm wondering how much Giant Sandworm (and of course the rotation to standard) will help out Ram Wrangler. Personally I always thought Ram Wrangler was really good, but there wasn't room for it in Hunter in the current meta, and with Loatheb and other good 5s filling what slots there were. Now I'm interested to see if there's another big beast, or even just a low number of small beasts that might make Ram Wrangler a significant chance to win upon being played.
Could it almost work like Elise in that you can focus your deck on the early game and then cross your fingers the new hero power and undercosted class cards will give you better late game value?
If it affects your deck and hand, I think it's a challenge to run as many Warlock cards in your deck as possible. In the long run you get the biggest advantage with more discounted cards. Aside from maybe a few key cards for a win condition, the rest would be passable class cards.
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