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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Assuming guilt because somebody had to make this kind of career ending choice out of nowhere Not out of nowhere but when she and her Canadian buddy were called out on their BS, and only after TempoStorm investigation was done. And she didn't announce her so called retirement, Tempo Storm did  Like I said, it was really nice of Reynad and TS to let her save her face liket this. | ||
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pannra
United States0 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Jek
Denmark2771 Posts
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Kronoss
Czech Republic0 Posts
 I really hoped for something more insane, like MagicAmy being actually 300kg guy living on fluffy kitten burgers or something like that... | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On February 20 2015 20:49 Whoranzone wrote: Jesus are people retarded it would be exactly the same situation for a guy. Hosty? | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
He got it worse than amy IMO. He made a statement arguing his innocence within hours of his accusation and was instantly canned anyways. The evidence against him was better but still. There was no investigation by his team. They just released him and said it was for something else. | ||
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litlnoobs
United States8 Posts
On February 20 2015 22:42 pannra wrote: Wow when they start bringing up Glen Beck you know the Liberals/Feminazis haven't a leg to stand on. MagicAmy was a public figure. Any public figure is guilty until proven innocent. Any public figure that is innocent will do what it takes to clear their name. Lee was given the chance to clear her name but decided against it. In the real world that means she's guilty. Not sure if serious... | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On February 20 2015 23:18 Orcasgt24 wrote: He got it worse than amy IMO. He made a statement arguing his innocence within hours of his accusation and was instantly canned anyways. The evidence against him was better but still. There was no investigation by his team. They just released him and said it was for something else. And nobody tried to imply that he got what he got because he was a male | ||
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pannra
United States0 Posts
Of course you're not sure. You don't live in the real world. Look at what happened to Cosby. Some chics claim he raped them like 50 years ago. No evidence at all. No police reports because not a single one of them pressed charges. Yet people still assume he's a rapist. This isn't a court of law. Public figures are guilty until proven innocent and it's on them to prove their innocence. MagicAmy had multiple chances and was just given another chance to prove her innocence. Yet she refuses, once again, to clear her name. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On February 20 2015 23:46 pannra wrote: Of course you're not sure. You don't live in the real world. Look at what happened to Cosby. Some chics claim he raped them like 50 years ago. No evidence at all. No police reports because not a single one of them pressed charges. Yet people still assume he's a rapist. This isn't a court of law. Public figures are guilty until proven innocent and it's on them to prove their innocence. MagicAmy had multiple chances and was just given another chance to prove her innocence. Yet she refuses, once again, to clear her name. I see. Of course a rapist like you would say that, now prove to me you are not a rapist. People like you who prosecute people for their own entertainment without evidence are worthless. MagicAmy was investigated and cleared. If you desperatly want to keep on believing she was guilty because she didn't provide you with conclusive evidence, which lets face it would never have changed your mind no mather how good they were, that only reflects poorly on you and the community you represent. This is why I could never get properly in to Hearthstone, the community is just screaming children mindlessly repeating internet memes. Keep pushing away the good people and you can swim around in your own cesspool with the other worthless idiots. | ||
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SunaSunaSuna
Netherlands0 Posts
On February 20 2015 23:46 pannra wrote: Of course you're not sure. You don't live in the real world. Look at what happened to Cosby. Some chics claim he raped them like 50 years ago. No evidence at all. No police reports because not a single one of them pressed charges. Yet people still assume he's a rapist. This isn't a court of law. Public figures are guilty until proven innocent and it's on them to prove their innocence. MagicAmy had multiple chances and was just given another chance to prove her innocence. Yet she refuses, once again, to clear her name. Can you please not be dismisive of rape cases and compare them to this? this is a ludicrous obnoxious ignorant remark because of the simple fact that you have ABSOLUTELY no clue how hard (read: impossible ) it practically is to prove rape in any case without physical evidence especially with rape cases happened that long time ago. And the reason they didnt press charges is because it happened way too long ago most of them have had a settlement. " Yet people still assume he's a rapist. Yes because if you cant prove and if you've paid your way out of it, obviously you cannot be a rapist right ? As for Magicamy, I love how gullible most of the people you are. There are plenty of cases where she tried to leech money off of people asking Jab, Celest, Sjow and god know what other progamer she lunged at. you have former collegues say about her how she operated so even if its at best an attack on her character it kind of tells plenty about her MO. Tempostorm has no message to all these personal affairs of hers and of course they will not comment or even judge her for it as they had a professional working relationship and this didnt concern them but her play. And they even tried to back her up but she didnt take it. If the shoe fits.. | ||
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TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
She realized that no matter what she did she would be continuously treated as a fraud; even if she went to that tournament and won people would have said she was on vocal or something. Even if I had the necessary skill and dedication I would never try to be a progamer with such a disgusting community. Totally understand the way she stepped out, when people throw shit at you you don't have to throw it back, you can and should just get the hell away from those pricks. | ||
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vRadiatioNv
United States139 Posts
She wasn't cleared. You guys need to learn how to read PR. This is what it says: Tempo Storm can prove that "Hyerim Lee" is a real person (this was never in dispute). Tempo Storm CANNOT prove that: 1. She didn't scam people (in fact they admit she probably did but want to overlook it as 'personal issues'). 2. She has been playing for herself (they admit they can't prove she has never botted either). A lot of what was said in the article demonstrates a lack of understanding. For example, they say that the fact that she wasn't banned in Blizzards bot banning waves supports that she is not a botter. Sure, but let's not pretend that Blizzard is perfect and catches and bans every botter. Also they question what Amy's "endgame" plan for this con scheme would have been by saying "she would have had to show up at a tournament eventually." The whole point of this type of con is to make as much money as possible before you get found out and I'm pretty sure she could have coasted on excuses for a LONG time (heck, she did with all the other people she took money from). The fact that TS gave her the opportunity to stay and participate in a live event and she turned them down is pretty damning. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
I'm not implying he is from Canada, but who knows... In any case I wish the matter could be discussed in a civilized way, without calling people rapists, scum, disgusting and so on. But it seems it's hardly possible, since the people who are most vocal against online harassment are the ones doing it most often. | ||
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ref4
2933 Posts
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Specialist
United States803 Posts
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darkcoug
United States0 Posts
And the evidence is not just 1 or 2 things or a couple of jaded people. There's a line of people out the door with testimonies against her and hard screenshots legitimately tying her account to things like botting and other users. T/S did the right thing. They basically said "the evidence is concerning, but there is nothing that 100% proves anything". They gave her an opportunity to clear her name from the mountain of evidence (on T/S's dime no less) by doing something that everyone on the team is required to do anyway (they are not asking her to do something special). Unfortunately, she continues to act like a serial scammer. They are wise to cut ties with that before the controversy drags deeper. My guess is that the people playing MagicAmy's account are primarily the combination of many members of TeamMagicAmy. | ||
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vRadiatioNv
United States139 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:08 TheRealArtemis wrote: The whole TS report seems like a load of PC BS. It doesnt seem right that they cant find anything when so many people have come forward with claims about her. The report admits they cannot disprove basically any of the claims. On February 21 2015 01:09 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: She realized that no matter what she did she would be continuously treated as a fraud; even if she went to that tournament and won people would have said she was on vocal or something. This is a poor argument and I'll show you why by looking at it in the simplest form. 2 possibilities: A. You are a bad HS player and have been having other people play for you. B. You are a very good HS player and have been playing for yourself. If A. then in this situation you are left with 1 option: 1. You back out. You can't afford to show up to a tournament because then it will be obvious. The jig is up, this is your only option. If B then: 1. You back out. You claim you are sensitive and find the situation too stressful. Your reputation remains tarnished. 2. You boost your credibility by showing up at a tournament and don't make any obviously stupid mistakes. You are assuming B1 but if you are in fact a good HS player who in their right mind doesn't choose option 2? B1 is possible but A1 or B2 are far more likely. B2 is so easy if you are as good as "magicamy" is. Sure there will always be doubters but even if she attended a single tournament and didn't play like an idiot I would be likely to side with her. However, she went with option 1 so I have to use the more likely scenario. | ||
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ddayzy
259 Posts
On February 21 2015 01:14 vRadiatioNv wrote: She wasn't cleared. You guys need to learn how to read PR. This is what it says: Tempo Storm can prove that "Hyerim Lee" is a real person (this was never in dispute). Tempo Storm CANNOT prove that: 1. She didn't scam people (in fact they admit she probably did but want to overlook it as 'personal issues'). 2. She has been playing for herself (they admit they can't prove she has never botted either). A lot of what was said in the article demonstrates a lack of understanding. For example, they say that the fact that she wasn't banned in Blizzards bot banning waves supports that she is not a botter. Sure, but let's not pretend that Blizzard is perfect and catches and bans every botter. Also they question what Amy's "endgame" plan for this con scheme would have been by saying "she would have had to show up at a tournament eventually." The whole point of this type of con is to make as much money as possible before you get found out and I'm pretty sure she could have coasted on excuses for a LONG time (heck, she did with all the other people she took money from). The fact that TS gave her the opportunity to stay and participate in a live event and she turned them down is pretty damning. If you don't believe in a human right so basic as innocent until proven guilty we don't have a fundament to argue on. Your argument boils down to "She has not proven her innocence" which she has no obligation to do. I'm not arguing wheather or not she did any of the things she is accused of because we don't know, and that's the point. It's not about guilt, it's about hundreds of self rightious judge/jury/executioners comming out of the woodworks to join in a mob and go after someone which has not been proven guilty. The modern day pillroy. And after throwing shit at a peson who has not been proven guilty you demand they get out in front of you and jump through hoops until you are satisfied. You really think this is how a human being should be treated? | ||
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