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On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations publicly. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team
I love this logic. MagicAmy does....apparently nothing...but some people decide that she's not who she says she is because reasons, riling up the whole community and causing her team to treat her like a damn criminal. And she leaves the scene because, who the hell would want to deal with this shit? And it's HER fault? Really?
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On February 20 2015 20:35 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:16 Kabras wrote:On February 20 2015 20:00 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 19:54 Kabras wrote:
so she got a chance to settle things once and for all and chose the backdoor out.. well, this doesn't prove anything, including her innocence. it could be that she just doesn't care anymore and doesn't want to bother with clearing her HS name but... the way i see it is if she has nothing to hide she might as well have done this one tournament to shut everyone up and then left with a clear rep if that's what she really wanted. now i can't help but think the drama is true. If you think everyone would have shut up and let bygones be bygones just because she participated in this one tournament, you're delusional. it would have been something at least. and since there's no actual proof against her and she would've done that tourney there would have been very little reason for people to keep the drama going. ofc there's always gonna be the guy who stirs shit up just for the sake of it which nobody can ever shut up, but doing that tourney and showing solid play would have been enough for most people i think. Because people needed proof to begin with? Seriously dude what color is the sky on your planet? People don't need reasons to stir up drama. I mean look at you. They dug through employment records, travel records, everything they could find and found no evidence that MagicAmy isn't who she said she is. But because she opted out of the bullshit (which anyone with a passing acquaintance with reality knows she'd get), you're now more convinced than ever that she was a fraud.
opting out of the bullshit or dodging being exposed? which one is it? how do u know? the only thing that i am now convinced of is that ur a salty white knight who doesn't deserve anymore of my keyboard's lifetime. gl.
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Stop responding to them. They have this SJW narrative they will shout to the ends of the earth. They don't care about her scamming people or dodging questions. They only care about her being a woman and thus oppressed by the patriarchy.
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On February 20 2015 20:39 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:28 litlnoobs wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team ...She has no reason to "prove" her innocence to some random dude who decided to stalk her accounts. Dude, listen to yourself, this is Glenn Beck level of mind gymnastics you're performing. In the world of public figures (and do not kid yourself here, Magicamy was a public figure) when you're accused of something you have to disprove it or your assumed guilty of the accusation.
That is the fault of people who don't understand how reality works, not the public figure's.
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On February 20 2015 20:47 Numy wrote:
Stop responding to them. They have this SJW narrative they will shout to the ends of the earth. They don't care about her scamming people or dodging questions. They only care about her being a woman and thus oppressed by the patriarchy.
Jesus are people retarded it would be exactly the same situation for a guy.
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So she is legit and leaving becouse Specialist who is not legit says she is not legit 
This is crazy. Why is she leaving?
Hosty was not legit and he is still featured streamer here.
So it seems that nonlegit persons stay in the HS bussiness and legit are out ?
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On February 20 2015 20:39 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:28 litlnoobs wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team ...She has no reason to "prove" her innocence to some random dude who decided to stalk her accounts. Dude, listen to yourself, this is Glenn Beck level of mind gymnastics you're performing. In the world of public figures (and do not kid yourself here, Magicamy was a public figure) when you're accused of something you have to disprove it or your assumed guilty of the accusation.
You're the reason that shitty tabloids still make money...
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On February 20 2015 20:43 piegasm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations publicly. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team I love this logic. MagicAmy does....apparently nothing...but some people decide that she's not who she says she is because reasons, riling up the whole community and causing her team to treat her like a damn criminal. And she leaves the scene because, who the hell would want to deal with this shit? And it's HER fault? Really?
So apparently participating in offline tournaments you qualified for or got invited to which is part of the job she signed up for in team Tempo Storm is now 'being treated like a criminal'. That is of course assuming that this opportunity isn't just a part of TS's damage control. If it isn't then I can really not understand why you would blame the team for parting with her. They signed her up as part of their roster to participate in tournament and if she doesn't want to be doing that for whatever reason then leaving seems to be the natural consequence.
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On February 20 2015 21:24 Enjun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:43 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations publicly. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team I love this logic. MagicAmy does....apparently nothing...but some people decide that she's not who she says she is because reasons, riling up the whole community and causing her team to treat her like a damn criminal. And she leaves the scene because, who the hell would want to deal with this shit? And it's HER fault? Really? So apparently participating in offline tournaments you qualified for or got invited to which is part of the job she signed up for in team Tempo Storm is now 'being treated like a criminal'. That is of course assuming that this opportunity isn't just a part of TS's damage control. If it isn't then I can really not understand why you would blame the team for parting with her. They signed her up as part of their roster to participate in tournament and if she doesn't want to be doing that for whatever reason then leaving seems to be the natural consequence.
The difference is that now her entire career and reputation relies on her performing well. If she has an off day, doesn't perform, makes a mistake and doesn't do well then she's "confirmed" as a fraud. It'd be gambling her lifestyle on the results of 1 tournament.
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On February 20 2015 20:43 Kabras wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:35 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 20:16 Kabras wrote:On February 20 2015 20:00 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 19:54 Kabras wrote:
so she got a chance to settle things once and for all and chose the backdoor out.. well, this doesn't prove anything, including her innocence. it could be that she just doesn't care anymore and doesn't want to bother with clearing her HS name but... the way i see it is if she has nothing to hide she might as well have done this one tournament to shut everyone up and then left with a clear rep if that's what she really wanted. now i can't help but think the drama is true. If you think everyone would have shut up and let bygones be bygones just because she participated in this one tournament, you're delusional. it would have been something at least. and since there's no actual proof against her and she would've done that tourney there would have been very little reason for people to keep the drama going. ofc there's always gonna be the guy who stirs shit up just for the sake of it which nobody can ever shut up, but doing that tourney and showing solid play would have been enough for most people i think. Because people needed proof to begin with? Seriously dude what color is the sky on your planet? People don't need reasons to stir up drama. I mean look at you. They dug through employment records, travel records, everything they could find and found no evidence that MagicAmy isn't who she said she is. But because she opted out of the bullshit (which anyone with a passing acquaintance with reality knows she'd get), you're now more convinced than ever that she was a fraud. opting out of the bullshit or dodging being exposed? which one is it? how do u know? the only thing that i am now convinced of is that ur a salty white knight who doesn't deserve anymore of my keyboard's lifetime. gl.
Well, he doesn't know and neither does you.
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This drama is quite a fun. At first I was very sceptic, but with more information coming out, i am now conviced there was definately something shady going on. To me there is no reason for her to back out without a fight unless;
a) She is guilty
b) She is scared of being a publicly known person. In this case she couldn't be a proplayer anyways so the outcome os the same.
I don't believe option b is true in this case.
People like Piegasm should stop playing a white knight here. She got what she deserved (and chose)
no matter if she was guilty or not...
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Lot of shadow in this story :
How many times canadian guy used "magicamy" to speak to the community or was it Hyerim all the time ?
How far was involve Tarei in magicamy success ?
Were there others pro helping her ?
Who wrote magicamy tier list ?
What is Hyerim's real skill and knowledge of hearthstone ?
Was Jaedong playing for her when she won multiple times against Savior in ZvZ ?
and the biggest mystery :
Are people trolling when they say that Hyerim can be innocent ???
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You people suck. Really. Nothing was proven and you still acted like it was a clear case. After being condemned by the community and popular streamers wihtout proof you idiots actually have the balls to go "Oh so we can't prove you guilty, now come here and dance for me so I can claim you are still guilty if you don't win tournaments", and you are suprised when she opts out.
A big part of this community are just herd animals mindlessly repeating the same tired lines over and over in twitch chat, getting shocked out of your poor little minds everytime you see a girl on stream. Who would want to be around you?
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On February 20 2015 21:24 DNeon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 20:39 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:28 litlnoobs wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team ...She has no reason to "prove" her innocence to some random dude who decided to stalk her accounts. Dude, listen to yourself, this is Glenn Beck level of mind gymnastics you're performing. In the world of public figures (and do not kid yourself here, Magicamy was a public figure) when you're accused of something you have to disprove it or your assumed guilty of the accusation. You're the reason that shitty tabloids still make money...
This is the perfect analogy actually. Reddit is our source of tabloid trash. And just like tabloid trash it's unfair, usually completely biased and full of half truths. We in Esports love our drama and scandals just as much as the general public loves their celebrity scandals and drama.
I wanted Magicamy to be innocent. Based on the evidence available to me, it just didn't seem that way.
On February 20 2015 21:36 ddayzy wrote:
You people suck. Really. Nothing was proven and you still acted like it was a clear case. After being condemned by the community and popular streamers wihtout proof you idiots actually have the balls to go "Oh so we can't prove you guilty, now come here and dance for me so I can claim you are still guilty if you don't win tournaments", and you are suprised when she opts out.
A big part of this community are just herd animals mindlessly repeating the same tired lines over and over in twitch chat, getting shocked out of your poor little minds everytime you see a girl on stream. Who would want to be around you?
You're no different the the mindless herd either. You spout the same shit all the other white knights do. And the spouted nonsense doesn't in anyway, shape or form disprove the allegations against Magicamy.
The evidence compiled against her may not be the greatest or clearest or whatever but at the end of the day, its there.
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On February 20 2015 21:27 DNeon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 21:24 Enjun wrote:On February 20 2015 20:43 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations publicly. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team I love this logic. MagicAmy does....apparently nothing...but some people decide that she's not who she says she is because reasons, riling up the whole community and causing her team to treat her like a damn criminal. And she leaves the scene because, who the hell would want to deal with this shit? And it's HER fault? Really? So apparently participating in offline tournaments you qualified for or got invited to which is part of the job she signed up for in team Tempo Storm is now 'being treated like a criminal'. That is of course assuming that this opportunity isn't just a part of TS's damage control. If it isn't then I can really not understand why you would blame the team for parting with her. They signed her up as part of their roster to participate in tournament and if she doesn't want to be doing that for whatever reason then leaving seems to be the natural consequence. The difference is that now her entire career and reputation relies on her performing well. If she has an off day, doesn't perform, makes a mistake and doesn't do well then she's "confirmed" as a fraud. It'd be gambling her lifestyle on the results of 1 tournament.
Whereas the alternative of quitting without trying to perform in that tournament also costs her that lifestyle/carreer. It's not really gambling if not doing it costs the same as loosing. I won't rule out that she might be innocent and fed up with it or just generally unwilling to go out there but I don't think there would have been much of a future in progaming for her anyway.
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On February 20 2015 21:33 sacade wrote:
Lot of shadow in this story :
How many times canadian guy use "magicamy" to speak to the community or was it Hyerim all the time ?
How far was involve Tarei in magicamy success ?
Were there others pro helping her ?
Who wrote magicamy tier list ?
What is Hyerim's real skill and knowledge of hearthstone ?
Was Jaedong playing for her when she won multiple times against Savior in ZvZ ?
and the biggest mystery :
Are people trolling when they say that Hyerim can be innocent ???
Haha! Jaedong don't need drama like that. He's sippin champagne with models, livin' that good life.
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Still seems really suspicious to me. I mean, sure, she is not obliged to prove she is not a fraud, but anyone else in her shoes who is actually innocent will most likely want to actively prove it. It just seems odd that she would forego that chance and let all the suspicion continuing to hang, or even increase.
Just seems like a really strange line of behavior for someone who has not done anything wrong.
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On February 20 2015 20:17 Enox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 19:57 chocomaro wrote:
No, but you might get banned for martyring.
what's martyring? saying something like "i may get banned for this but here it comes anyway...."
Martyring is term that some teenagers on a power trip came up with. You don't really see it enforced because it's a dumb arbitary rule.
But really, why post in the first place if you are not going to say what you wanted?
(On topic: totally seems like the allegations were true but who cares)
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On February 20 2015 21:43 Enjun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2015 21:27 DNeon wrote:On February 20 2015 21:24 Enjun wrote:On February 20 2015 20:43 piegasm wrote:On February 20 2015 20:26 Orcasgt24 wrote:On February 20 2015 20:24 litlnoobs wrote:
As we see, no matter the conclusions Chakki et. al have already deemed her guilty based merely on amateur internet sleuthing.
So now, MagicAmy is out a team and has her reputation ruined, and Chakki et. al still stream with even more followers than before. Magicamy didn't do anything to counter the accusations publicly. She just up and left despite having her team willing to back her up and help disprove them. Noone to blame but herself for being off a team I love this logic. MagicAmy does....apparently nothing...but some people decide that she's not who she says she is because reasons, riling up the whole community and causing her team to treat her like a damn criminal. And she leaves the scene because, who the hell would want to deal with this shit? And it's HER fault? Really? So apparently participating in offline tournaments you qualified for or got invited to which is part of the job she signed up for in team Tempo Storm is now 'being treated like a criminal'. That is of course assuming that this opportunity isn't just a part of TS's damage control. If it isn't then I can really not understand why you would blame the team for parting with her. They signed her up as part of their roster to participate in tournament and if she doesn't want to be doing that for whatever reason then leaving seems to be the natural consequence. The difference is that now her entire career and reputation relies on her performing well. If she has an off day, doesn't perform, makes a mistake and doesn't do well then she's "confirmed" as a fraud. It'd be gambling her lifestyle on the results of 1 tournament. Whereas the alternative of quitting without trying to perform in that tournament also costs her that lifestyle/carreer. It's not really gambling if not doing it costs the same as loosing. I won't rule out that she might be innocent and fed up with it or just generally unwilling to go out there but I don't think there would have been much of a future in progaming for her anyway.
Being "confirmed" as a fraud leaves a whole lot more to be lost, reputation and redemption wise, than just walking away. If she wants to prove herself in the future in some offline tournament I doubt a TO would give up on the chance to have that storyline bringing the viewers in. If she gives it enough time and she wants to then she has a chance to try to make it back. But play now and lose then nobody is going to take her seriously, her reputation is dragged through the mud.
It's a lose-lose situation if you ask me, and whether she made the right choice (assuming innocence) can't be determined. Assuming guilt because somebody had to make this kind of career ending choice out of nowhere is pretty bullshit if you ask me.
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