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tomnov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel148 Posts
February 11 2014 08:11 GMT
#1281
On February 11 2014 14:11 jrkirby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 13:00 57 Corvette wrote:
What happens when a warlock casts Sacrificial pact while the opponent mage has a spellbender secret active?


I've wondered this too. Same with rampage.


it will trigger the secret and affect the spellbender minion, even though it is not a valid target.
the check for target validity is done when the player chooses the target, after that the spell is good to go, so when a spellbender is triggered the effect of the spell is transferred from the original target to the spellbender minion without a new validity check.

same goes for execute, demonfire (when cast on a friendly demon), bestial wrath, and any spell that can only be cast on friendly characters
I reject your reality and substitute my own
tomnov
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel148 Posts
February 11 2014 08:16 GMT
#1282
On February 11 2014 17:02 B.I.G. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 11:44 obesechicken13 wrote:
On February 11 2014 06:26 B.I.G. wrote:
I just started playing hearthstone and for now am focusing on shaman. In my noobish opinion I seem to be in need of some cc/nuke cards (read: cards that can damage 1 or more enemy minions like forked lightning). What is the fastest way to obtain those? Play with this deck of suck until my fingers bleed (10 gold per 3 wins and hoping that gold buys me useful cards instead of a pack of cards that my shaman cant even use) or is there a faster way?

Most classes get their CC by level 10.

I'm already lvl 20 so don't think I'm gonna get those cards by leveling. Should I try crafting or is that not worth it?


you have Hex, Rockbiter Weapon, Frost Shock and Fire Elemental
I reject your reality and substitute my own
jrkirby
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1510 Posts
February 11 2014 08:42 GMT
#1283
On February 11 2014 17:02 B.I.G. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 11:44 obesechicken13 wrote:
On February 11 2014 06:26 B.I.G. wrote:
I just started playing hearthstone and for now am focusing on shaman. In my noobish opinion I seem to be in need of some cc/nuke cards (read: cards that can damage 1 or more enemy minions like forked lightning). What is the fastest way to obtain those? Play with this deck of suck until my fingers bleed (10 gold per 3 wins and hoping that gold buys me useful cards instead of a pack of cards that my shaman cant even use) or is there a faster way?

Most classes get their CC by level 10.

I'm already lvl 20 so don't think I'm gonna get those cards by leveling. Should I try crafting or is that not worth it?


Crafting cards wastes, on average, about 35 dust for a common, 60-70 dust for a rare, 200-250 dust for an epic, and ~600 dust for a legendary. A pack is worth about 100 dust. Each gold is approximately worth a dust. This is in terms of how much it delays a full set.

Disenchanting wastes a lot more dust.

If you're any good at arenas (average at least 4 wins or more per arena), that's the fastest (per hour played) way to get packs. Otherwise, you're limited to ~60-70 gold a day from quests.

Very important free shaman cards are Fire Elemental, Rock Biter, and Hex. As soon as you get Stormforged Axe, Unbound Elemental, and Lightning Bolt, put those in your deck. If you get lucky and get Lightning Storm or Feral Sprits, put those in your deck immediately, they're very good. Flametounge Totem is not bad, Windspeaker and Bloodlust are a good finishers.

That's budget shaman in a nutshell. Other than that, put the value neutrals in your deck. If you need help figuring out which ones are good, look at arena tier lists.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
February 11 2014 09:10 GMT
#1284
On February 11 2014 17:11 tomnov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 14:11 jrkirby wrote:
On February 11 2014 13:00 57 Corvette wrote:
What happens when a warlock casts Sacrificial pact while the opponent mage has a spellbender secret active?


I've wondered this too. Same with rampage.


it will trigger the secret and affect the spellbender minion, even though it is not a valid target.
the check for target validity is done when the player chooses the target, after that the spell is good to go, so when a spellbender is triggered the effect of the spell is transferred from the original target to the spellbender minion without a new validity check.

same goes for execute, demonfire (when cast on a friendly demon), bestial wrath, and any spell that can only be cast on friendly characters

I think it'll also heal you, the warlock, rather than the mage.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
February 11 2014 10:29 GMT
#1285
Yes indeed as the spell text doesn't change, just the target of the spell.
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Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
February 11 2014 10:35 GMT
#1286
If you have 2x Fire Elemental in your hand before you mulligan, in a standard 2-limit constructed deck, is it possible to redraw a Fire Elemental after mulligan or are the X cards blocked from being chosen again?
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FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
February 11 2014 11:14 GMT
#1287
On February 11 2014 19:35 Nekovivie wrote:
If you have 2x Fire Elemental in your hand before you mulligan, in a standard 2-limit constructed deck, is it possible to redraw a Fire Elemental after mulligan or are the X cards blocked from being chosen again?


The cards are not blocked. you can theoretically draw the exact same cards back.
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
February 11 2014 15:34 GMT
#1288
On February 11 2014 20:14 FetTerBender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 19:35 Nekovivie wrote:
If you have 2x Fire Elemental in your hand before you mulligan, in a standard 2-limit constructed deck, is it possible to redraw a Fire Elemental after mulligan or are the X cards blocked from being chosen again?


The cards are not blocked. you can theoretically draw the exact same cards back.

No they are blocked. You can however draw the fire elementals the first thing you do, since they are put randomly in your deck. But you will not get them in your starting hand.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
February 11 2014 17:43 GMT
#1289
If you have two copies of a card, you can get the second copy though. Eg. if you have two copies of acolyte of pain and you mulligan acolyte 1, then acolyte 2 might take its place.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
February 11 2014 17:48 GMT
#1290
On February 12 2014 02:43 obesechicken13 wrote:
If you have two copies of a card, you can get the second copy though. Eg. if you have two copies of acolyte of pain and you mulligan acolyte 1, then acolyte 2 might take its place.

This and the post before are correct. If you have both cards and mulligan both, neither will return to your hand, but it is possible to get a duplicate, so mulliganing doesn't necessarily dictate that you won't still get the same card in hand.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 11 2014 18:19 GMT
#1291
Are there any stats out there about the probabilities of how many legendaries/epics you get in an average arena draft?
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
February 11 2014 18:21 GMT
#1292
I would have to assume it's similar to the probability of getting such cards in packs? I don't have those numbers on hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were the same, or at least similar.
The universe created an audience for itself.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 11 2014 19:01 GMT
#1293
Hmm, I'd doubt that, since people seem to get legendaries far more often in arena than in packs. At least I do.

Then again.. hm. I get 5 cards per pack, but 30 cards per arena. So that might actually play out.
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
February 11 2014 19:16 GMT
#1294
I probably get a legendary every 3-4 arena runs. that's one every 90-120 cards, so it seems plausible (barring my abysmal luck).
The universe created an audience for itself.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 11 2014 19:35 GMT
#1295
At first I was thinking there was no way but you may be right. You see a lot more cards in a draft than in packs.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 11 2014 20:59 GMT
#1296
If you silence your Archmage Antonidas with Silence (the spell), does he still give yon a Fireball before being silenced?
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-11 21:05:39
February 11 2014 21:03 GMT
#1297
On February 12 2014 05:59 Conti wrote:
If you silence your Archmage Antonidas with Silence (the spell), does he still give yon a Fireball before being silenced?

isnt silence a priest spell and Archmage Antonidas is a mage minion? how would you accomplish this?

edit: nm, i guess you could steal the minion card with priest abilities. i have no idea what would happen if you silence it.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 11 2014 21:06 GMT
#1298
On February 12 2014 05:59 Conti wrote:
If you silence your Archmage Antonidas with Silence (the spell), does he still give yon a Fireball before being silenced?

That's quite the thoughtsteal you got there
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 11 2014 21:16 GMT
#1299
On February 12 2014 06:06 mordek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2014 05:59 Conti wrote:
If you silence your Archmage Antonidas with Silence (the spell), does he still give yon a Fireball before being silenced?

That's quite the thoughtsteal you got there

This actually just happened to me. Faceless Manipulator the Archmage, opponent had a ton of cards so I was certain he was going to kill the Archmage next turn anyways (which he did), so I thought I might as well silence him and get a spell out of it. Didn't dare to try it out, though.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
February 11 2014 21:18 GMT
#1300
I'm trying to think if there are any other abilities that trigger on spell cast but I can't think of anything at the moment.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
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