EPTPenn & Teller call bullshit on video game violence - Page 3
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Timangi99
Sweden73 Posts
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
On July 17 2009 10:09 CharlieMurphy wrote: Why the hell was that kid crying, what a pussy. Dude, he's 9 years old and was scared as hell. | ||
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Rev0lution
United States1805 Posts
BB gun =/= Semi automatic | ||
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Kgosi
Iceland79 Posts
On July 17 2009 22:05 Timangi99 wrote: I am a bit ambivalent about bullshit. Sure its funny and all, but they way they use humour is to disguise the fact that they are often using the same methods of faulty reasoning as the bullshitters they attempt to expose. At least I know from reading and watching other videos that Penn (that is the tall guy rite?) isn't keen on chasing religion as a whole, but rather bullshitters within their ranks. I'm fairly certain that they have freedom of speech up to a certain point. I mean the show is a big hit and all but if they were to go with guns blazing saying Religion all together is a bunch of b.s. they would probably get sued. They go as far as they can. Just my 2 cents. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On July 17 2009 22:53 Rev0lution wrote: Dude, he's 9 years old and was scared as hell. Probably hurt too, he is way too small for that gun and the recoil was not dampened by proper shoulder positioning; probably left bruising, hit his face. And yea, scary as fuck. The first time I shot a real gun I was 13, and I didn't cry or get scared really, but the recoil was brutal and it was difficult as hell and I basically would do it again but wouldn't go out and look for the opportunity. It was okay. | ||
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Stratos.FEAR
Canada706 Posts
On July 18 2009 00:43 fanatacist wrote: Probably hurt too, he is way too small for that gun and the recoil was not dampened by proper shoulder positioning; probably left bruising, hit his face. And yea, scary as fuck. The first time I shot a real gun I was 13, and I didn't cry or get scared really, but the recoil was brutal and it was difficult as hell and I basically would do it again but wouldn't go out and look for the opportunity. It was okay. the point was also to prove that his hours of all those fps games could not have taught him how to kill using weapons such as this. | ||
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ZeroCartin
Costa Rica2390 Posts
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tirentu
Canada1257 Posts
On July 18 2009 00:52 Stratos.FEAR wrote: the point was also to prove that his hours of all those fps games could not have taught him how to kill using weapons such as this. paintball, however... and all sc has taught me is that 1a2a3a is the most effective strategy in war. | ||
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DM20
Canada544 Posts
On July 17 2009 23:07 Kgosi wrote: I'm fairly certain that they have freedom of speech up to a certain point. I mean the show is a big hit and all but if they were to go with guns blazing saying Religion all together is a bunch of b.s. they would probably get sued. They go as far as they can. Just my 2 cents. They already have, and they can't get sued for talking shit about religion. Someone they mention on their show might be able to sue them for slander, but it is highly unlikely due to the satirical nature of the show. | ||
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On July 17 2009 22:05 Timangi99 wrote: I am a bit ambivalent about bullshit. Sure its funny and all, but they way they use humour is to disguise the fact that they are often using the same methods of faulty reasoning as the bullshitters they attempt to expose. I tend to feel the same way. Showing one kid fire a gun proves absolutely nothing, no matter what his reaction is. Deliberately choosing out nutjobs and picking on them is also a good way to discredit your own argument. P&T are entertainers, and should be taken with a grain of salt just like anything else. I have not personally done any research into this subject, and therefore I don't know anything about it, and therefore I don't have an opinion either way. But I'm guessing that most people posting in this thread haven't done any research either, and yet everyone seems to agree with P&T automatically because this is a gaming forum and everyone here likes video games. P&T did not themselves present any evidence either way, they just made fun of people and said "fuck" a lot. That doesn't make them right. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On July 18 2009 01:58 Djabanete wrote: I tend to feel the same way. Showing one kid fire a gun proves absolutely nothing, no matter what his reaction is. Deliberately choosing out nutjobs and picking on them is also a good way to discredit your own argument. P&T are entertainers, and should be taken with a grain of salt just like anything else. I have not personally done any research into this subject, and therefore I don't know anything about it, and therefore I don't have an opinion either way. But I'm guessing that most people posting in this thread haven't done any research either, and yet everyone seems to agree with P&T automatically because this is a gaming forum and everyone here likes video games. P&T did not themselves present any evidence either way, they just made fun of people and said "fuck" a lot. That doesn't make them right. I would say the deliberately choosing nutjobs though as in jack thompson and Hilary isn't horrible as they are two of the biggest names against video game violence (although jack lost his ability to be a lawyer). The nutjob at the convention was used more as a point of "hey video games are bad BUT GUNS ROCK" to show a general hypocrisy alot of advocates have on the issue. Then using the 9 year old boy in contrast who didn't react at all to what people would say he should. It showed their side as right, but still, they chose people for the most part that just scream the loudest so are used because of it. as for not providing much real evidence, this is true, but they didn't need to give much, just point out the flaws of what was being said overall, and give general statistics (although we dont know if those are accurate). | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
On July 17 2009 22:55 Rev0lution wrote: And CharlieMurphy whatever gun you used to kill rabbits does not compare to that big ass rifle the Marine brought in for the kid. BB gun =/= Semi automatic WRONG, the AR-15 is chambered in .223 aka a small round with very little kick, yes I understand he's 9, but I shot guns at his age and enjoyed it plenty. Secondly, he held it completely wrong so it probably hurt his shoulder which made him cry. If anything a sheltered life creates an uneasyness about guns, I've used guns plenty of times and its just another tool. But once again, its a .223 caliber round, its a thin long rifle round that doesn't kick much at all. Unless its a bolt action or something, most rifles dont have an extraordinary amount of kick, the rounds are designed to go far and accurate, not just blow the shit out of something like a .50 caliber. Sigh, I dislike gun ignorance. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 17 2009 10:17 vAltyR wrote: The amusing thing was when Jack Thompson mentioned how 65% of America thinks we should limit the sale of violent video games. That actually makes a lot of sense. We already limit the sale of R-rated movies to kids under 17, it would make just as much sense to limit M-rated video games to kids under a certain age. That being said, the whole argument that video games cause violence is crap. I love how they completely dismantled everything Jack Thompson and that other guy said. I don't really have much else to add to everything they mentioned in the videos. What the fuck is goin' on here? I wanted to smack that lawyer in the face and say, "They do, dumbass!" Do they not in some states? In Minnesota, whenever I try to by an M rated game, I get ID'd on the spot. You have to be 17 to buy an M rated game anywhere around here. | ||
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Diomedes
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Badjas
Netherlands2038 Posts
How about the other shootings? | ||
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Chef
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Stratos.FEAR
Canada706 Posts
isn't this why they changed the cookie monster to the veggie monster? because the irresponsible parents fed their kids to the point of obesity and then proceed to blame a figure of children's television for encouraging the eating of cookies.... and while there was loads of stuff done in the vids for entertainment the ending part on football is totally true. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
On July 18 2009 03:18 Stratos.FEAR wrote: There wouldn't be an issue if the parents would stop letting their kids play GTA or other stuff if they knew their kids were troubled. this just goes to show that some parents dont give a shit about what their kids do and believe that their 'little angels' have been corrupted by some video game which they paid no attention to the M rating on the game. isn't this why they changed the cookie monster to the veggie monster? because the irresponsible parents fed their kids to the point of obesity and then proceed to blame a figure of children's television for encouraging the eating of cookies.... and while there was loads of stuff done in the vids for entertainment the ending part on football is totally true. You could argue that trouble kids being able to lose themselves in a fantasy world allows them to act normally in reality. I don't think there's been to much evidence specifically for video games regarding the matter (it's a bit difficult to test). There has been research of catharsis methods such as hitting punching bags and kicking things that does show worsened moods and higher aggression (as apposed to not using such methods). They say that if you're hitting something that isn't the object of your pain, it doesn't help (but if it is, it does). But I think tho, that unless you are very unusual, you are not imagining the people you hate on the faces of the characters you shoot up, you're imagining yourself being a superhero (which would make it different and perhaps therapeutic). But yeah... Blame the parents, blame the video games, blame blame blame, just so long as we avoid finding the core of the problem (which in my opinion, is WHAT is making the child sad/troubled, not how he or she deals with it). | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 18 2009 03:30 Chef wrote: You could argue that trouble kids being able to lose themselves in a fantasy world allows them to act normally in reality. I don't think there's been to much evidence specifically for video games regarding the matter (it's a bit difficult to test). There has been research of catharsis methods such as hitting punching bags and kicking things that does show worsened moods and higher aggression (as apposed to not using such methods). They say that if you're hitting something that isn't the object of your pain, it doesn't help (but if it is, it does). But I think tho, that unless you are very unusual, you are not imagining the people you hate on the faces of the characters you shoot up, you're imagining yourself being a superhero (which would make it different and perhaps therapeutic). But yeah... Blame the parents, blame the video games, blame blame blame, just so long as we avoid finding the core of the problem (which in my opinion, is WHAT is making the child sad/troubled, not how he or she deals with it). Well as nice as that is, shit happens, I mean we all have shitty days or stretches of time, but the vast majority of us deal with it without extreme violence. So how someone deals with sadness or stress is very important and relevant. | ||
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