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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
Which was back up by my other post where i said it is luck dependent because there is almost no variety in deck building so most decks are the same, therefore a lot of it depends on luck whether you draw the card you needed or your opponent does. My second point regarding the money is pretty self explanatory because newer cards are better. Of course there is some skill involved in Yu-Gi-Oh I am not taking that away from it, but as a professional esport that is a joke. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
And yes, you said you have played yugioh, but you played yugioh on the same level as somebody who played the single player missions has 'played starcraft', your opinion on the professional level of the game carries no weight. | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
Luck is a built in factor in all 3 games you mentioned, period. I will agree that there is probably a smaller random luck factor in starcraft than there is in Yugioh, but that doesn't mean Yugioh is throwing dice. The whole point is that due to randomization each game is different, and you have to use what you draw to find a way to defeat your opponent. Yes, every once in a while a game will be played where one deck just outdraws the other, but that is why tournaments generally aren't Bo1. | ||
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Clasic
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:12 Lemonwalrus wrote: Replace 'how much money you are willing to shell out into buying the cards' with 'how much apm you have' and you will see why your argument is just something someone unacquainted with a game would say as a detractor. And yes, you said you have played yugioh, but you played yugioh on the same level as somebody who played the single player missions has 'played starcraft', your opinion on the professional level of the game carries no weight. Pwned by a walrus | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
Multigaming networks can work, imo, but the specialization still needs to exist, as it is with tv stations like ESPN. Yeah, people who are sports fans in general can get coverage of everything, but people who are only fans of one thing can get their fix too. That way you can get as much draw as possible. I'm not sure how it works abroad but in America I think that's the way to do it. | ||
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chiflutz
Romania1025 Posts
I'd have used that budget to sign agreements with most big name companies out there that have had games in arguably major tournaments over the past years, building a functional, glitter-free website with lots of streaming bandwidth, and of course prizes for initial competitions. Yeah, I'm pretty skeptical. | ||
Manifesto7
Osaka27179 Posts
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snaeku
China5 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:12 Lemonwalrus wrote: Replace 'how much money you are willing to shell out into buying the cards' with 'how much apm you have' and you will see why your argument is just something someone unacquainted with a game would say as a detractor. I don't really understand how this is a valid point at all. As far as I can see, what you are saying is like...one factor to being good at starcraft is having a high APM.....and one factor to being good at Yu-gi-oh is having alot of money youre willing to spend on newer cards?? that doesn't make sense to me. From what I can tell from shivaz description, people can pay to give themselves a further advantage above other people without money. It isn't like buying an expansion pack at all with newer and better units...because you would only be able to play other people with BW. | ||
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Stratos.FEAR
Canada706 Posts
compare this to broodwar. sure after a couple of years rust builds. but all you need is practice and to revise new strategies that came over the time. no amount of practice or new strategies could ever improve my chance of being able to compete in yugioh unless i was willing to spend more money on the newer better cards | ||
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Snet
United States3573 Posts
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KwarK
United States44373 Posts
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
On July 15 2009 01:37 Kwark wrote: Can't you just photocopy expensive cards and play with them. It's still the same game with the same skills involved, a victory with fake cards is as legitimate as a victory with real cards. You still went through the same strategy planning as you would have if you had the official expensive cards. no, getting the cards is part of the "skill" although I would love that if they allowed it, so you can actually play the game. | ||
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Lovin
Denmark812 Posts
On July 14 2009 06:16 Magic84 wrote: I only care about starcraft (1, i don't give a damn about sc2 which will suck in comparison) and cs 1.6. It will be so awesome if these game swill be in the solid league. I would also love to see fighting games, Tekken 6br and SF3ts to be exact. These games are the best esports games. If they fuck up with disciplines - wow, halo, source, etc, it's useless to even try, it'll fail. If it's all a big joke, too bad then. Wow.. Thanks man, I really appreciate you trolling so hard about things that I am quite sure you do not know shit about since you "only care about starcraft". Get your things straight and stop acting like an ass, SCII isn't even in BETA and hardly near release date.. Cut it some slack god damn it. | ||
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KwarK
United States44373 Posts
On July 15 2009 01:38 Shivaz wrote: no, getting the cards is part of the "skill" although I would love that if they allowed it, so you can actually play the game. They are aware of ebay, right? | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 14 2009 13:12 Lemonwalrus wrote: Replace 'how much money you are willing to shell out into buying the cards' with 'how much apm you have' and you will see why your argument is just something someone unacquainted with a game would say as a detractor. And yes, you said you have played yugioh, but you played yugioh on the same level as somebody who played the single player missions has 'played starcraft', your opinion on the professional level of the game carries no weight. That is complete bullshit. Your APM is directly proportional to your mechanical skill in the game, while the amount of money that you shell out to get better has nothing to do with skill. What it means is someone who's rich and mediocre can still beat someone who could be fantastic and knows every tactic and strat behind the game but doesn't have the money to back it up. Furthermore, if you can't see why a card game can't be taken as a SERIOUS competitive sport (due to the fact that drawing cards is innately random and goes against the competitive spirit, unless you stack your deck), then you're fucking blind. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On July 15 2009 03:53 Stratos_speAr wrote: That is complete bullshit. Your APM is directly proportional to your mechanical skill in the game, while the amount of money that you shell out to get better has nothing to do with skill. What it means is someone who's rich and mediocre can still beat someone who could be fantastic and knows every tactic and strat behind the game but doesn't have the money to back it up. Furthermore, if you can't see why a card game can't be taken as a SERIOUS competitive sport (due to the fact that drawing cards is innately random and goes against the competitive spirit, unless you stack your deck), then you're fucking blind. The more tournaments you win the more money you get, with more money you can buy better cards therefore More money = more skill, oh btw regarding the "card game cannot be considered a competitive sport" statement, Elky will prolly visit you later tonight... | ||
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