EPTOn May 12 2009 14:14 food wrote:
lmfao fluoride conspiracy
my dentist trying to poison me
lmfao fluoride conspiracy
my dentist trying to poison me
Your dentist tells you to spit.
U.S. soldiers being injected with WHAT? - Page 19
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Your dentist tells you to spit. | ||
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Zerg Zergling
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html#animal1 | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
On May 12 2009 14:15 Yurebis wrote: How does it not matter how much of a substance you have to ingest to die? You've got to be fucking kidding me. I hate the FDA and wikipedia but here goes a stupid quote: It doesn't fucking matter to you if the FDA labels it with a POISON WARNING? And I can't call it a POISON? You guys are out of your fucking minds. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. And here we have a perfect example of being unable to think rationally. You panic because you don't understand the numbers you're typing, and you try to get us to share in your panic by swearing and capitalizing a lot of shit. "Poison" is a really loaded term, you shouldn't be talking about establish firm scientific evidence and then suddenly expect us to be swung to your viewpoint because you have a small tantrum. I bet you'd have a hard time finding one product in your bathroom that's not poisonous if you want to use that term. But the absolute, literal measurement of the lethal dose is *always* irrelevant. Why? For starters, there are chemicals essential for life that are toxic at significantly smaller doses than 5mg/kg. (to find some, look at the ingredients in your multivitamins--selenium for example) You *always* need to compare the amount consumed to the safe dosage. A substance with 1/10th the LD50 can be 10 times as dangerous if you are exposed to 100 times as much of it. The reason toothpaste has poison warnings is because 1) toothpaste has a thousand times as much fluoride as drinking water, and 2) small children might decide toothpaste tastes good and eat an entire tube. It's not because if they somehow touch it then OMG FUCK IT'S POISON EVERYBODY CLEAR THE FUCKING ROOM. | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
On May 12 2009 14:28 Yurebis wrote: Also since I'm at it I might as well post some OOO CONSPIRACY THEORY links on animal experiments with fluoride in the brain. Haven't seen them before. Apparently if you want a copy of the actual papers you have to send them an email, and pay for it. http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html#animal1 lol I picked the first study that wasn't from an Indian or Chinese research team that I've obviously never heard of and can't verify the credentials of. It was from the American Journal of Public Health, but it was on sulfuryl fluoride. Since you obviously don't know anything about chemistry, I'll explain to you that sulfuryl fluoride is covalently bonded, hence has as much to do with fluoride ion as chlorine gas has to do with sodium chloride, table salt. Simple logic and chemistry, my friend. Do you have some particular study on that list that you think is both a) relevant, and b) not bullshit? | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
It is dangerous because it can build up. The danger was unforeseen in the past, but they put it anyway. Without sufficient research, without giving a damn, like you. You don't give a damn and you just accept the saying that it's a safe dosage, and won't consider it can build up. Alright I'm not going to repeat myself. Go take a look at the brain stuff and see if you fancy something. If not, whatever. i can't make you doubt authority, you got to do it yourself. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On May 12 2009 14:55 threepool wrote: lol I picked the first study that wasn't from an Indian or Chinese research team that I've obviously never heard of and can't verify the credentials of. It was from the American Journal of Public Health, but it was on sulfuryl fluoride. Since you obviously don't know anything about chemistry, I'll explain to you that sulfuryl fluoride is covalently bonded, hence has as much to do with fluoride ion as chlorine gas has to do with sodium chloride, table salt. Simple logic and chemistry, my friend. Do you have some particular study on that list that you think is both a) relevant, and b) not bullshit? I'm still looking into it. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On May 12 2009 14:28 Yurebis wrote: Also since I'm at it I might as well post some OOO CONSPIRACY THEORY links on animal experiments with fluoride in the brain. Haven't seen them before. Apparently if you want a copy of the actual papers you have to send them an email, and pay for it. http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/index.html#animal1 i heard your part starting at 2:45 | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Rofl :D | ||
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Yurebis
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National Academy of Science recommends: · infants up to 6 months old - less than 0.01 mg · babies from 6 - 12 months less than 0.5 mg · children from 1 to 3 years old - 0.7 mg · children from 4 to 8 years old - less than 1 mg · children from 9 - 15 years old - less than 2 mg Remember, a litter of water has 1mg worth of fluoride ion. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/infant/ | ||
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SwedishHero
Sweden869 Posts
 Ps I will come back on this subject after having a talk with Dr house hehe | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
The doses are too high though. You gotta start somewhere... http://www.fluorideresearch.org/412/files/FJ2008_v41_n2_p148-151.pdf "Fluoride is a neurotoxicant." Something to do with "ChE activation", didn't get it yet. | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
It was apparently published only in the Chinese Journal of Endemiology. http://www.scimagojr.com gives a ranking of journal credibility based on citations, and this journal gets 36 on their index. (there are over 200 journals that score over 1,000 on this index) In other words, who the fuck are these guys? As for the content of the article, which seems decently written enough, the *smallest* concentration of fluoride given to any group of mice was about ten times that in drinking water, which we already agreed was unhealthy. See, I actually read the thing. Care to try again? | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
On May 12 2009 15:58 SwedishHero wrote: Even though I think its quite harmless to drink some water with fluoride in it, I also think its quite overkill to add it to all the water supply. How hard can it be to just buy some mouthwash with flouride in it and spit it out Ps I will come back on this subject after having a talk with Dr house hehe The problem isn't with us, the problem is mostly with poor people. Tooth decay can be devastating when someone can't afford treatment--imagine you're already having trouble getting a job, then suddenly you're missing a couple of teeth and have revolting bad breath. In addition, oral infections can easily spread, causing a lot of other health problems including heart disease. It's really a huge problem that can be an economic drain on society, and nobody has come up with a better treatment for the problem than fluoridation, not that I've seen anyway. I don't want to find myself rabidly defending fluoride at all costs here, but I did want to respond to your point, and say that it's not quite as simple as buying mouthwash for everyone on the planet. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Ill look for more later. In the meanwhile, consider this. How save can 1ppm be when the EPA says 4ppm is dangerous aleady? huh? huh? Isn't it weird that the official safe standards and the official unsafe standards are so close together? It's not like that with other stuff, the margins are spread apart exponentially in most cases. http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw/hfacts.html Fluoride. Many communities add fluoride to their drinking water to promote dental health. Each community makes its own decision about whether or not to add fluoride. EPA has set an enforceable drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 mg/L (some people who drink water containing fluoride in excess of this level over many years could get bone disease, including pain and tenderness of the bones). EPA has also set a secondary fluoride standard of 2 mg/L to protect against dental fluorosis. Dental fluorosis, in its moderate or severe forms, may result in a brown staining and/or pitting of the permanent teeth. This problem occurs only in developing teeth, before they erupt from the gums. Children under nine should not drink water that has more than 2 mg/L of fluoride. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On May 12 2009 17:19 threepool wrote: The problem isn't with us, the problem is mostly with poor people. Tooth decay can be devastating when someone can't afford treatment--imagine you're already having trouble getting a job, then suddenly you're missing a couple of teeth and have revolting bad breath. In addition, oral infections can easily spread, causing a lot of other health problems including heart disease. It's really a huge problem that can be an economic drain on society, and nobody has come up with a better treatment for the problem than fluoridation, not that I've seen anyway. I don't want to find myself rabidly defending fluoride at all costs here, but I did want to respond to your point, and say that it's not quite as simple as buying mouthwash for everyone on the planet. Please, I admire your concern but the government doesn't care about your health. It cares about looking good and getting money out of our pockets thats all. Sorry I gotta sleep a little. | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
As for my response to SwedishHero, whether there exist global health concerns or not is a completely different discussion from whether these global health concerns are being addressed reliably, and I wish you'd figure out how to distinguish points like this. As for the idea that the government doesn't care about major health crises, that's absurd--the whole economy suffers from major health issues like these. And I assure you, the government does care about the GDP. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 12 2009 15:48 Yurebis wrote: http://fluoridedangers.blogspot.com/2005/12/infant-foods-and-fluoride.html National Academy of Science recommends: Remember, a litter of water has 1mg worth of fluoride ion. Again, this is an example of you being dumb as shit. A liter of water weighs over two pounds. If you fill a 15-20lbs baby with over 500mL (<.5mg of fluoride) of water, or about 1 lbs of water, you're going to run into far more problems than fluoride poisoning. Right.. the government doesn't care about your health. That's why the CDC was working 20 hours a day to identify the swine flu, or why they subsidize the costs for low-profit making drugs that would otherwise not be produced or why social security even exists to support people of lower economic class when they can't work and aren't paying much in taxes anymore. Stop educating yourself on blogspots and go find out about the real world. Even the "chlorinated water is dangerous for showering" people have a better case than you do against fluoridation. | ||
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