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Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
May 08 2009 15:06 GMT
#1
SU puzzle

The aim of the game is to connect all 3 houses to water, electricity and gas suppliers without crossing any lines.


Some guy gave it to me, saying that him and many others tried to solve it but couldn't. I've been trying to solve it for the last 15min but so far no luck. It's like impossible...

Let's see who's smart enough
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
treason
Profile Joined February 2009
Germany72 Posts
May 08 2009 15:15 GMT
#2
it is impossible, the mathimaticans here in germany call that a K_3,3 graph (there is also a K_5 graph), it is impossible to draw a plain graph (no connections are crossing) if you find something like that in a graph. I could try to prove it, there are some mathematic theromes about that, but I'm too lazy, just believe it, it IS impossible:D
Well, it would be possible if you draw the houses and the water/fire/lightning on a ball, but not on a 2D paper xD
Now I know why I studied this shit for 1 year
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 08 2009 15:19 GMT
#3


I give up
POGGERS
sixghost
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2096 Posts
May 08 2009 15:25 GMT
#4
Not touchpad friendly.
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 08 2009 15:26 GMT
#5
On May 09 2009 00:06 Pika Chu wrote:
It's like impossible...

Don't hate the player - Hate the game
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 08 2009 15:26 GMT
#6
Yes I think it's impossible, there's also an explanation of it in the Graph Theory I think.
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Magicbox
Profile Joined June 2004
Denmark73 Posts
May 08 2009 15:31 GMT
#7
This can't be done on a flat surface. So don't spend all your time trying

There's a math way of solving it using some of Euler's formulas. I can't remember how and I'm too lazy to think about it.
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
May 08 2009 15:31 GMT
#8
I could have sworn I did something like this in fourth or fifth grade in tag called the kindergarten test or something like that (because adults struggled with it and kindergartens usually got it in less than a minute due to adults mental block that a line has to be straight) but there were only two blocks... three is impossible. I tried to swirl it around a bunch of time but the last 2 connections never work.
tarpman
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada723 Posts
May 08 2009 15:33 GMT
#9
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Complete_bipartite_graph

A planar graph cannot contain K3,3 as a minor.


what that is saying is that you cannot construct a graph that has three vertices, each of which are connected to each of another three (different) vertices.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
May 08 2009 15:33 GMT
#10
On May 09 2009 00:31 bdams19 wrote:
I could have sworn I did something like this in fourth or fifth grade in tag called the kindergarten test or something like that (because adults struggled with it and kindergartens usually got it in less than a minute due to adults mental block that a line has to be straight) but there were only two blocks... three is impossible. I tried to swirl it around a bunch of time but the last 2 connections never work.

Last 1 connection actually :p
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Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
May 08 2009 15:41 GMT
#11
Yea i manage to connect them all but one.

Well, since it's on that site i thought it has a solving. I tried all sorts of lines but it always remains one last line impossible to be drawn .
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Cirrus
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom134 Posts
May 08 2009 15:43 GMT
#12
I thought maybe if i left the last house with just water and electricity it would get fire anyway as a result but didn't work unfortunately
:)
CyuntiyuL
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada1740 Posts
May 08 2009 15:57 GMT
#13
pretty easy
+ Show Spoiler +

the trick is to go around the world
[image loading]

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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 08 2009 16:01 GMT
#14
This game explains why my house doesn't have a gas supply.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
May 08 2009 16:08 GMT
#15
Haha, lol Klive5ive.

I like that solving Cyu, impressive haha.

On a serious note, i've solved it:
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[image loading]

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Oh well, it's a glitch or something, you must draw the line through a house. You stop just before you connect the house then right click and move mouse at the other part of the house then left click ... and line is continuous through the house. Disappointed that this has no real solving but was fun spending 40min thinking about it.
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 08 2009 16:16 GMT
#16
On May 09 2009 01:08 Pika Chu wrote:
Haha, lol Klive5ive.

I like that solving Cyu, impressive haha.

On a serious note, i've solved it:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh well, it's a glitch or something, you must draw the line through a house. You stop just before you connect the house then right click and move mouse at the other part of the house then left click ... and line is continuous through the house. Disappointed that this has no real solving but was fun spending 40min thinking about it.


Nice, so in fact someone who simply says there isn't a solution is just not thinking outside of the box .
No I'm never serious.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 08 2009 16:17 GMT
#17
On May 09 2009 00:57 CyuntiyuL wrote:
pretty easy
+ Show Spoiler +

the trick is to go around the world
[image loading]


wait, is there a way to let you do that?
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
May 08 2009 16:25 GMT
#18
On May 09 2009 01:16 Nytefish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 01:08 Pika Chu wrote:
Haha, lol Klive5ive.

I like that solving Cyu, impressive haha.

On a serious note, i've solved it:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
Oh well, it's a glitch or something, you must draw the line through a house. You stop just before you connect the house then right click and move mouse at the other part of the house then left click ... and line is continuous through the house. Disappointed that this has no real solving but was fun spending 40min thinking about it.


Nice, so in fact someone who simply says there isn't a solution is just not thinking outside of the box .


yeah, there's plenty of ways to solve it if you break the rules. I prefer the 3d solutions myself, you can make pretty weaves of uncrossed lines that way.
backdrOp
Profile Joined November 2005
United States104 Posts
May 08 2009 16:39 GMT
#19
[image loading]
Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1637 Posts
May 08 2009 16:44 GMT
#20
It's a graph maths well known problem. What I wonder is why they added the You Win animation when it was imposible to solve it =/ xD
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
CyuntiyuL
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada1740 Posts
May 08 2009 16:46 GMT
#21
On May 09 2009 01:17 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 00:57 CyuntiyuL wrote:
pretty easy
+ Show Spoiler +

the trick is to go around the world
[image loading]


wait, is there a way to let you do that?


no, i did it on paint as a joke. after seeing pika's solution i tried to do the right-click thing to simulate going around the world but the line just went straight across the screen lol. ):
secret base
Mania[K]al
Profile Joined May 2009
United States359 Posts
May 08 2009 17:02 GMT
#22
Just right click and then click on the other side of a house and you can drag lines through the houses. Easy.
Final_Judicator
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany85 Posts
May 08 2009 17:04 GMT
#23
Wow thats pretty lame. I'm So glad I didn't waste like an hour just to find out that you have to use some sort of glitch to make it work -_-
Still, regards to the one who found it out...

- Final_Judicator
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 08 2009 17:06 GMT
#24
is anyone surprised that on a starcraft forum we found a glitch to make it work lol

LOL IF U GROUP HOUSES WITH OVERLORDS THEY ALL STACK ON TOP AND U ONLY NEED 3 LINES
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jacen
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Austria3644 Posts
May 08 2009 17:07 GMT
#25
On May 09 2009 00:15 treason wrote:
Well, it would be possible if you draw the houses and the water/fire/lightning on a ball, but not on a 2D paper xD


non-euklidian geometry STINKS!
FUCKING general relativity ... omg i hate it.



its interesting though ...
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ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
May 08 2009 17:10 GMT
#26
On May 09 2009 01:39 backdrOp wrote:
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be aware because we can find out you have bookmarked PORN SITES!
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KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
May 08 2009 17:22 GMT
#27
lol
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13197 Posts
May 08 2009 17:28 GMT
#28
On May 09 2009 01:39 backdrOp wrote:
[image loading]


lolwut
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Lucktar
Profile Joined July 2008
United States526 Posts
May 08 2009 18:03 GMT
#29
On May 09 2009 02:06 Hot_Bid wrote:
is anyone surprised that on a starcraft forum we found a glitch to make it work lol

LOL IF U GROUP HOUSES WITH OVERLORDS THEY ALL STACK ON TOP AND U ONLY NEED 3 LINES

This made me lol. Because it's true.
NaDa, much, ZerO fighting!
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
May 08 2009 18:03 GMT
#30
[image loading]

Wow pretty awesome that it has a solution.
Nice thinking outside the box guys!
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
May 08 2009 18:51 GMT
#31
fuck logic, i can draw outside of the box!
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
May 08 2009 18:58 GMT
#32
i connecfted them all with teh right click glitch and ntohign happened -_-
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Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
May 08 2009 19:36 GMT
#33
On May 09 2009 01:46 CyuntiyuL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 01:17 Luddite wrote:
On May 09 2009 00:57 CyuntiyuL wrote:
pretty easy
+ Show Spoiler +

the trick is to go around the world
[image loading]


wait, is there a way to let you do that?


no, i did it on paint as a joke. after seeing pika's solution i tried to do the right-click thing to simulate going around the world but the line just went straight across the screen lol. ):

Haha I did the same thing :p
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 08 2009 20:21 GMT
#34
right click hax is so rape lol

take that math!
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
May 08 2009 20:26 GMT
#35
This is a classic puzzle. Solving it has always involved building one of the lines under one of the houses. Knowing that it's just a problem of figuring out how to get the line to build.

Nice discovery.
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ultramagnetics
Profile Joined March 2009
Poland215 Posts
May 09 2009 01:07 GMT
#36
All the solution posted so far are exploitiing a glitch of the program and don't actually work...
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
May 09 2009 01:21 GMT
#37
On May 09 2009 10:07 ultramagnetics wrote:
All the solution posted so far are exploitiing a glitch of the program and don't actually work...


Find a way to solve this puzzle without the glitch then?
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 09 2009 01:42 GMT
#38
On May 09 2009 10:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 10:07 ultramagnetics wrote:
All the solution posted so far are exploitiing a glitch of the program and don't actually work...


Find a way to solve this puzzle without the glitch then?


well mathematically, it's pretty obvious that k3,3 can't be drawn without lines crossing, and there's a billion ways to prove it. i mean it has girth 4 and you can show that a planar graph must satisfy #edges <= girth*(points-2) / girth-2, and that gives us 4*4/2 = 8. 9 isn't less than 8 so k3,3 can't be drawn without lines crossing

as for actually solving the puzzle, it either has no solution or a solution hinging on dumb assumptions

(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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Red.Cloud
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada235 Posts
May 09 2009 02:09 GMT
#39
i got it 2
Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
May 09 2009 02:13 GMT
#40
On May 09 2009 10:42 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 10:21 Juicyfruit wrote:
On May 09 2009 10:07 ultramagnetics wrote:
All the solution posted so far are exploitiing a glitch of the program and don't actually work...


Find a way to solve this puzzle without the glitch then?


well mathematically, it's pretty obvious that k3,3 can't be drawn without lines crossing, and there's a billion ways to prove it. i mean it has girth 4 and you can show that a planar graph must satisfy #edges <= girth*(points-2) / girth-2, and that gives us 4*4/2 = 8. 9 isn't less than 8 so k3,3 can't be drawn without lines crossing

as for actually solving the puzzle, it either has no solution or a solution hinging on dumb assumptions



this has no solutions... a solution on a dumb assumption is a wrong solution.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 02:36:34
May 09 2009 02:36 GMT
#41
+ Show Spoiler +
When your powers combine

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM CAPTAIN PLANET

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
May 09 2009 02:52 GMT
#42
this is impossible just a heads up, i learned it when iw as a kid, but only with 6 circles on a piece of paper, and you have to make each one touch each one.
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wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 02:58:22
May 09 2009 02:54 GMT
#43
On May 09 2009 11:36 CharlieMurphy wrote:
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When your powers combine

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM CAPTAIN PLANET

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAAHAHAH
OMFG PWND.

I retyped exactly what came to mind as i saw this Lol!!!!!!!

+ Show Spoiler +
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-09 03:01:00
May 09 2009 03:00 GMT
#44
On May 09 2009 11:54 wishbones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2009 11:36 CharlieMurphy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
When your powers combine

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM CAPTAIN PLANET

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAAHAHAH
OMFG PWND.

I retyped exactly what came to mind as i saw this Lol!!!!!!!

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjRlp1wgQWw



lol @ 0:43
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
May 09 2009 03:21 GMT
#45
On May 09 2009 11:36 CharlieMurphy wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
When your powers combine

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
I AM CAPTAIN PLANET

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.
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