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yB.TeH
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany414 Posts
March 26 2009 06:41 GMT
#61
On March 26 2009 12:29 Klaz wrote:
I'm man enough for Mrs Klazart

Vilda just laid down some WTF pwnage in the comments on the authonomy blog (her post is no. 50 at the end)

http://blog.authonomy.com/2009/03/fun-and-online-games-at-authonomy.html

She's one articulate girl.


god, i read the comment from banana (2nd above vilda), thats pretty fucked up.. people only reading others books and flattering for months just to increase their own books ranking? sounds like hell to me. no surprise some of them are really pissed after your success.
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 07:50:04
March 26 2009 06:53 GMT
#62
Vilda is staff on...GG.net, right?

Edit: I just brought it up since there was a Vilda who played Plexa back in the TL vs. GG.net show match, I think? Someone who is more familiar with the GG.net staff members can probably answer this right away...
Edit 2: Typo
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
March 26 2009 07:06 GMT
#63
On March 26 2009 15:53 Descent wrote:
Vilda is staff on...GG.net, right?

Edit: I just brought it up since there was a Vilda who played Plexa back in the TL vs. GG.net show match, I think? Someone who is probably more familiar with the GG.net staff members can probably answer this right away..

She is indeed staff there as far as I know.
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Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
March 26 2009 07:12 GMT
#64
^ Thanks. I like her post, too. Here it is, in case anyone doesn't want to go through the link:
+ Show Spoiler +
Vilda said...

I think all - or at least most - of you, have blown this out of proportion.

I actually sat down and read through everything that's been said here, and this whole discussion makes me so tired. I don't know everything about how this site works, and I happen to be one of the people who didn't sign up to vote for Klazart's book, but the way you reason around the rules when it comes to spreading the word to your friends is making me frustrated.

You say you have your community here, that you have a way to deal with trolls and a way that your forums and community works. Of course you do, but the more people who join up with your site, the more people can and most likely will give you the feedback you're all looking for when you post your work here. Are you upset because your own work isn't "backed up without reading" or are you upset because your work isn't climbing as fast as Klazart's? It sounds to me like you are only looking for a way to get him out, so you can get your own work up faster again. And yet some of you state you don't see this as a competition.

This clearly IS a game, a competition. A competition for a company to maybe sign your books, or at least for the feedback you can get from them. How can it be wrong to want to get there, when that's the reason (I believe) many of you joined the site in the first place? If the book (as some of you have presented here) isn't good, I doubt the company will publish it. What Klazart is looking for (I've heard him say this himself) is some feedback, what can help him make it better.

Also it makes me down right pissed off the way some/most of you speak of our (the Starcraft- ) community. How can the people who Klazart has come in contact with in some way online the last years not be counted for just because it is online and/or a gaming community? How can you even begin to think that someone creating 100 accounts to make his book rise in the rankings to be the same thing as posting somewhere online to get people whom you've given a lot to to give something back to you? I could say right now that it is easier to create 100 accounts on the site even using proxies, than to accomplish what Klazart has for the Starcraft community, and/or for the people who watches his videos.

I take personal offence by the people in these comments who seem to mentions that the "klazartians" are all male gamer nerds who never read books. I'm a female college student who spends more time reading books than I do on playing Starcraft, and I'm currently studying English Creative Writing, which makes me consider myself a writer. The stereotype you paint out for the people who just joined your site to check out a book of someone they have talked to or watched online - as your rules clearly not only states but encourage people to do - is plain hilarious.

I also find it funny how no one complained about the rules or lack of them, until now. Some posts include a "I've been saying this all along" comment, but apparently it wasn't enough to make you leave until someone actually manage to get up to that top5 you speak of, faster than you have. Most of you say that you have posted on your blogs, on facebook and other ways and it happens to be that youtube is a place where Klazart ventilate and puts his thoughts. Maybe he doesn't put it in the same format you do on the above mentioned sites, but that is what he's doing there. You also tend put us all in the same box with other labels, such as "people who live in their mother's basement", you mention the "level of blind idealism in today's youth", and with comments such as "you could market the book by pairing it with "Ten sure-fire ways to kiss a girl before you're thirty." This makes me take this site and its followers even less serious than I did when I first heard about this whole flamewar, just a couple of days ago.

If you call the people on this site your friends, and you call it a core community, I see no reason not to stay in touch with them even if you have left the site. Some of you mention leaving, but also having a hard time with it, because of the friends you have made here. If you like the community and have friends there, stay, if it's not worth it, leave. Klazart's book hasn't changed anything, just made a fault in the rules and ways of the site more obvious.

How can you think that Klazart being a gamer changes anything. Does he not deserve being published, or even getting the feedback from the publishers because of that? Seriously. If you really disagree with what he's done, feel free to say so, but don't claim he did something wrong just because you wouldn't have gotten the backup his book got. Saying things such as "You may get it published, but the writing community will never support it." (what community by the way, from what I know this site isn't the only one out there, and not big enough to contain every writer out there either.) or "You've become a pariah to those who try to get published in a classy and ethical manner." won't change the fact that if he gets published I'm sure it'll be for a good reason, and not only because of him having a lot of people believing in his book. Calling him out for not being ethically correct, or even saying that his book is really bad will not give you anything, most likely not even the satisfaction of getting back at him.

Lastly: Maybe some day I'll have enough faith in a site like this to put my own work up there, and when that day comes, I'll do what I can to get what I want - getting published - as anyone else here is/should be doing.

Rick, thank you, you seem to be a reasonable person.

dalecoz, I'm glad to see someone actually can look forward from this, and realise that every person in each community is a person him or herself, not just a part of a group labelled with writer or gamer.
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
Vilda
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Sweden111 Posts
March 26 2009 09:51 GMT
#65
I'm no longer staff at gg.net.
Vilda is all about StarCraft
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
March 26 2009 09:53 GMT
#66
On March 26 2009 18:51 Vilda wrote:
I'm no longer staff at gg.net.

Oh sorry, I had some vague doubt in the back of my mind that you had left, which is why I said "as far as I know".
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Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
March 26 2009 11:32 GMT
#67
Am I the only who's not gonna vote for Klaz book? I give him huge probs for his commentaries but it's stupid to destroy for another community just to show what "we gamers can do". Yeah it's not against the rules but still it's immature and stupid. Only because Klaz has done good commentaries (and ovverated IMO) he should'nt get votes for his book. I understand that Klaz is so egocentric that he'll do anything to get someone to read it but I'm not going to support it.
Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
March 26 2009 11:42 GMT
#68
starcraft make it to the olympics lol wtf
<3 klazart
Entusman #51
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
March 26 2009 12:10 GMT
#69
On March 26 2009 20:32 Loffeman wrote:
Am I the only who's not gonna vote for Klaz book? I give him huge probs for his commentaries but it's stupid to destroy for another community just to show what "we gamers can do". Yeah it's not against the rules but still it's immature and stupid. Only because Klaz has done good commentaries (and ovverated IMO) he should'nt get votes for his book. I understand that Klaz is so egocentric that he'll do anything to get someone to read it but I'm not going to support it.


Well, the whole point of this thing is not to show "what gamers can do" and inviting support in general for your book is actually encouraged at authonomy but as the last couple of days have shown hoghly controversial.

I'd suggest you read the book and a couple of others over at authonomy and then cast your vote on what you like. Nobody forces you to register at authonomy and support Klazart.

^_^
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achap54
Profile Joined March 2009
United States49 Posts
March 26 2009 12:51 GMT
#70
On March 26 2009 06:53 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2009 06:36 Kuja900 wrote:
On March 26 2009 06:28 fanatacist wrote:
On March 26 2009 05:25 achap54 wrote:
If Klazart doesn't make it to the editor's desk this month, he'll be in the number one spot at the begining of next month, once the other five are taken down. With his constant flow of votes, I don't see any way he can miss next month (if he doesn't make it this month). So, in the long run, he'll get there one way or the other.

Although it may not seem like it, there is a limit to the Klazart fan population, and I'm sure that 80% of them, if they would have ever helped him have already helped him.


Well you have to remember that klaz has about 9000 suscribers and only around 1250 people have backed his book, + the people in the community who are neutral to klaz but hate the people at authonomy, +4chan ppl doing it for the lulz+ people who are fans of sc in general ect. Id say Klaz's backing army is nowhere near dry or "80%".

I am not very clear sometimes so I will rephrase: of the people that would take the time to vote for Klaz, I think 80% have already done so. This is just a guess of course, but I think that something like a video promotion in this case has a response of a bell-curve with the x-axis being time and y-axis being votes/day. I think the apex has passed.


It looks like Klazart's initial rush was 700 votes (on March 21st). His vote count, rising steadily, is presently 1311. Five days to go until the contest ends. Will there be another surge?
This too shall pass
General Nuke Em
Profile Joined March 2008
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 12:54:45
March 26 2009 12:51 GMT
#71
It appears that the folks in charge at the website have banned new users from backing Klazart's book because I just registered and was able to "back" other shitty books but not Klazart's. An attempt to back Klazart's book pops up with a message saying "too many requests from this computer."

edit - Hrm, appears it affects other books randomly actually.
Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
March 26 2009 12:58 GMT
#72
Schnake, Yes and I hope that everyone will do the same. Unfortenately there seems to be a lot of people who doesn't read the books but just vote for Klaz because of his commentaries and I think that is stupid. As I said yes it follows the rules at authonomy but we all know that it's not what they intended to happen and therefor it's immature and mean towards the people in that community to sabbotage through voting for someone not because of the book but other factors.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
March 26 2009 13:18 GMT
#73
On March 26 2009 18:51 Vilda wrote:
I'm no longer staff at gg.net.


you can be my secretary if you want

VILDA! COLLATE THE RAP LYRICS

VILDA, WHERE IS MY NINE OCLOCK? THESE NEWBIES ARENT GONNA FLAME THEMSELVES YOU KNOW
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Jusciax
Profile Joined August 2007
Lithuania588 Posts
March 26 2009 14:35 GMT
#74
On March 26 2009 21:58 Loffeman wrote:
Schnake, Yes and I hope that everyone will do the same. Unfortenately there seems to be a lot of people who doesn't read the books but just vote for Klaz because of his commentaries and I think that is stupid. As I said yes it follows the rules at authonomy but we all know that it's not what they intended to happen and therefor it's immature and mean towards the people in that community to sabbotage through voting for someone not because of the book but other factors.

I see what you're saying but bitter truth is that most popularity contests are like that. I would be shocked if even 1 out of top100 books were voted purely by people who read it and liked it. Klazarts book might have higher percentage of voters that didn't read it, but I doubt all of them didn't. I'd also like best books to win, but sadly success equation has popularity in it and that's not going to change.
Loffeman
Profile Joined June 2007
Sweden105 Posts
March 26 2009 14:37 GMT
#75
True but that won't stop me from complaining on those stupid people who does that. Probably won't make much of a diffierence but at least it feels good
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-26 16:43:19
March 26 2009 16:42 GMT
#76
Well, I disagree that the influx of Starcraft people and Klazart fans is "wrecking their community."

Perhaps it's the catalyst of this whole thing, but they're just overreacting. Next month, trolls and ridiculous Klazart fans will probably lose interest, and then it will be business as usual on Authonomy, except with more people to give feedback and such.
achap54
Profile Joined March 2009
United States49 Posts
March 26 2009 18:06 GMT
#77
Klazart's book is still in sixth place.

No wonder. From 9:00 a.m. US Eastern Daylight Savings Time this morning to 2:00 p.m., Klazart's votes went from 1311 to 1329. Is he planning another surge in the last day or two? Five days to go until the contest closes for the month.
This too shall pass
inlagdsil
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada957 Posts
March 26 2009 18:26 GMT
#78
On March 27 2009 03:06 achap54 wrote:
Klazart's book is still in sixth place.

No wonder. From 9:00 a.m. US Eastern Daylight Savings Time this morning to 2:00 p.m., Klazart's votes went from 1311 to 1329. Is he planning another surge in the last day or two? Five days to go until the contest closes for the month.

He was in fifth place at least twice. He keeps getting pushed down because veterans are voting for the other top books in order to keep him our of top 5. Now that the ranking system has been fixed (I went from being number 257 to 2952) the vets have much more voting power and I doubt that they will ever let klaz make top 5. Not that it matters, the reward is just a crappy book report written by a twelve year old and a guaranteed rejection.
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Floodgate
Profile Joined March 2009
10 Posts
March 26 2009 19:35 GMT
#79
BTW, now that the ruckus has died down a bit, I'm glad that I at least learnt about Starcraft. I played WoW for a few months, got mega rich, but bored and a tad peeved at some of the ... impulsive ... players. Starcraft looks like a great strategy game - I'll be buying a copy. Any advice for a complete noob, e.g. start with the original game? Point me to the thread, wiki, whatever, or is that off-topic?
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6635 Posts
March 26 2009 19:38 GMT
#80
On March 27 2009 04:35 Floodgate wrote:
BTW, now that the ruckus has died down a bit, I'm glad that I at least learnt about Starcraft. I played WoW for a few months, got mega rich, but bored and a tad peeved at some of the ... impulsive ... players. Starcraft looks like a great strategy game - I'll be buying a copy. Any advice for a complete noob, e.g. start with the original game? Point me to the thread, wiki, whatever, or is that off-topic?

Take a look in the Broodwar and Strategy forums. You buy the game in a box set thing that has Starcraft and the expansion Broodwar, I recommend you start playing with Broodwar.
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