Klazart and Authonomy - Page 4

Vilda said...

I think all - or at least most - of you, have blown this out of proportion.

I actually sat down and read through everything that's been said here, and this whole discussion makes me so tired. I don't know everything about how this site works, and I happen to be one of the people who didn't sign up to vote for Klazart's book, but the way you reason around the rules when it comes to spreading the word to your friends is making me frustrated.

You say you have your community here, that you have a way to deal with trolls and a way that your forums and community works. Of course you do, but the more people who join up with your site, the more people can and most likely will give you the feedback you're all looking for when you post your work here. Are you upset because your own work isn't "backed up without reading" or are you upset because your work isn't climbing as fast as Klazart's? It sounds to me like you are only looking for a way to get him out, so you can get your own work up faster again. And yet some of you state you don't see this as a competition.

This clearly IS a game, a competition. A competition for a company to maybe sign your books, or at least for the feedback you can get from them. How can it be wrong to want to get there, when that's the reason (I believe) many of you joined the site in the first place? If the book (as some of you have presented here) isn't good, I doubt the company will publish it. What Klazart is looking for (I've heard him say this himself) is some feedback, what can help him make it better.

Also it makes me down right pissed off the way some/most of you speak of our (the Starcraft- ) community. How can the people who Klazart has come in contact with in some way online the last years not be counted for just because it is online and/or a gaming community? How can you even begin to think that someone creating 100 accounts to make his book rise in the rankings to be the same thing as posting somewhere online to get people whom you've given a lot to to give something back to you? I could say right now that it is easier to create 100 accounts on the site even using proxies, than to accomplish what Klazart has for the Starcraft community, and/or for the people who watches his videos.

I take personal offence by the people in these comments who seem to mentions that the "klazartians" are all male gamer nerds who never read books. I'm a female college student who spends more time reading books than I do on playing Starcraft, and I'm currently studying English Creative Writing, which makes me consider myself a writer. The stereotype you paint out for the people who just joined your site to check out a book of someone they have talked to or watched online - as your rules clearly not only states but encourage people to do - is plain hilarious.

I also find it funny how no one complained about the rules or lack of them, until now. Some posts include a "I've been saying this all along" comment, but apparently it wasn't enough to make you leave until someone actually manage to get up to that top5 you speak of, faster than you have. Most of you say that you have posted on your blogs, on facebook and other ways and it happens to be that youtube is a place where Klazart ventilate and puts his thoughts. Maybe he doesn't put it in the same format you do on the above mentioned sites, but that is what he's doing there. You also tend put us all in the same box with other labels, such as "people who live in their mother's basement", you mention the "level of blind idealism in today's youth", and with comments such as "you could market the book by pairing it with "Ten sure-fire ways to kiss a girl before you're thirty." This makes me take this site and its followers even less serious than I did when I first heard about this whole flamewar, just a couple of days ago.

If you call the people on this site your friends, and you call it a core community, I see no reason not to stay in touch with them even if you have left the site. Some of you mention leaving, but also having a hard time with it, because of the friends you have made here. If you like the community and have friends there, stay, if it's not worth it, leave. Klazart's book hasn't changed anything, just made a fault in the rules and ways of the site more obvious.

How can you think that Klazart being a gamer changes anything. Does he not deserve being published, or even getting the feedback from the publishers because of that? Seriously. If you really disagree with what he's done, feel free to say so, but don't claim he did something wrong just because you wouldn't have gotten the backup his book got. Saying things such as "You may get it published, but the writing community will never support it." (what community by the way, from what I know this site isn't the only one out there, and not big enough to contain every writer out there either.) or "You've become a pariah to those who try to get published in a classy and ethical manner." won't change the fact that if he gets published I'm sure it'll be for a good reason, and not only because of him having a lot of people believing in his book. Calling him out for not being ethically correct, or even saying that his book is really bad will not give you anything, most likely not even the satisfaction of getting back at him.

Lastly: Maybe some day I'll have enough faith in a site like this to put my own work up there, and when that day comes, I'll do what I can to get what I want - getting published - as anyone else here is/should be doing.

Rick, thank you, you seem to be a reasonable person.

dalecoz, I'm glad to see someone actually can look forward from this, and realise that every person in each community is a person him or herself, not just a part of a group labelled with writer or gamer.