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SnowFantasy
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
But... Please... can someone tell me what the darned rush is about? He doesn't need to rush. | ||
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 26 2009 07:51 Klaz wrote: Na, it's very close, I have to be in the top 5 at the end of the month Why? What's the rush? Where's the fire? | ||
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Floodgate
10 Posts
On March 27 2009 04:38 jello_biafra wrote: Take a look in the Broodwar and Strategy forums. You buy the game in a box set thing that has Starcraft and the expansion Broodwar, I recommend you start playing with Broodwar. Thanks, and thanks to Snow Fantasy, much appreciated. | ||
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 26 2009 15:41 Qeet wrote: god, i read the comment from banana (2nd above vilda), thats pretty fucked up.. people only reading others books and flattering for months just to increase their own books ranking? sounds like hell to me. no surprise some of them are really pissed after your success. Okay... from this comment do I deduce that you don't believe in working hard for something that you want? I don't think so. I've been on Auth for six months. I've known for a while that it was mostly a glorious time waster, but I've picked up some useful tips. But it is hard work if you want to be noticed and read. Or it was. Actually, Auth is the least labour intensive of all the sites. I don't flatter. I only back books that I would actually go out and pay for in the shops. I tend to only comment on books that I enjoy. I firmly believe that if I can't find something constructive to say, it's better to say nothing at all. Just because I don't like something, that's my opinion. I'm no technical whiz... so I cannot offer the view of an editor, I can only comment from the point of view of someone who spends a small fortune on books every year. To be clear what Auth is and what it is not. It's an electronic slush pile. Nothing less, nothing more. The point of reading and backing is that the pile was supposed to read itself, instead of having lots of office minions do it with real manuscripts delivered to offices every day. There isn't a prize guaranteeing you a contract. Every top five pick so far has been a No. And if you're hoping for an amazing crit from the "Editors".... some folk have been doomed to dreadful disappointment. Some of the reviews have been pants (to put it mildly). But people have been willing to work at it. | ||
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 26 2009 21:51 General Nuke Em wrote: It appears that the folks in charge at the website have banned new users from backing Klazart's book because I just registered and was able to "back" other shitty books but not Klazart's. An attempt to back Klazart's book pops up with a message saying "too many requests from this computer." edit - Hrm, appears it affects other books randomly actually. Server's having another hissy fit. | ||
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Rayzorblade
United States1172 Posts
On March 27 2009 04:39 Mockingbird wrote: Not all of us are snooty about things. I'm pretty laid back, but I have to say, if you vote for the book without even bothering to read any of it, then you are confirming what snoots are saying. Please don't give them justification. But... Please... can someone tell me what the darned rush is about? He doesn't need to rush. | ||
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 27 2009 01:42 Zozma wrote: Well, I disagree that the influx of Starcraft people and Klazart fans is "wrecking their community." Perhaps it's the catalyst of this whole thing, but they're just overreacting. Next month, trolls and ridiculous Klazart fans will probably lose interest, and then it will be business as usual on Authonomy, except with more people to give feedback and such. Less.... because some folk have pulled out... not necessarily for the reason of Klazart's arrival. Indeed, I've decided to stay on a bit longer because of the fresh injection of new readers. Not sure it will ever be business as usual again to be honest. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
It also seems that he has some distrust of the feedback he would get from the regulars on the website, because he has a poor opinion of the whole system. If you try to walk in his shoes a bit, you can see that he doesn't feel like he's rushing things... he doesn't believe that there's anything useful to him there other than being in the top five and getting his work read by a pro. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On March 27 2009 05:27 Zozma wrote: Well, the way I understand it, Klazart has fixed his eye on the feedback from a professional editor, and he wants to go straight there without stopping to smell the roses. It also seems that he has some distrust of the feedback he would get from the regulars on the website, because he has a poor opinion of the whole system. If you try to walk in his shoes a bit, you can see that he doesn't feel like he's rushing things... he doesn't believe that there's anything useful to him there other than being in the top five and getting his work read by a pro. The system may indeed be "flawed", but let's face it - it works just like real life. It's all about who you know and how many friends you have. No matter what sort of system authonomy implements, as long as it depends on interrelations between users, they can't avoid this simple truth. | ||
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Klaz
Ireland334 Posts
I don't really have much faith in the system. While there may be some people there who do give genuine feedback, it's difficult to know who to trust and who to not. For me the fact that the people at the top are also the people who have been most active in "giving feeback" and backing other books is no coincidence. And everything that has happened over the past few days, the reactions and all the rest has only re-enforced this view. I'm probably not going to be in the top 5 this month, and the "elders" have enough power to repeat the same thing next month unless I play their game, which I don't really want to. So it's back to plan B. | ||
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CDRdude
United States5625 Posts
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 27 2009 05:27 Zozma wrote: Well, the way I understand it, Klazart has fixed his eye on the feedback from a professional editor, and he wants to go straight there without stopping to smell the roses. It also seems that he has some distrust of the feedback he would get from the regulars on the website, because he has a poor opinion of the whole system. If you try to walk in his shoes a bit, you can see that he doesn't feel like he's rushing things... he doesn't believe that there's anything useful to him there other than being in the top five and getting his work read by a pro. To be frank, pro is a fairly unreliable term... read what passes for gold star crits by the "pros" of Authonomy. I've seen better Eng Comp homework by twelve year olds. And often the gold star crits tell you precisely nothing useful. But.... the site has some real heavy hitters who are pros in the world of critique. There are a couple of professional critics who write for newspapers, a few editors, and some agents. all of which will be more helpful than anything he will score from the ED. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:18 Mockingbird wrote: Then tell him that! I didn't say I agree with him, and I don't disagree with him either. I just don't know. All I'm saying is that if I understand what he thinks, that's what he thinks. To be frank, pro is a fairly unreliable term... read what passes for gold star crits by the "pros" of Authonomy. I've seen better Eng Comp homework by twelve year olds. And often the gold star crits tell you precisely nothing useful. But.... the site has some real heavy hitters who are pros in the world of critique. There are a couple of professional critics who write for newspapers, a few editors, and some agents. all of which will be more helpful than anything he will score from the ED. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:13 CDRdude wrote: Is plan B to draw a lot of attention to yourself, so that everyone wants to read your book? Nope, that was Plan A. Plan B is a bit more drastic. | ||
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Vilda
Sweden111 Posts
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Mockingbird
United Kingdom33 Posts
On March 27 2009 05:41 Klaz wrote: yup, I don't really have much faith in the system. While there may be some people there who do give genuine feedback, it's difficult to know who to trust and who to not. For me the fact that the people at the top are also the people who have been most active in "giving feeback" and backing other books is no coincidence. And everything that has happened over the past few days, the reactions and all the rest has only re-enforced this view. I'm probably not going to be in the top 5 this month, and the "elders" have enough power to repeat the same thing next month unless I play their game, which I don't really want to. So it's back to plan B. It's dead easy to spot the useful crits. They're the ones that tell you unpalatable truths. The ones who say: This is good. That is bad. More of this. Less of that. Message JayG. You will get 3,500 words on your ms.... and it will be completely devoid of flannel, or sucking up. You may need to sit down whilst reading it, because he pulls no punches whatsoever. I'm not wild about the guy, but he's published, so he has some reference. NickP. Again, I'm not over keen on the guy, but he knows writing. These guys are real pros, with real knowledge who can help you. | ||
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achap54
United States49 Posts
Also, the long time Authonomy users have regained their voting power (apparently the thirty day rolling average aspect of the voting power formula has kicked in). Has the balance of power shifted? Maybe. But Klazart has mentioned a plan B? As they say, it's not over until it's over. Five days to go. | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On March 27 2009 06:43 Vilda wrote: I heard that FakeSteve guy is really funny maybe i should write a book | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
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