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On March 28 2009 13:07 stack wrote:
can we not vote him up.
He's already got sufficient attention for his book by trying to game the crappy system to get another crappy book out there. Write something good and I'll support it - there's too much shit out there as it is.
can't have your cake and eat it.
Are you sure it's crappy? to me it looked pretty promising.
Anyway, do as you please 
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The youtube subscription update gets sent out on saturday. A certain number of people will watch the video when that update gets sent. Perhaps it will be enough to pull klazart through.
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On March 28 2009 14:26 inlagdsil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2009 13:07 stack wrote:
can we not vote him up.
He's already got sufficient attention for his book by trying to game the crappy system to get another crappy book out there. Write something good and I'll support it - there's too much shit out there as it is.
can't have your cake and eat it. Are you sure it's crappy? to me it looked pretty promising. Anyway, do as you please
Klazart's book has promise. He's missed a big trick by circumventing the part that would have helped him hone and polish the ms, but that's his choice. He wants the gold star review, quite what he thinks he's going to do with it (or what it is going to do for him when he gets it), I am not at all certain, but I am fairly certain that he's going to be somewhat disappointed when it happens. The gold star review is a bit like a joke with no punchline... you keep waiting for something amazing to happen... and it doesn't.
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On March 28 2009 17:58 Mockingbird wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2009 14:26 inlagdsil wrote:On March 28 2009 13:07 stack wrote:
can we not vote him up.
He's already got sufficient attention for his book by trying to game the crappy system to get another crappy book out there. Write something good and I'll support it - there's too much shit out there as it is.
can't have your cake and eat it. Are you sure it's crappy? to me it looked pretty promising. Anyway, do as you please Klazart's book has promise. He's missed a big trick by circumventing the part that would have helped him hone and polish the ms, but that's his choice. He wants the gold star review, quite what he thinks he's going to do with it (or what it is going to do for him when he gets it), I am not at all certain, but I am fairly certain that he's going to be somewhat disappointed when it happens. The gold star review is a bit like a joke with no punchline... you keep waiting for something amazing to happen... and it doesn't.
They better be careful with a review of Klazart's novel and put some effort into it. Otherwise I see angry gamer mobs with torches and pitchforks set loose... Well, any PR is better than no PR... :D
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He seems to have been stuck at number six for awhile now...
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On March 28 2009 13:54 f10esqftw wrote:
Kindof an interesting guerilla warfare going on. If Klazart's fans were a zerg swarm, the authonomy regulars have built a bunker and have all their scvs repairing it. This is so awesome. LOL!
I don't think he'll make top 5! The regulars have united! This sure was interesting to follow.
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I've been on Authonomy since last November. My book, Savannah Passion, presently sits in forty-first position. I've reviewed hundreds of book excerpts posted on Authonomy. In my opinion, Klazart's book is well above average compared to those I've read on Authonomy.
I've made major revisions to my book three time on the way to it's present position. As Mockingbird has said, Klazart initially missed the opportunity to get suggestions from Authonomy authors to polish his book before it hit the editor's desk. But, he's starting to get critiques from Authonomy regulars and those reviews could help him revised his book.
If Klazart doesn't get to the editor's desk this month, he'll start next month in first position and he's likely to make it that month. With an extra month, Klazart will garner more reviews from Authonomy regulars, many of which will contain helpful suggestions.
Edit: Grammar
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Have there ever been any known authors who got published from this thing? I feel like there's so much fuss going on for maybe nothing? I mean, I've been published before but I'm not even proud of the fact at this point, I hardly made any money, and nobody cares about it. So I'm thinking Mockingbird, although sounding sort of listless about this whole thing, is pretty much right on the money. Nothing really significant/great is going to come out of this, so just relax and don't take it so seriously.
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On March 29 2009 01:06 Xeris wrote:
Have there ever been any known authors who got published from this thing? I feel like there's so much fuss going on for maybe nothing? I mean, I've been published before but I'm not even proud of the fact at this point, I hardly made any money, and nobody cares about it. So I'm thinking Mockingbird, although sounding sort of listless about this whole thing, is pretty much right on the money. Nothing really significant/great is going to come out of this, so just relax and don't take it so seriously.
The advance on a first book of commercial fiction is meger in the United States. I have no idea what a typical advance is for a first book of commercial fiction in Britian. The advances go up book by book as long as the author's reader base increases. Generally they go up slowly.
In romance (my genre) fifty percent of authors who sell one book don't ever sell another book.
The people who make a decent living writing commercial fiction are few. The people who make a killing at it are rare.
Is it about the money? I doubt it.
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On March 29 2009 01:06 Xeris wrote:
Have there ever been any known authors who got published from this thing? I feel like there's so much fuss going on for maybe nothing? I mean, I've been published before but I'm not even proud of the fact at this point, I hardly made any money, and nobody cares about it. So I'm thinking Mockingbird, although sounding sort of listless about this whole thing, is pretty much right on the money. Nothing really significant/great is going to come out of this, so just relax and don't take it so seriously.
Hello, I found this thread after googling my name to see where I'm being mentioned, and was amazed to find my poem on one of the threads. Thanks to whoever posted it.
In answer to the above Q. - I've been on authonomy since last September. authonomy had only been online for a month or so before that. So known authors wouldn't have been published from it as it hasn't been going long enough.
In any case, none of the top 5 winners who got reviews (it happens each month) have been published as a result of being winners, and I don't think any of them have been published at all.
3 authors who had books on authonomy got publishing contracts but I think I'm correct in saying at least one of them had an agent who was instrumental in that working out for them, rather than their presence on authonomy being any crucial factor in their success.
The editors 'reviews' are largely not worth the paper they aren't written on. Once a book gets the review hardly anyone on authonomy ever visits that book again.
The 'peer' reviews by folk trying to rise in the ranks are similarly useless. They aren't going to say anything bad to anyone they perceive as potentially valuable to them, and often if someone makes a genuine crit (as I did - never having any expectations of the 'race' ) the result is a vituperative and aggressive response from an aggrieved author.
I removed my books shortly after the influx of newbies, because I was sickened at the unpleasant response to people I saw as potential readers.
My silly poems were ironically doing quite well - but they have a loyal readership on their own blog anyway (75,000 + visitors so far) and I have now settled my book into its own blog with about 20 readers a day. I am keeping an eye on what happens on authonomy as there are some books I am enjoying - Lesser Sins being one of them.
But as far as it being a pathway to success.
Maybe it is but in the same way Stars in Their Eyes is a pathway to singing fame and fortune 
so Not - really.
edited to remove unintentional smiley from parenthesis.
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United States4146 Posts
post link of ur blog or pm it, u humble u
welcome to tl.net : ) hope u visit every now and then
it would be a pleasure to have another sentient individual with such good nature to drop by every now and then
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On March 29 2009 01:06 Xeris wrote:
Have there ever been any known authors who got published from this thing? I feel like there's so much fuss going on for maybe nothing? I mean, I've been published before but I'm not even proud of the fact at this point, I hardly made any money, and nobody cares about it. So I'm thinking Mockingbird, although sounding sort of listless about this whole thing, is pretty much right on the money. Nothing really significant/great is going to come out of this, so just relax and don't take it so seriously.
You may not care about your own writing, but other people take theirs pretty seriously, and expect others to do so as well.
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On March 26 2009 04:11 fanatacist wrote:
I think this topic has honestly been beaten to a gluey pulp after failing to finish first in a horse race. What else could be discussed here? They have made an apology, an announcement, and Klazart's book is still up on the site. I think a fair verdict has been arrived at, and that any further discussion should happen at authonomy, for authonomy.
this...
seriously y do we care so much about something happening at another site completely unrelated to us about a guy that's not even part of the tl community... i mean yeah itwas interesting but i think the topic's been over done already like fanatacist said
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why are we starting up this bs topic again?
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United States4126 Posts
Klaz dropped back down to 6 today :/
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The regulars are vote blocking him
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How does the system work? His book is on more bookshelves and watchlists than any of the books in the top 5. Yet it's not in the top 5?
They have a pretty much messed up system there at authonomy.
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On March 30 2009 09:22 baubo wrote:
How does the system work? His book is on more bookshelves and watchlists than any of the books in the top 5. Yet it's not in the top 5?
They have a pretty much messed up system there at authonomy.
A book rises on the charts based on 'shelving' (also known as backing). To support a book an Authonomy user places it on their bookshelf and a vote for the book is secretly tallied by HC. The size of the vote tallied when a person shelves a book depends on their Talent Spotter Rank. The better a person is at spotting talent, the more valuable their support is.
At this point, the book can be removed from the user's bookshelf, but the vote for the book remains. Since many people back several books over the course of a week and there are only five spots on their bookshelf, people tend to rotate books through their bookshelf.
Thus, the number of shelves a person's book presently sits on isn't an accurate reflection of the number of votes they have received. Klazart's tally is the exception, as few of his supporters have rotated their bookshelves.
The number of watchlists a book is on doesn't directly figure in the voting. Indirectly, it does as being on a watchlist generally indicates an interest in reading the book which will often translate into a vote later on.
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Thanks for the explanation. So since the SC people don't have "talent spotter rank", their votes basically don't count? Well, that kind of sucks.
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i can see how that would work but isnt the general audiance meaning book buying citizens in general shouldnt their vote count for something even though the people at the site are definetly more profesional isnt being seen by the general public even more important then just a few authors, im not saying everyone should like the book/dislike the book im just saying shouldnt just random visitors who legitimitly like the book get a decent vote
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