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MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 02 2009 19:20 GMT
#101
On February 03 2009 03:26 Cloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 03:18 minus_human wrote:
this is so stupid
why can't people be just glad they're alive
I honestly don't think I would want to blame anyone after a near death experience that is obviously accidental


What, its totally unethical for people to feel angry after a near death experience? Maybe it was an accident, but it was definitely not the passengers accident.

Maybe its not unethical, but i for one would not be very angry, i'd be fucking happy that i'd even be alive.
And they got money and stuff too. They just got their greed mode on and decided to profit from it.

For some of those people, the flight was probably the best thing happened to them this year.
I mean they got 8000 for basically free? Maybe losing a bit of luggage
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 19:34:56
February 02 2009 19:33 GMT
#102
Relief immediately after the accident, youre thankful to the pilot, but, afterwards? once you get yourself together and start rationalizing? Is the pilot just thankful as well? He almost dies just the same as everyone else, and you?
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KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
February 02 2009 19:35 GMT
#103
On February 03 2009 04:02 choboPEon wrote:
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On February 03 2009 03:38 oneofthem wrote:
as far as i can remember this is the second time a citation to the new york post has occurred on tl. i guess people outside of new york don't know about the peculiar nature of that rag.


for the sake of those outside of the city, let me make it clear:

the new york post is one of, if not the, worst paper in the country. but they come up with some funny headlines sometimes.



Heh, I can agree with this sentiment. You get better and more informed news out of the Onion.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 02 2009 19:42 GMT
#104
On February 03 2009 02:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On February 03 2009 00:16 Oystein wrote:
On February 03 2009 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i'd personally want more than $8000 dollars and upgrades for a year. I wouldn't fly for over a year if this happened to me, and until it happens to you, you will not know how traumatic something like this actually is.

How many people on this board have actually been in a crash quite like the one last month. Lets not forget they crashed into a freezing hudson river, it's not like their luggage came out of the plane all perfect. Though it was the birds fault you are not going to take birds to court...

So lets say a bird crashes into your windshield when your driving your car, and you drive out of the rode and into a river and survive, your gonna go around suing the people who sold you the car or someone else just cuz you are having troubles from it afterward?? That could be traumatic also but you cant go around demanding money just because your life dont run perfect, shit happens in life and its dangerous to live.


That situation isn't applicable. When you are flying you are in the care and responsibility of these airlines. When you hit a bird and your windshield cracks and you crash you pay for it. Yah your insurance might help out, but that's something you have to take care of.

The idiocy from you in threads increases daily.

And I agree with Physician, though no-one can calculate the cost of the trauma from an incident like this, there is still a number of commodities that are not going to be salvaged from the plane, and if they are they are no longer of us to you since everything is contaminated with the Hudson River (shits gross lol).

Man reading posts like this makes me happy im born in my part of the world and not in the US, and I guess this sort of things are expected when you have a society where you are all alone and nobody taking care of you in case you were somehow unlucky in life, and that forces people to be greedy just to be able to take care of themselves. Where I live whoever was involved in this would get tons of hours at shrinks and lots of followup if needed after the incident etc and maybe I am just taking this for granted because of where I live and Americans actually needs to sue to be able to afford shit like that.

Your talking about idiocy when you are the one who think its OK to sue someone who have NO responsibility for what happened? Its a fucking freak accident that noone had any control over... If you think its OK to sue someone innocent you have something seriously wrong in your view of the world. (Should they have done something wrong its another thing)

Money aint everything in life, and these of all people who have faced a near death experience off everyone, should realize there is more to life instead of using this tragedy for a personal economic gain.

I guess if you live in a country were people are able to sue for hot coffee, suing for an air crash seems totally warranted.
God Hates a Coward
DreaM)XeRO
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Korea (South)4667 Posts
February 02 2009 20:00 GMT
#105
fucking typical greedy fucks
cw)minsean(ru
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 02 2009 20:04 GMT
#106
i actually read the post pretty often. for the sports and ironically entertaining editorials. i wish they would bring back the ny sun though, surely these zionists have enough money
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
February 02 2009 20:09 GMT
#107
Great post Oystein, just my thoughts.
The airline has done nothing wrong, should in no logical way be sued.

Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Flaccid
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
8848 Posts
February 02 2009 20:13 GMT
#108
On February 03 2009 02:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
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On February 03 2009 01:46 Flaccid wrote:
On a related note, did the families of 9/11 victims ever bring a lawsuit against American Airlines or United Airlines in response to poor security screening or loss of life or anything like that?


That's not even related either... jesus where are you people coming from?!


I was asking a question, not making a point. Calm down.

Anywho, the relation is an outside force infringing on this 'contract of safe travel' apparently afforded to people who get on a plane. And like this whole bird thing, it creates an argument of how much the airline could have done to prevent it. It's actually reasonable to say that the whole terrorist thing was *more* in their control than this so called 'act of nature'. Plus there were (obviously) more significant consequences.

So that seems more like a situation where people would be justified in brining on lawsuits. But if they didn't, why not? And why do it now? Just curious, is all.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
February 02 2009 20:15 GMT
#109
Unless the airline is to blame, they should pay nothing.
Xusneb
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada612 Posts
February 02 2009 20:20 GMT
#110
Isn't there some sort of law against this thing? Actually maybe I'm just dreaming in my ideal world now. These airline companies should get people to sign some document that waives them of responsibility of certain freak accidents - stating that technical malfunctions (or flocks of geese) statistically can always occur, under any circumstance. You get into any engineered vehicle and you could die from any number of mishaps. It's the way the world works.
If you want to be happy, be. - Leo Tolstoy
hixhix
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1156 Posts
February 02 2009 20:22 GMT
#111
It's totally fine to sue for the trauman that those American passengers got. They just need to sue the birds, not the airline company.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
February 02 2009 20:26 GMT
#112
I'll take the $8k if they don't want it =(
May the BeSt man win.
dream-_-
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1857 Posts
February 02 2009 20:38 GMT
#113
The "Be glad your alive" argument doesn't really work in this situation I'm sorry.

OP is obviously an idiot here, but I still agree that the 'benefits package' was plenty, considering the airline was ruled to be not at fault. Could just as easily blame the passengers and make them reimburse the airline.
Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
February 02 2009 20:42 GMT
#114
i dont get what everyone is so fussed about, yeah they're greedy, like a lot of people(some would argue most people) but just because they are suing doesn't mean they will win a penny
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 20:51:19
February 02 2009 20:47 GMT
#115
On February 03 2009 02:47 KissBlade wrote:
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On February 02 2009 19:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
especially when people are suing for millions over spilled hot coffee



I'm not certain if I agree with the "typical American " comment either but doesn't that coffee comment just prove his point on greed? It does seem a bit greedy to me whenever people sue for psychological trauma because it's difficult to assuage the damage done but I'm not in their shoes. However, I'm not certain this is a good time to be asking big businesses to hand out financial compensation. Something like permanent upgrade seems more appropriate to me.

People joke about the hot coffee, but the McDonald's lawsuit was completely justified. I'm pretty sure most of the posters on this forum were too young at the time to actually understand what happened, myself included.
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http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm

No one is in favor of frivolous cases of outlandish results; however, it is
important to understand some points that were not reported in most of
the stories about the case. McDonalds coffee was not only hot, it was
scalding -- capable of almost instantaneous destruction of skin, flesh
and muscle.

...

After receiving the order, the grandson pulled his car forward and
stopped momentarily so that Liebeck could add cream and sugar to her
coffee. (Critics of civil justice, who have pounced on this case, often
charge that Liebeck was driving the car or that the vehicle was in
motion when she spilled the coffee; neither is true.) Liebeck placed
the cup between her knees and attempted to remove the plastic lid from
the cup. As she removed the lid, the entire contents of the cup spilled
into her lap.

The sweatpants Liebeck was wearing absorbed the coffee and held it next
to her skin. A vascular surgeon determined that Liebeck suffered full
thickness burns (or third-degree burns) over 6 percent of her body,
including her inner thighs, perineum, buttocks, and genital and groin
areas. She was hospitalized for eight days, during which time she
underwent skin grafting. Liebeck, who also underwent debridement
treatments, sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds
refused.

...

McDonalds also said during discovery that, based on a consultants
advice, it held its coffee at between 180 and 190 degrees fahrenheit to
maintain optimum taste. He admitted that he had not evaluated the
safety ramifications at this temperature. Other establishments sell
coffee at substantially lower temperatures, and coffee served at home is
generally 135 to 140 degrees.

Further, McDonalds' quality assurance manager testified that the company
actively enforces a requirement that coffee be held in the pot at 185
degrees, plus or minus five degrees. He also testified that a burn
hazard exists with any food substance served at 140 degrees or above,
and that McDonalds coffee, at the temperature at which it was poured
into styrofoam cups, was not fit for consumption because it would burn
the mouth and throat.

...

Plaintiffs' expert, a scholar in thermodynamics applied to human skin
burns, testified that liquids, at 180 degrees, will cause a full
thickness burn to human skin in two to seven seconds. Other testimony
showed that as the temperature decreases toward 155 degrees, the extent
of the burn relative to that temperature decreases exponentially. Thus,
if Liebeck's spill had involved coffee at 155 degrees, the liquid would
have cooled and given her time to avoid a serious burn.
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mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
February 02 2009 20:51 GMT
#116
pretty sure if no one is found to be at fault you can't sue anyone. passengers are just being a buncha jerks.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 02 2009 20:53 GMT
#117
On February 03 2009 03:12 Kwark wrote:
For those saying that they lost their luggage, the airline lost a plane and you don't see them bitching.

Spoken like a college student. When we both have jobs and are carrying laptops and expensive documents and expensive suits, I guarantee we'd both be bitching about it.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
February 02 2009 20:59 GMT
#118
it'd be foolish for the passengers to assume no risk when boarding a plane anyway. it's not like your 100% safe when you do anything. sure if the plane crash landed because a mechanic left a wrench in the engine or something you could sue and stuff but otherwise it's a ridiculous situation to be suing the airline.
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
eStoniaNBoY
Profile Joined December 2002
Switzerland439 Posts
February 02 2009 21:07 GMT
#119
I would sue the pilot, because I bet there were people on board who desperately wanted to die and their chance got taken away from them by some lousy pilot who wanted to show off his skills. I believe some people actually believe that this was their way to say good bye to this World and clearly this airline and staff is responsible for not letting it happen.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 21:18:07
February 02 2009 21:17 GMT
#120
On February 03 2009 05:47 Jibba wrote:
"Liebeck ... sought to settle her claim for $20,000, but McDonalds
refused."

And that might have covered her medical treatments..

Anyway, even if there was some wrongdoing in her case, the amount of the judgement has for better or worse made it a lodestone for anti-suit sentiment.

But I'm all for some sort of tort reform. When you see a doctor with a seven figure judgement against him for fusing the wrong two vertebrae on a patient whose obesity made it difficult to count down to the correct one by feel (true story) it makes you wonder. Then those costs (defrayed by rather large malpractice insurance payments) get passed on to anyone who sees a doctor. This then leads to people not understanding the costs involved with running a practice and feeling perfectly fine not paying (leading to collection rates of 60% if the doctor is lucky) those greedy fucks. [/not exactly objective]

I blame the lawyers for everything.
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