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il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
February 02 2009 17:38 GMT
#81
I can see that it's not the airline's fault but you can't make them ride one of your planes after a crash
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 17:52:43
February 02 2009 17:47 GMT
#82
On February 02 2009 19:28 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
especially when people are suing for millions over spilled hot coffee



I'm not certain if I agree with the "typical American " comment either but doesn't that coffee comment just prove his point on greed? It does seem a bit greedy to me whenever people sue for psychological trauma because it's difficult to assuage the damage done but I'm not in their shoes. However, I'm not certain this is a good time to be asking big businesses to hand out financial compensation. Something like permanent upgrade seems more appropriate to me.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 17:58:39
February 02 2009 17:57 GMT
#83
On February 03 2009 00:16 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i'd personally want more than $8000 dollars and upgrades for a year. I wouldn't fly for over a year if this happened to me, and until it happens to you, you will not know how traumatic something like this actually is.

How many people on this board have actually been in a crash quite like the one last month. Lets not forget they crashed into a freezing hudson river, it's not like their luggage came out of the plane all perfect. Though it was the birds fault you are not going to take birds to court...

So lets say a bird crashes into your windshield when your driving your car, and you drive out of the rode and into a river and survive, your gonna go around suing the people who sold you the car or someone else just cuz you are having troubles from it afterward?? That could be traumatic also but you cant go around demanding money just because your life dont run perfect, shit happens in life and its dangerous to live.


That situation isn't applicable. When you are flying you are in the care and responsibility of these airlines. When you hit a bird and your windshield cracks and you crash you pay for it. Yah your insurance might help out, but that's something you have to take care of.

The idiocy from you in threads increases daily.

And I agree with Physician, though no-one can calculate the cost of the trauma from an incident like this, there is still a number of commodities that are not going to be salvaged from the plane, and if they are they are no longer of us to you since everything is contaminated with the Hudson River (shits gross lol).
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 02 2009 17:59 GMT
#84
On February 03 2009 01:46 Flaccid wrote:
On a related note, did the families of 9/11 victims ever bring a lawsuit against American Airlines or United Airlines in response to poor security screening or loss of life or anything like that?


That's not even related either... jesus where are you people coming from?!
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
February 02 2009 18:06 GMT
#85
On February 03 2009 02:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 01:46 Flaccid wrote:
On a related note, did the families of 9/11 victims ever bring a lawsuit against American Airlines or United Airlines in response to poor security screening or loss of life or anything like that?


That's not even related either... jesus where are you people coming from?!



Actually it does sorta relate but how did the terrorists get in?
CSN
Profile Joined February 2009
United States175 Posts
February 02 2009 18:08 GMT
#86
how many people would actually have enough free time to use that free 1 year ride for more than 2 or 3 times year anyway.
"you posting only about sports here makes you a non-contributing member, and therefor, your arrogant attitude towards him is not good humor, just you being a prick." -kazius
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 18:15:05
February 02 2009 18:11 GMT
#87
On February 03 2009 02:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 00:16 Oystein wrote:
On February 03 2009 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i'd personally want more than $8000 dollars and upgrades for a year. I wouldn't fly for over a year if this happened to me, and until it happens to you, you will not know how traumatic something like this actually is.

How many people on this board have actually been in a crash quite like the one last month. Lets not forget they crashed into a freezing hudson river, it's not like their luggage came out of the plane all perfect. Though it was the birds fault you are not going to take birds to court...

So lets say a bird crashes into your windshield when your driving your car, and you drive out of the rode and into a river and survive, your gonna go around suing the people who sold you the car or someone else just cuz you are having troubles from it afterward?? That could be traumatic also but you cant go around demanding money just because your life dont run perfect, shit happens in life and its dangerous to live.


That situation isn't applicable. When you are flying you are in the care and responsibility of these airlines. When you hit a bird and your windshield cracks and you crash you pay for it. Yah your insurance might help out, but that's something you have to take care of.

The idiocy from you in threads increases daily.

And I agree with Physician, though no-one can calculate the cost of the trauma from an incident like this, there is still a number of commodities that are not going to be salvaged from the plane, and if they are they are no longer of us to you since everything is contaminated with the Hudson River (shits gross lol).
There is an assumed risk when you go onto an airline, and that is a legal thing. They can sue, it just will fail miserably. A better example is someone getting into the car of his friends, and being driven around during the winter. They skid on black ice. They live, no one is hurt. The car is not even seriously damaged. You can sue the driver, but you will fail, unless you can prove it was their fault that they skidded on the black ice. There is an assumed risk when you are being driven by another, especially in certain hazardous conditions. The pilot in real life did nothing wrong, the airline was not at fault.

Edit: Didn't know about the planes being too close. In this case...I don't know. The case is not so clear cut, and the American system has proven itself to be 100% flawed in the past, with people winning claims over coffee. So it's up in the air really.

Edit2: that was a bad pun
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44060 Posts
February 02 2009 18:12 GMT
#88
Sometimes shit happens and it's nobodies fault. Unless the airline was to blame for there being birds in the sky I don't think they should pay them shit. They were almost killed by an act of God and the skill and experience of the airlines pilot saved them. They should be grateful, not thinking "I can't sue God when bad stuff happens, I'll sue somebody else".
The $8k is a nice gesture and more than enough. For those saying that they lost their luggage, the airline lost a plane and you don't see them bitching.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 02 2009 18:14 GMT
#89
Im sure as hell theyre bitching at whatever ecologist they hired to prevent exactly this.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
February 02 2009 18:18 GMT
#90
this is so stupid
why can't people be just glad they're alive
I honestly don't think I would want to blame anyone after a near death experience that is obviously accidental
hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
February 02 2009 18:22 GMT
#91
On February 03 2009 01:46 Flaccid wrote:
On a related note, did the families of 9/11 victims ever bring a lawsuit against American Airlines or United Airlines in response to poor security screening or loss of life or anything like that?

I thought almost the same. Or did they made a lawsuit against the United States for endangering the lives of its citizens with low security measures on the airports back in 9/11?
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 02 2009 18:26 GMT
#92
On February 03 2009 03:18 minus_human wrote:
this is so stupid
why can't people be just glad they're alive
I honestly don't think I would want to blame anyone after a near death experience that is obviously accidental


What, its totally unethical for people to feel angry after a near death experience? Maybe it was an accident, but it was definitely not the passengers accident.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
February 02 2009 18:28 GMT
#93
On February 03 2009 03:06 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 02:59 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On February 03 2009 01:46 Flaccid wrote:
On a related note, did the families of 9/11 victims ever bring a lawsuit against American Airlines or United Airlines in response to poor security screening or loss of life or anything like that?


That's not even related either... jesus where are you people coming from?!



Actually it does sorta relate but how did the terrorists get in?



Sorry I forgot the birds got on the plane before it took off with the intent to take the plane down, making this a great comparison.

On February 03 2009 03:11 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2009 02:57 Amber[LighT] wrote:
On February 03 2009 00:16 Oystein wrote:
On February 03 2009 00:09 Amber[LighT] wrote:
i'd personally want more than $8000 dollars and upgrades for a year. I wouldn't fly for over a year if this happened to me, and until it happens to you, you will not know how traumatic something like this actually is.

How many people on this board have actually been in a crash quite like the one last month. Lets not forget they crashed into a freezing hudson river, it's not like their luggage came out of the plane all perfect. Though it was the birds fault you are not going to take birds to court...

So lets say a bird crashes into your windshield when your driving your car, and you drive out of the rode and into a river and survive, your gonna go around suing the people who sold you the car or someone else just cuz you are having troubles from it afterward?? That could be traumatic also but you cant go around demanding money just because your life dont run perfect, shit happens in life and its dangerous to live.


That situation isn't applicable. When you are flying you are in the care and responsibility of these airlines. When you hit a bird and your windshield cracks and you crash you pay for it. Yah your insurance might help out, but that's something you have to take care of.

The idiocy from you in threads increases daily.

And I agree with Physician, though no-one can calculate the cost of the trauma from an incident like this, there is still a number of commodities that are not going to be salvaged from the plane, and if they are they are no longer of us to you since everything is contaminated with the Hudson River (shits gross lol).
There is an assumed risk when you go onto an airline, and that is a legal thing. They can sue, it just will fail miserably. A better example is someone getting into the car of his friends, and being driven around during the winter. They skid on black ice. They live, no one is hurt. The car is not even seriously damaged. You can sue the driver, but you will fail, unless you can prove it was their fault that they skidded on the black ice. There is an assumed risk when you are being driven by another, especially in certain hazardous conditions. The pilot in real life did nothing wrong, the airline was not at fault.

Edit: Didn't know about the planes being too close. In this case...I don't know. The case is not so clear cut, and the American system has proven itself to be 100% flawed in the past, with people winning claims over coffee. So it's up in the air really.

Edit2: that was a bad pun


Actually in America you can sue the driver in your scenario if there was a good reason and you will typically win in a settlement (obviously won't go to court no one is that stupid). It is their fault for not driving safely, which is ingrained in every driver when they attempt to obtain a drivers license. And I'm not saying that the pilot should be sued, he's a hero, but the airline is still technically at fault (well hence the settlement). I mean there's not much they can do now, but I am saying I would have wanted more than $8000 and premiums for a year. Maybe if you got to pick and choose like 5 discounted flights over 20 years that would be sweet.

"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Ancestral
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3230 Posts
February 02 2009 18:29 GMT
#94
On February 03 2009 02:33 Physician wrote:
- a lap top, maybe a cellphone, my weeks worth paper work and maybe lost work, my luggage, lost time until next flight, having to go through the dreaded debriefing, my phucking luggage and everything in it.. and that's if I didn't lose anything of real value might have been carrying..
- dunno, maybe I am "greedy" but 8k sounds measly..

Just a question - are you sure they lost their luggage? Luggage is often not on the same plane as the passengers. And are you sure they were not compensated separately if they did lose valuables?

I suppose if they were not compensated separately, $8k isn't huge, but it's almost surely worth more than the stuff they lost.

The people are definitely being greedy, but who knows, maybe when they sure for infinity billion dollars, they really need it because their mother needs a serious operation that costs infinity billion dollars, and they personally know the CEO of the airline and he is actually a child rapist.
The Nature and purpose of the martial way are universal; all selfish desires must be roasted in the tempering fires of hard training. - Masutatsu Oyama
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 02 2009 18:38 GMT
#95
as far as i can remember this is the second time a citation to the new york post has occurred on tl. i guess people outside of new york don't know about the peculiar nature of that rag.

the case is not so much greed as bad management. should have given the complainers more and hush them up better.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-02 18:44:36
February 02 2009 18:42 GMT
#96
WHERE IS THE NEGLIGENCE?

edit: seriously. Stop assigning rewards before you show the airline is at fault.
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 02 2009 18:51 GMT
#97
Yeah, dont settle for a bit more until you actually gather that this was intentional and then you can sue to own the airline.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
February 02 2009 18:59 GMT
#98
maybe understandable if you were on that plane crashing down the river -_-

though the airline doing what they need to in order to keep their customers.

nothing too outrageous from either side imo~
Xellos <3
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
February 02 2009 19:02 GMT
#99
On February 03 2009 03:38 oneofthem wrote:
as far as i can remember this is the second time a citation to the new york post has occurred on tl. i guess people outside of new york don't know about the peculiar nature of that rag.


for the sake of those outside of the city, let me make it clear:

the new york post is one of, if not the, worst paper in the country. but they come up with some funny headlines sometimes.
:O
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
February 02 2009 19:08 GMT
#100
On February 03 2009 03:18 minus_human wrote:
this is so stupid
why can't people be just glad they're alive
I honestly don't think I would want to blame anyone after a near death experience that is obviously accidental

Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
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