Wouldn't you be happy for your team if they won 100-0 in a basketball game? That shows they're good but it can also be a humiliation for the losing team. Who cares though?
Well read this article. article. They want to forfeit their win because they feel bad for the other team. T.T
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DALLAS -- A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.
Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.
Samantha Peloza grabs a rebound in practice a week after their 100-0 win. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened," Kyle Queal, the head of the school, said in a statement, adding the forfeit was requested because "a victory without honor is a great loss."
The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.
A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.
"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."
Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.
Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.
There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.
"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."
In the statement on the Covenant Web site, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."
Covenant coach Micah Grimes did not immediately respond to a message left by The Associated Press on Thursday.
Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner."
Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."
At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.
"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."
Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.
"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."
Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? Their is even a parent who believe they should have backed off. Fuck you, your daughter sucks and that's it.
It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they were playing a school that "specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia."
It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
On January 24 2009 07:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they were playing a school that "specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia."
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
That's not what he's criticizing. I'm pretty sure he's criticizing their apparently patronizing tone.
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
i'm not quite sure, but is sounds like hippie mentality to me
IMO, would rather get raped by someone at their best then to be losing, then have them go easy on me so that i feel better. Its like falling behind in SC, then instead of just killing you your opponent dims down his play to just barely beat you. Would feel worse about the latter.
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
The American attitude that is taught and drilled to the mind of every student is "Everybody's a winner, and everybody can do everything!".
Reminds me of when Canada's Woman's hockey team was raping face left, right, and center and they got a shitload of heat for running up the score at the Winter Olympics.
This is why chick sports suck. Like when the softball girl injured her leg sliding into third base, and the opposing team walked her home, for the winning point. (Looking for article)
Last time i checked dyslexia doesn't make you suck at basketball. Just like that dress doesn't make you look fat you being fat makes you look fat, fatty.
This is plain retarded... you dont give wins away for free.. thats disrespectful... you get em out of the same league and put em in the hall of fame or something but u dont forfeit in purpose wtf kinda sport"girl"ship is that?
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
The American attitude that is taught and drilled to the mind of every student is "Everybody's a winner, and everybody can do everything!".
Beats China's, 'You're all fucking losers, give us your money' LOL!
Seriously though, what the hell is a team with learning disabilities doing in a regular league
On January 24 2009 07:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they were playing a school that "specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia."
Since when is dyslexia a handicap in sports? This isn't bad at all. The bad school should have never scheduled their team to play against a team with real players.
I think that they should have backed off, it is just good sportsman ship. It would be like playing someone in a 1:1 and no matter how far ahead you are not crushing them. Then after like 40 mins of raping there tiny army when they come out, you finally attack with fully upgraded probes and some arbs, and you recall probes.
The coach that allowed that to happened should be fired. It's common courtesy and sportsmanlike conduct to stop running up the score (start putting in 2nd's and such, starting shooting long shots) as soon as it's clear the game is yours.
This is a terrible way of making up for it however, a formal apology would have been good enough.
On January 24 2009 08:36 sith wrote: The coach that allowed that to happened should be fired. It's common courtesy and sportsmanlike conduct to stop running up the score (start putting in 2nd's and such, starting shooting long shots) as soon as it's clear the game is yours.
This is a terrible way of making up for it however, a formal apology would have been good enough.
That is so asinine. Who's to say that they didn't pull the starters? Why should a coach lose his job because he was instructing the girls to do what they're supposed to do in basketball (score)? That's stupid. And they clearly had a team goal of scoring 100 points, that's why they stopped killing them with about 4 minutes to go. It's not too often that you get to score 100 points in HS basketball, so when you get the chance, you make it happen. You know who should be fired (if someone MUST be fired, which I don't think is necessary)? The administrator from the other team that put a D class team against a real varsity team.
On January 24 2009 07:51 Fontong wrote: It is just rude that they are apologizing so profusely too. It really sounds terrible to me, "Sorry we fucking owned your asses on the court we are SOOO sorry. Even though we raped you you can still have the win, ok?"
They are just stuck up imo.
Exactly. What the hell is up with up "Everybody's a winner, nobody's a loser" mentality". There are winners and there losers. Period.
The American attitude that is taught and drilled to the mind of every student is "Everybody's a winner, and everybody can do everything!".
Beats China's, 'You're all fucking losers, give us your money' LOL!
Seriously though, what the hell is a team with learning disabilities doing in a regular league
I need to get around to switching my country sometime.
The apology is ridiculous. Good sportsmanship consists of not complaining when you lose, not gloating when you win, and not taking it personally either way. You don't need to apologize for being vastly more skilled than your opponent and you don't need to go easy on them either. Maybe the losing team is owed an apology from someone (for being put in that situation), but not from the winners.
On January 24 2009 08:22 AlphaxOmega wrote: This is why chick sports suck. Like when the softball girl injured her leg sliding into third base, and the opposing team walked her home, for the winning point. (Looking for article)
you dont pull this kind of crap in sports. at any level.
in baseball, if anybody tried to run up the score, you can guarentee players will be thrown at, hard slides, etc etc. in basketball my guess is there would be hard fouls and the like.
but then again, this is girls sports. and to have a differential of 100 points, its probably not a competitive league either.
On January 24 2009 08:28 InfeSteD wrote: This is plain retarded... you dont give wins away for free.. thats disrespectful... you get em out of the same league and put em in the hall of fame or something but u dont forfeit in purpose wtf kinda sport"girl"ship is that?
Exactly. In fact this is way more disrespectful because they where playing to get the score up to 100 wich was not so friendly in first place. I mean once youre winning 50-0 its obvious that theres something unbalanced in the game and that reaching 100 is not a like a valid goal.
well I just think all you people that think the apology is stupid is because you're all tainted by how people act in SC (ie. you never see someone apologize for owning someone real bad in SC)
but I think forfeiting the match is taking it a bit too far. I really doubt the losing girls' team wants that much pity
Obviously a case of poor sportsmanship as it's an unspoken rule of mutual respect to not run up the score against a defeated opponent. That said, I'm not sure how I feel about how much positive reinforcement the losing team is getting for being completely and utterly defeated in the game. Being invited to watch a Mavs game in a suite for losing a game by 100-0? C'mon...
Winners go home and fuck the prom queen who becomes pregnant and has a life of ruin for the both of them. The losers put a gun to their mouths and end it early.
On January 24 2009 07:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they were playing a school that "specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia."
No problem then. The losing team has either already forgotten about the loss or thinks the score was 100-0 in their favor.
It's just ettiquitte. Full court press when the other team hasn't scored a point? Really? Or did I read that wrong.
Anyway it's like taking a shot at the end of the game when you're already going to win in the NBA, it can piss people off. Or walking a hitter on purpose when you have a 10 run lead.
On January 24 2009 09:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Winners go home and fuck the prom queen who becomes pregnant and has a life of ruin for the both of them. The losers put a gun to their mouths and end it early.
Lol, I hope this was recorded i wanna watch the game
In my opinion, its an insult to go easy on another opponent, or just "play around" if you feel like you have won the game. It's just like making pylon hearts in Starcraft.
If you treat your opponent as a equal opponent regardless of their performance, at least you are respecting them. If you go easy on them, you don't even show them the same respect as another player; but that of something inferior
How fucking smug of them to offer a forfeit.. obviously they can't (and shouldn't) change the game to a forfeit, it's just a way for the winning team to act like their classy. That was also one of the reasons it got so much media attention.
i feel like shit more when i lose to someone who isn't trying at all than being completely owned by someone who is trying to the best of their abilities.
I think the reason they suck so bad is: "Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school.". With almost half the school on the team you dont really have the ability to get to choose the most talented players. But if you know you are going to get owned and still sign up I dont see why anyone should care if you get owned or not. Someone is going to finish last in every game, competition ect. If you dont want to finish last quit, but then someone else is going to finsih last and so on. When I played football (I think I was 10 or so) we once lost a game with 16-0. Next time we played them we beat them with 7-2. Getting badly beaten didnt crush our tiny hearts or scar us for life.
I think this stems from the fact that there have been some kinda high publicized incidents with high school sports (I think the last case was in football where a team wins by some huge margin then gets a backlash against them. Plus they are christian schools so they don't want that kind of image of them being such idiots. Basically they should have rested starters by half and not pressed for turnover so they wouldn't be in this situation. I like the other story recently where a team played a team from a detention hall for high schoolers where the other team had half their fans root for the other team and gave them a sense for actually having a "home game" and that people care.
You don't play a full court press against a team that you outclass. It's tasteless and they should be ashamed of it.
I can only imagine how pathetically bad the losing team must have been. They shouldn't have even been in the same division in the first place, but if the game had to be played, the coach should have had some sense and changed the defense rather than being a prick and cheering them on to 100, as if it was an achievement.
On January 24 2009 10:15 Eatme wrote: I think the reason they suck so bad is: "Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school.". With almost half the school on the team you dont really have the ability to get to choose the most talented players. But if you know you are going to get owned and still sign up I dont see why anyone should care if you get owned or not. Someone is going to finish last in every game, competition ect. If you dont want to finish last quit, but then someone else is going to finsih last and so on. When I played football (I think I was 10 or so) we once lost a game with 16-0. Next time we played them we beat them with 7-2. Getting badly beaten didnt crush our tiny hearts or scar us for life.
This.
Their loss had nothing to do with dyslexia, their "learning differences" aren't "learning disabilities" and it's not like they're playing against a school for the mentally challenged. Their loss stemmed from an extremely small pool of potential contenders.
It's similar to how it was with my high school sports teams. Each of the schools have their athletes, and it's simply by luck that you'll get a good player on your team because he lives in the area and attends that school. However, there was a private school in my area (De La Salle, anyone in the Bay Area has heard of them) that is famous for its excellent sports teams. While the high schools in my region were always somewhat competitive with one another, none could hope to be anywhere as good as De La Salle because that was a school that offered athletic scholarships for high school enrollment (treatment usually reserved for colleges and universities), meaning they were always able to pick and choose the best players over a much larger area than any local high school.
It's kid sports, not real competition. You're not supposed to allow steamrolling like that. It's poor sportsmanship, how can you not understand this?
My ghetto high school waterpolo team had 8 players. We played "ironman"; the whole team played the whole game, every game. Meanwhile schools that had more white kid pool boys averaged about 20 players. So they had fresh swimmers every 2 minutes, and bleachers packed with cheering, even at away games. We couldn't fill seats at home. We got rolled a lot because there just wasn't enough players/interest.
It is like stabbing someone til he/she is near dead, then going "my I'm sorry... I'll leave you alone now. Thank me for leaving you alive!" while knowing that the person is going to die anyway.
On January 24 2009 11:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: lmao this is like giyom coming back and you are jaedong and you rape him 3-0 yet forfeit because you felt sorry for him
um no its more like boxer just 8 raxing the blind guy and killing him as fast as possible
On January 24 2009 11:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: lmao this is like giyom coming back and you are jaedong and you rape him 3-0 yet forfeit because you felt sorry for him
um no its more like boxer just 8 raxing the blind guy and killing him as fast as possible
On January 24 2009 11:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: lmao this is like giyom coming back and you are jaedong and you rape him 3-0 yet forfeit because you felt sorry for him
um no its more like boxer just 8 raxing the blind guy and killing him as fast as possible
On January 24 2009 11:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: lmao this is like giyom coming back and you are jaedong and you rape him 3-0 yet forfeit because you felt sorry for him
um no its more like boxer just 8 raxing the blind guy and killing him as fast as possible
If the opponents gave a shit about being humiliated why didn't they just forfeit at half time when the score was 50+ to 0? Its a competition, play to win and give it your all. Besides I have a feeling this team was so outclassed that the other team wasn't even trying that hard in the first place.
The problem here wasn't so much the team winning 100-0, or even the team losing 100-0. It was that the administration of the losing school, knowing full well that they would be fielding a varsity basketball team more or less held together with duct tape, decided that scheduling a game with a perennial powerhouse in that area was a good idea.
On January 24 2009 10:56 HeadBangaa wrote: It's kid sports, not real competition. You're not supposed to allow steamrolling like that. It's poor sportsmanship, how can you not understand this?
My ghetto high school waterpolo team had 8 players. We played "ironman"; the whole team played the whole game, every game. Meanwhile schools that had more white kid pool boys averaged about 20 players. So they had fresh swimmers every 2 minutes, and bleachers packed with cheering, even at away games. We couldn't fill seats at home. We got rolled a lot because there just wasn't enough players/interest.
Honest question, did you mind getting "rolled"?
I haven't played soccer since I was like.. 12? But I barely remember the wins, while I have fond memories of many of our losses (dirt pitch + rain + being the goalkeeper vs a better team... oh man so fun ).
I honestly don't get what's so bad about losing, and I'd never think to blame the other team for beating me too hard. What the hell, ever since the first day I started playing SC seriously I've been trying to play people better than me - losing is fun, it motivates you, keeps you pushing harder.
Blah, wimps today!
Btw, I'd probably be more embarassed by the other team starting to soft-play (in a serious match) than them continuing to take you seriously until the very end.
On January 24 2009 11:49 GTR-2-Go wrote: lmao this is like giyom coming back and you are jaedong and you rape him 3-0 yet forfeit because you felt sorry for him
um no its more like boxer just 8 raxing the blind guy and killing him as fast as possible
....
Hahaha, or go for the nuke rush.
Didn't boxer lift his CC during said match?
yeah but thats like going easy...which is cute...
Didn't Boxer lift his CC because he was dying to the blind guys ling rush? (BoxeR had to play with a blind-fold on for the first...... minute of the game I think? Maybe 30 seconds, something like that).
what a fuckin joke, can you believe people are going to be telling their kids that they once raped a team so hard that they had to apologize? the coach trying to "forfeit the win" after allowing a 100-0 victory in god damn basketball is a slap in the face and i'd say fuck you coach fuck you right in your ass
The team that lost got alot of attention too, Mark Cuban, owner of Dallas Mavericks offered them a suite to watch a home game. Thats baller right there
On January 24 2009 13:53 yubee wrote: what a fuckin joke, can you believe people are going to be telling their kids that they once raped a team so hard that they had to apologize? the coach trying to "forfeit the win" after allowing a 100-0 victory in god damn basketball is a slap in the face and i'd say fuck you coach fuck you right in your ass
Okay, take it from me. My school never won a sports game for like two years. We were TERRIBLE. We were a new school, so we started off our history by being "the easiest team to beat." Every football game, we'd be down 50-0 at least by halftime. I was on the tennis team and our team never won a match as a team once. Usually in the team games, the other teams would take the gas off the pedal after halftime and put in the 4th string to let them have a game b/c you've already secured victory and you risk less injury. In my tennis matches, when I played the state champion, he proceeded to just demolish me. But one-on-one is different than team games as you can have subs.
I can sort of relate to HeadBangaa, my Basketball team was ghetto as hell, and we played with 5-8 players through the whole season, we also had practice like once a week if any, so we played as many league games as we had practices, but unlike water polo, it's possible to ironman a match and still have steam at 4th qtr.
As you can imagine we got rolled quite a few times, and it never bothered us, we always went in with a winning mentality and never let a team take pity on us. The problem here was that the losing team probably quit at the end of the first quarter, which is truly unsportsmanlike, if you take every loss as a opportunity to practice a sport you love and improve, then, like my team, at the end of the year you will be MUCH better and may end up winning a few of the last games, even though they don't matter league wise they matter in the long run.
so to the winning team, fuck you for offering a forfeit, that is disrespectful as hell, especially since you didn't give a flying crap when you were playing. and congratulations on the win, you won because you trained harder and played better.
to the losing team, i refer you to Rekrul's post, or just stfu about it and improve
Tss, what the hell? :p "Ok gurlies, you suck and we apologize for kicking your asses and we would like to forfeit the game because hey everybody is good at everything" ?? THat's just plain wrong, it's their fault that they didn't score a single point. Just get better, but don't start all this bullshit :p
On January 24 2009 08:22 AlphaxOmega wrote: This is why chick sports suck. Like when the softball girl injured her leg sliding into third base, and the opposing team walked her home, for the winning point. (Looking for article)
PORTLAND, Ore. - With two runners on base and a strike against her, Sara Tucholsky of Western Oregon University uncorked her best swing and did something she had never done, in high school or college. Her first home run cleared the center-field fence.
But it appeared to be the shortest of dreams come true when she missed first base, started back to tag it and collapsed with a knee injury.
She crawled back to first but could do no more. The first-base coach said she would be called out if her teammates tried to help her. Or, the umpire said, a pinch runner could be called in, and the homer would count as a single.
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Then, members of the Central Washington University softball team stunned spectators by carrying Tucholsky around the bases Saturday so the three-run homer would count — an act that contributed to their own elimination from the playoffs.
Central Washington first baseman Mallory Holtman, the career home run leader in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference, asked the umpire if she and her teammates could help Tucholsky.
The umpire said there was no rule against it.
So Holtman and shortstop Liz Wallace put their arms under Tucholsky’s legs, and she put her arms over their shoulders. The three headed around the base paths, stopping to let Tucholsky touch each base with her good leg.
“The only thing I remember is that Mallory asked me which leg was the one that hurt,” Tucholsky said. “I told her it was my right leg and she said, ‘OK, we’re going to drop you down gently and you need to touch it with your left leg,’ and I said ‘OK, thank you very much.”’
“She said, ‘You deserve it, you hit it over the fence,’ and we all kind of just laughed.”
“We started laughing when we touched second base,” Holtman said. “I said, ’I wonder what this must look like to other people.”’
“We didn’t know that she was a senior or that this was her first home run,” Wallace said Wednesday. “That makes the story more touching than it was. We just wanted to help her.”
Holtman said she and Wallace weren’t thinking about the playoff spot, and didn’t consider the gesture something others wouldn’t do.
As for Tucholsky, the 5-foot-2 right fielder was focused on her pain.
“I really didn’t say too much. I was trying to breathe,” she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.
“I didn’t realize what was going on until I had time to sit down and let the pain relax a little bit,” she said. “Then I realized the extent of what I actually did.”
“I hope I would do the same for her in the same situation,” Tucholsky added.
As the trio reached home plate, Tucholsky said, the entire Western Oregon team was in tears.
Central Washington coach Gary Frederick, a 14-year coaching veteran, called the act of sportsmanship “unbelievable.”
For Western Oregon coach Pam Knox, the gesture resolved the dilemma Tucholsky’s injury presented.
“She was going to kill me if we sub and take (the home run) away. But at the same time I was concerned for her. I didn’t know what to do,” Knox said.
Tucholsky’s injury is a possible torn ligament that will sideline her for the rest of the season, and she plans to graduate in the spring with a degree in business. Her home run sent Western Oregon to a 4-2 victory, ending Central Washington’s chances of winning the conference and advancing to the playoffs.
“In the end, it is not about winning and losing so much,” Holtman said. “It was about this girl. She hit it over the fence and was in pain, and she deserved a home run.”
On January 24 2009 10:56 HeadBangaa wrote: It's kid sports, not real competition. You're not supposed to allow steamrolling like that. It's poor sportsmanship, how can you not understand this?
My ghetto high school waterpolo team had 8 players. We played "ironman"; the whole team played the whole game, every game. Meanwhile schools that had more white kid pool boys averaged about 20 players. So they had fresh swimmers every 2 minutes, and bleachers packed with cheering, even at away games. We couldn't fill seats at home. We got rolled a lot because there just wasn't enough players/interest.
Honest question, did you mind getting "rolled"?
I haven't played soccer since I was like.. 12? But I barely remember the wins, while I have fond memories of many of our losses (dirt pitch + rain + being the goalkeeper vs a better team... oh man so fun ).
I honestly don't get what's so bad about losing, and I'd never think to blame the other team for beating me too hard. What the hell, ever since the first day I started playing SC seriously I've been trying to play people better than me - losing is fun, it motivates you, keeps you pushing harder.
It never really bothered us, no. Like, if we lost a match, no big deal. There was another school in our district that had only slightly better turnout for waterpolo. They were also scant on white students (only white kids swim competitively: buoyancy and culture, who cares). When we would lose badly, the game would turn into a drill, just like with these basketball chicks.
We had an intense practice schedule. Tuesday/Thursday: 6am - 9am, Mon/Tuesday/Thursday: 4pm - 8pm. After I graduated, they found out those hours were illegal; we were "practicing too much." haha. I remember some guys broke down during practice... either crying or just throwing a tantrum here or there. We were pushed hard.
Everyone on the team was pretty yoked, though. It was the best shape I've ever been in.
On January 24 2009 08:22 AlphaxOmega wrote: This is why chick sports suck. Like when the softball girl injured her leg sliding into third base, and the opposing team walked her home, for the winning point. (Looking for article)
PORTLAND, Ore. - With two runners on base and a strike against her, Sara Tucholsky of Western Oregon University uncorked her best swing and did something she had never done, in high school or college. Her first home run cleared the center-field fence.
But it appeared to be the shortest of dreams come true when she missed first base, started back to tag it and collapsed with a knee injury.
She crawled back to first but could do no more. The first-base coach said she would be called out if her teammates tried to help her. Or, the umpire said, a pinch runner could be called in, and the homer would count as a single.
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Then, members of the Central Washington University softball team stunned spectators by carrying Tucholsky around the bases Saturday so the three-run homer would count — an act that contributed to their own elimination from the playoffs.
Central Washington first baseman Mallory Holtman, the career home run leader in the Great Northwest Athletic Conference, asked the umpire if she and her teammates could help Tucholsky.
The umpire said there was no rule against it.
So Holtman and shortstop Liz Wallace put their arms under Tucholsky’s legs, and she put her arms over their shoulders. The three headed around the base paths, stopping to let Tucholsky touch each base with her good leg.
“The only thing I remember is that Mallory asked me which leg was the one that hurt,” Tucholsky said. “I told her it was my right leg and she said, ‘OK, we’re going to drop you down gently and you need to touch it with your left leg,’ and I said ‘OK, thank you very much.”’
“She said, ‘You deserve it, you hit it over the fence,’ and we all kind of just laughed.”
“We started laughing when we touched second base,” Holtman said. “I said, ’I wonder what this must look like to other people.”’
“We didn’t know that she was a senior or that this was her first home run,” Wallace said Wednesday. “That makes the story more touching than it was. We just wanted to help her.”
Holtman said she and Wallace weren’t thinking about the playoff spot, and didn’t consider the gesture something others wouldn’t do.
As for Tucholsky, the 5-foot-2 right fielder was focused on her pain.
“I really didn’t say too much. I was trying to breathe,” she told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.
“I didn’t realize what was going on until I had time to sit down and let the pain relax a little bit,” she said. “Then I realized the extent of what I actually did.”
“I hope I would do the same for her in the same situation,” Tucholsky added.
As the trio reached home plate, Tucholsky said, the entire Western Oregon team was in tears.
Central Washington coach Gary Frederick, a 14-year coaching veteran, called the act of sportsmanship “unbelievable.”
For Western Oregon coach Pam Knox, the gesture resolved the dilemma Tucholsky’s injury presented.
“She was going to kill me if we sub and take (the home run) away. But at the same time I was concerned for her. I didn’t know what to do,” Knox said.
Tucholsky’s injury is a possible torn ligament that will sideline her for the rest of the season, and she plans to graduate in the spring with a degree in business. Her home run sent Western Oregon to a 4-2 victory, ending Central Washington’s chances of winning the conference and advancing to the playoffs.
“In the end, it is not about winning and losing so much,” Holtman said. “It was about this girl. She hit it over the fence and was in pain, and she deserved a home run.”
Every side and especially the Dallas Academy team should read the whole Peanuts anthology. I mean comon, if Charlie Brown can lose ### to 0 every time and live with it, so can you. It's not like basketball is your whole life or something (at least I hope so).
On January 24 2009 07:46 GrandInquisitor wrote: It wouldn't have been so bad if it weren't for the fact that they were playing a school that "specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia."
if you read the article, you'll notice that the other team had some.... "special" girls
I don't think forfeiting is the right idea, just not intending to humiliate by constantly trying for three pointer shots. That's humiliating, both to the girls who make one in one in eight shots unguarded, and the one's who get scored on.
Also, most or all of these news articles come from yahoo news but they are still fun for discussing here, over yahoo for some reason
Its even worse for them to try to forfeit now. Like rubbing salt in a wound big time...
Also...
On January 24 2009 07:49 CharlieMurphy wrote: lol girls playing sports
On January 24 2009 07:52 TehKris wrote: Just shows that all hos have no heart and are bitches.
On January 24 2009 07:59 IntoTheWow wrote: Lol girls
Cmon, people. Think a little before you post? Honestly, think of an important woman in your life and consider if you would want her reading your posts.
If their school has TWELVE students total they should play in some recreational league or something. They're only wasting their own time and their opponent by playing people so superior to them.
It's almost like me trying to beat koreans on ICCUP, but probably have a slightly bigger chance.
On January 24 2009 07:59 IntoTheWow wrote: Lol girls
Cmon, people. Think a little before you post? Honestly, think of an important woman in your life and consider if you would want her reading your posts.
There is something called sport spirit or being polite whatever , i means that when u wil 100% win easily you let your opponent scoring just a litle bit. Still i dont get why they felt bad after 100 points and never thought they could play more "easy" which should have let loosers scoring a bit. I mean its basketball , scoring 2 points or 3 out of 100 whatever the team is not like beating boxer tvt rite?
I am a christian myself and this foolishness is not "christian-like." If you got beat 100-0, ok good, be thankful you played an opponent who punished you for your mistakes and take it as a learning experience, they did not get to that state of pure pwnage doing nothing, and all the hard work they put into their training showed off in that game, unlike the other team.
I swear to you that coach either spent time with the girls praying (not playing), eating chocolate, going to eat ice cream, field trip, whatever, and when it was time to play, it was simply humilliating.
non "christ-like" attitude is sitting at the corner crying and asking for the other team to give you an apology for the pwnage they supplied to you so you can boost your pride and morale up and never get any better.
if these "christians" are like this in their walk with the Lord, this thing would be serious stuff.
You don't have to face that much better opponents in basketball, or dont take it seriously. I mean some of my friends are in bascketball school-team and they throw 100 points to bad teams. The other school-teams of the town (except one maybe) know they don't have any chanse they either dont go to competition or wont feel bad because they lose, cuz it's obvious they are that much weaker. It's not like Iccup, you know who do you face, if you can't handle humiliation and getting raped dont play competitevly.
On January 24 2009 07:59 IntoTheWow wrote: Lol girls
Cmon, people. Think a little before you post? Honestly, think of an important woman in your life and consider if you would want her reading your posts.
My girlfriend would instantly agree on those 3 posts. She thinks the way I think, women shouldn't play mens sports, soccer, basketball, football and so on. My mother would also do so. I think those are the only women important to me.
Topic: WTF, if you are too bad dont sign into a league. Would be like ACE or eSTRO getting free wins because they get raped so often (in old PL format ofc )
This subject was the talk of the town around the D/FW(Dallas/Fort Worth) area. I'm glad this guy was fired. It is very unsportsman like. You don't just keep beating the team to death while having your starters do it. Throw in the worst line-up you have against the other team after they are down by 25 points as is. Well its over with and the alternative school got a new schedule for the remaining of the season.
On January 27 2009 05:31 Kennelie wrote: This subject was the talk of the town around the D/FW(Dallas/Fort Worth) area. I'm glad this guy was fired. It is very unsportsman like. You don't just keep beating the team to death while having your starters do it. Throw in the worst line-up you have against the other team after they are down by 25 points as is. Well its over with and the alternative school got a new schedule for the remaining of the season.
I must agree with you. When I played volleyball for my high school, we had to take it easy on a specific school who barely got their volleyball team started. A win is a win so there's no need to bring the stats of our starters up, or stomp the opposing team by a HUGE margin. Sports is about competition but in high school sports, its also about having fun and showing some respect (sportsmanship).
Whatever, I think this whole ordeal is fucking retarded. Every single bit of it.
They want to forfiet after wining 100-0... Pathetic. People think they're wrong for playing the game and winning 100-0... Pathetic. The Coach got fired for his team winning... Pathetic
I know a lot of people disagree with the fact that I don't think i team should ever let up regardless if it's 535 to 0.... In my personal opinion it's poor sportmanship to "go easy" or "let up"... If you can't lose don't play. It doesn't fucking matter if you lose by a million points or one tenth of a point, you still fucking lose, don't cry over the detail just fucking improve. It's a disgrace to the game and any competitive nature to "let up" just because someone might get embarressed or sad or whatever. Don't play if you can't take that risk.
Now sure, theres prolly a great argument for why the fuck this game took place in the first place, unless it's for some fundraiser or something? If it was indeed a COMPETITION then there is no excuse for any of this and those who are fragile shouldn't play so GTFO and STFU. Now if it's "special" girls versus normal "girls"..... What's the point to begin with? Fire the game organizer not the coach? This is like telling me that I shouldn't play poker against people who don't know how to play well? Oh I should give the money I won at the end back?
Meh maybe I just don't have any concern or respect for anything along the lines of getting "embarressed" or "feeling sorry" and ect over something as simple and useless as a basic competition. It always annoys me when sports fan takl about a team being disrespectful for still participating in the game properly even when they are up far enough. F dat 100-0 every time no mercy
As someone who used to coach junior basketball, I think this is pretty poor form, but it has been blown out of proportion. To say it was shameful and digusting is a bit much.
On January 27 2009 05:31 Kennelie wrote: This subject was the talk of the town around the D/FW(Dallas/Fort Worth) area. I'm glad this guy was fired. It is very unsportsman like. You don't just keep beating the team to death while having your starters do it. Throw in the worst line-up you have against the other team after they are down by 25 points as is. Well its over with and the alternative school got a new schedule for the remaining of the season.
I must agree with you. When I played volleyball for my high school, we had to take it easy on a specific school who barely got their volleyball team started. A win is a win so there's no need to bring the stats of our starters up, or stomp the opposing team by a HUGE margin. Sports is about competition but in high school sports, its also about having fun and showing some respect (sportsmanship).
Wouldn't it be more respect to bring your A game, making them feel that they are a challenging team? By sending a B team out you essentially are saying, "You won't even beat our bench warmers, why run our starters?" I'm not one who is like, oh were winning by 50, lets throw our weak players out there to let them even it up.
There are times you sub out people to prevent injury/let newer players show their game, but i find it completely disrespectful to not bring your A team every time (with limited exceptions, exhibition matches normally) because you essentially are saying that the other team isn't worth your time.
Its kind of sad that people fired the coach over it for doing his job. You could call if poor form to not let off, but i would say that from part of the article that alot of people were cheering still at the game, and most of the losers were stating they didn't really worry about it, i don't see why everyone is so into having the coach fired =/.
I mean a good example is in american football, when the cardinals played the patriots in week 16, NE was up like, 40+-0 at one point, and everyone was complaining how the cardinals didn't even try (even though they were in the playoff's). They lost alot of respect for not bring their A team to the field, so i don't see why we should disrespect said team/coach for playing their best =/.
Lol there was a poll on the article regarding the fired coach it was something like
Poll: The winning coach should have (Vote): Allowed the opposing team to score (Vote): Encourage his team to keep the pressure on (Vote): Feel embarassed that the game got out of hand
On January 24 2009 07:42 ilistis wrote: Wouldn't you be happy for your team if they won 100-0 in a basketball game? That shows they're good but it can also be a humiliation for the losing team. Who cares though?
Well read this article. article. They want to forfeit their win because they feel bad for the other team. T.T
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DALLAS -- A Texas high school girls basketball team on the winning end of a 100-0 game has a case of blowout remorse.
Now officials from The Covenant School say they are trying to do the right thing by seeking a forfeit and apologizing for the margin of victory.
Samantha Peloza grabs a rebound in practice a week after their 100-0 win. "It is shameful and an embarrassment that this happened," Kyle Queal, the head of the school, said in a statement, adding the forfeit was requested because "a victory without honor is a great loss."
The private Christian school defeated Dallas Academy last week. Covenant was up 59-0 at halftime.
A parent who attended the game told The Associated Press that Covenant continued to make 3-pointers -- even in the fourth quarter. She praised the Covenant players but said spectators and an assistant coach were cheering wildly as their team edged closer to 100 points.
"I think the bad judgment was in the full-court press and the 3-point shots," said Renee Peloza, whose daughter plays for Dallas Academy. "At some point, they should have backed off."
Dallas Academy coach Jeremy Civello told The Dallas Morning News that the game turned into a "layup drill," with the opposing team's guards waiting to steal the ball and drive to the basket. Covenant scored 12 points in the fourth quarter and "finally eased up when they got to 100 with about four minutes left," he said.
Dallas Academy has eight girls on its varsity team and about 20 girls in its high school. It is winless over the last four seasons. The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.
There is no mercy rule in girls basketball that shortens the game or permits the clock to continue running when scores become lopsided. There is, however, "a golden rule" that should have applied in this contest, said Edd Burleson, the director of the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools. Both schools are members of this association, which oversees private school athletics in Texas.
"On a personal note, I told the coach of the losing team how much I admire their girls for continuing to compete against all odds," Burleson said. "They showed much more character than the coach that allowed that score to get out of hand. It's up to the coach to control the outcome."
In the statement on the Covenant Web site, Queal said the game "does not reflect a Christ-like and honorable approach to competition. We humbly apologize for our actions and seek the forgiveness of Dallas Academy, TAPPS and our community."
Covenant coach Micah Grimes did not immediately respond to a message left by The Associated Press on Thursday.
Queal said school officials met with Dallas Academy officials to apologize and praised "each member of the Dallas Academy Varsity Girls Basketball team for their strength, composure and fortitude in a game in which they clearly emerged the winner."
Civello said he appreciated the gesture and has accepted the apology "with no ill feelings."
At a shootaround Thursday, several Dallas Academy players said they were frustrated during the game but felt it was a learning opportunity. They also said they are excited about some of the attention they are receiving from the loss, including an invitation from Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban to see an NBA game from his suite.
"Even if you are losing, you might as well keep playing," said Shelby Hyatt, a freshman on the team. "Keep trying, and it's going to be OK."
Peloza said the coach and other parents praised the Dallas Academy girls afterward for limiting Covenant to 12 points in the fourth quarter. She added that neither her daughter nor her teammates seemed to dwell on the loss.
"Somewhere during that game they got caught up in the moment," Peloza said of the Covenant players, fans and coaches. "Our girls just moved on. That's the happy part of the story."
Am I the only one that thinks this is stupid? Their is even a parent who believe they should have backed off. Fuck you, your daughter sucks and that's it.
The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia.
These are disadvantaged kids who already feel like life sucks... you want to tell them they suck to their face?
Now tell me... what's the difference between TELLING someone they suck and smashing them 100-0 in a basketball game? Not much.
The kids on the opposing team should have realised what the situation was and appropriately adjusted the tone of the game to make it more relaxed. It's not like they were going to lose. It's like playing a bunch of 10 y.o. in rugby and tackling them hard every time they get the ball. There's no need for it....
It has already been said they have learning difficulties, no physical disabilities at all. What was your point again? I think this is just again the stupid dogma of political correctnes, letting the weaker gain points or even win which is just wrong. It fucks up the reality and I don't see any justification for it at all. Same goes for quotas and shit like that. (Which are justified IF there is any disadvantage one on side, which you can't overcome by !effort and skill!, and I can't see any disadvantages on the "special girls" team just the one with being the lesser players)
On January 27 2009 11:04 MaZza[KIS] wrote: It's like playing a bunch of 10 y.o. in rugby and tackling them hard every time they get the ball. There's no need for it....
See, that's where this whole problem is coming from. Just because they have learning disabilities(which you don't even know the specifics or severity of), you insist on treating them like 10 year olds who need to have their opponents condescend to let them score.
Seriously I read a lil of this(tl;dr) but i was locked down for 2 weeks(got unlocked early^_^) and I wasn't here for much of this thread but I am not going to argue my opinion with some of you cats. But it makes me pity you cats that have no idea whats sportsman like is...I will state a quote from the maestro himself.
On January 19 2009 14:14 MrHoon wrote: [center]
- Playing vs Bisu and FBH could be a lot of pressure. ▲ Savior= In recent MSL grp selection, FHB said "Now playing with Savior is not helpful for me". But the fact that he was carrying that thought in his head was surprising. I don't understand why he would think like that. For one player to surpass another player is not simply about records vs each other but overall career. Even if I beat Boxer 100 times now I'm not actually winning him. That is my opinion.
I will read the rest of this tommorrow while I am at work.
Well the girls themselves apparently didn't feel that ashamed, they said they tried their best and gave it their all and stuff, personally i would feel offended if another team felt sorry for me and just cleared the way so I can do a layup.
It's a tough situation this. At the end of the day, whoever is running the competition should have a lot to answer for by adding a team that is clearly out of their depth. I know it's a game and all and they're just playing for fun, but when you don't win a game in four years and get smashed like this, it isn't much chop.
I've been in situations like this and find it's good to get the kids doing some plays they've been practicing at training and have been looking to introduce into a game, but some people may even find that offensive if you're turning the game into a training drill.
They should really just move on a tell the team to lower the intensity next time.
I don't understand where all of the "tone it down" stuff is coming from.
If I play Mondragon 1v1, should he "tone it down" Just because I'm not anywhere near his level of play? Hell no, he should rape my face like any other advanced player would.
I would be ultra-pissed If I were the coach and got fired over this. Pissed enough to do legal research and file any possible lawsuits against my employers.
Now, maybe if he were dancing around the court rubbing it in the other teams face, then that's more understandable as that's very unsportsman like. But winning 100-0 is nothing to feel sorry/ashamed about.
Completely ludicrous. IMO, it's better sportsmanship to have the opposing team continuing to play as hard as they can instead of teams just fucking around with you at the end of games
On January 27 2009 15:33 b_unnies wrote: Completely ludicrous. IMO, it's better sportsmanship to have the opposing team continuing to play as hard as they can instead of teams just fucking around with you at the end of games
That's true, and also the fact that THERE ARE NO SHOT CLOCKS in high school basketball, which means that the teams can theoretically hold the ball as long as they want. And the good team just kept shooting which isn't a bad idea instead of going aggressive and trying to drive in. It just so happened that the 3 pointers and other shots went in.
Apparently the coach has no remorse and subsequently was fired...
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lol omg, they played some handicapped team an won 100-0 blowout and this time the coach is like fuck you guys we played the game, they suck. It's not our fault. Then their commission basically said it's not 'christ like'.
Man, that's bullshit. THis isn't rec ball--the coach has a paid job. His goal is to win. Do you expect to tell your subs, who might never actually get real game time, to tell them to sit back?
Mercy rules should only be applied in recreation sports, not in a competitive environment. Absolutely ridiculopus
It is poor sportsmanship to be doing a full court press in the fourth quarter when you're winning 80-0. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they're talking about
On January 28 2009 04:52 Kerensky wrote: what does that mean blackjack, wanna explain (not just wtf full court press means, but the reason for why u say what u do)
If i read him correctly I will try to make an analogy out of it.
Lets say you were raping some newbies on east...You just played your foe 3 times and he wants another shot. So you give him another chance on playing against you for the 4th time and what you do is cheese him to the point that he has nothing but 1 worker left and you leave his base so he can have yet another chance at rebuilding. What you end up doing is nuking the guy before the guy even gets out of his base......Hope you understand.
On January 28 2009 05:22 Kennelie wrote: Lets say you were raping some newbies on east...You just played your foe 3 times and he wants another shot. So you give him another chance on playing against you for the 4th time and what you do is cheese him to the point that he has nothing but 1 worker left and you leave his base so he can have yet another chance at rebuilding. What you end up doing is nuking the guy before the guy even gets out of his base......Hope you understand.
No, it's absolutely nothing like that. Wtf are you talking about?
On January 28 2009 04:21 BlackJack wrote: It is poor sportsmanship to be doing a full court press in the fourth quarter when you're winning 80-0. Anyone that disagrees just doesn't know what they're talking about
Maybe, but karma always comes through in the end. It gave Bellicheat his one giant loss, and ate up Brady's ACL! Run up the score at your own peril, folks!
On January 28 2009 04:00 Hawk wrote: Man, that's bullshit. THis isn't rec ball--the coach has a paid job. His goal is to win. Do you expect to tell your subs, who might never actually get real game time, to tell them to sit back?
Mercy rules should only be applied in recreation sports, not in a competitive environment. Absolutely ridiculopus
Yeah, but he didn't actually put his subs in UNTIL the 4th quarter. And they only scored like 12 of the 100 points.
That and the full court press thing.
Not that I agree with what happened to the coach at all. "Letting up", "taking it easy", etc. is gay.
On January 28 2009 05:22 Kennelie wrote: Lets say you were raping some newbies on east...You just played your foe 3 times and he wants another shot. So you give him another chance on playing against you for the 4th time and what you do is cheese him to the point that he has nothing but 1 worker left and you leave his base so he can have yet another chance at rebuilding. What you end up doing is nuking the guy before the guy even gets out of his base......Hope you understand.
No, it's absolutely nothing like that. Wtf are you talking about?
Yo mr know it all....Think about it...If your starting line up is raking up points against a poor team doesn't mean they get better...There egos raise and you think you a big shot. They played a team that had learning disabilities(AND I KNOW FOR A FACT 5%{not a fact} OF THE SCHOOL THEY ATTEND ARE PREGGY SOON TO BE MOTHERs). You give the team a option to play your 3rd string to at least something out in life...Lets go to iccup and you play 100 A- gamers and I see you somewhere on the net at 0-100 vs A-'ers....I am done with this thread.
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