Windows 7 - Make it or Break it for Microsoft - Page 6
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/downloads/default.aspx?pv=36:350 On January 09 2009 22:36 BottleAbuser wrote: IzzyCraft, that's not true. Licensing isn't an issue, the issue is with getting people to buy something that doesn't have the nice familiar Windows sticker on it - many people think that Windows IS the computer. Actually, we saw last year that the Asus Eee sold pretty well with Linux. I think it was Compaq that was selling the budget PCs with Linux as well. Lol you wonder why people think windows is a computer i mean the way apple advertise mac osx they make you think they are completely different things not just different os. | ||
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Not sure how the beta will go i know in the tech area you can get a beta for x64 or x86 both are a livable off the tech site by Microsoft so yeah x64 beta porb will be available for download to general public. | ||
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On January 05 2009 16:35 IzzyCraft wrote: Yeah people want more and more but don't want to pay the price lol 4 gigs of ram is dirty cheap to get now but for people to finally make the transition of x64 os for more ram is too slow. Ofc that would be death to ff x64 IE is much faster then any x86 broswer could be. I dont want to buy a new computer just because Microsoft updated their program with a flashy GUI that I will turn off after 10 minutes. If they earn billions of dollars and hire the best programmers, why cant they program windows in fucking assembler, so that the new OS will run 5-10 times faster? Why cant they make the new system work on old machines? It's definitely possible. It's just called optimization. Take a look at the consoles. Why do we need a new GUI anyway? I dont want to spend the next 3 months trying to figure out where can I change some option, just because they decided to redesign all the menus? Actually "redesigning the menus" means that all the options will be moved somewhere else, so that noone will ever find them. All the companies I know are working with Office 2003, just because their employees do not want to move to Office XP. The latter did simply not introduce any important changes, yet all the menus and functions got redesigned - consequently noone knows how to use them. (The only important update was that Excel can have a million rows now, but most people can survive with like 1000 anyway.) Cant they make "XP2"? An upgraded and optimized version, that would run much faster on the machines WE ALLREADY USE, + offer more SECURITY and STABILITY options + support for other new technologies (directx 10, blueray)? To be honest I didnt even install service pack 2, because it makes my computer like 20-30% slower and all it did was an introduction of irritating popups like "this file was downloaded from the intrawebs, it can be dangerous". In theory the computers are getting faster and faster, yet it still takes like 10 minutes to start them (with all the antiviruses, firewalls, proxy settings etc.). Why? What did windows XP give me in comparison to 98? A bit more stability? New directx? Usb support? Is this really a big update? The only new functionalities that I recongize are the "ctrl+alt+del" manager and upgraded file sharing in networks (which still sucks balls and doesnt work). Have you guys ever tried running windows 98 on a dual core machine? Microsoft doesnt update it, so there are many driver/compatibility issues, but the comp runs FAST AS HELL. The testers never benchmark computers in real environment. Run all the company crap (AV, FW, outlook, excel, powerpoint, perhaps some communicator) and your computer will still run slow. Despite your new Vista and 4gb of ram. It's just like the browsers. They use acid3 test to benchmark them. I dont give a fuck about acid3. Teamliquid is very simple and does not use any acid3 crap, yet it takes like 2 seconds to load it on my company computer despite its dual core. It took the same amount of time on my windows 98 comp! Not to mention that in real work environment all the browsers crash for me regularly. Open 50 tabs (including 10pdf files) in firefox, chrome or IE and all of them will crash at least once time per day. | ||
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On January 09 2009 21:37 Beamo wrote: And Microsoft isn't ?! Selling Windows on every sold computer ? Ever seen how hard it is to buy a computer (espacially a laptop) without Windows on it ? You seriously think that the cost of an OS is equal to the extra money that Apple charges on upgrades? Just looking at the retail for desktop replacement laptops, for equal specs, you're paying an extra $2000 dollars. An OS costs what...$100 max? | ||
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Vatican City State491 Posts
On January 10 2009 18:07 Klogon wrote: If the world was as simple as you just put it, Microsoft would have found those solutions before you could type that whole thing out. They know about the problems but do not want to solve them. M$ is signing deals with computer manufacturers in order to "provide better hardware support" (basically they bribe M$ not to optimize Windows so that new, faster computers are required). Just like MS never cared about the fact that 99% of people will hate the DRM in Vista. Dont you remember all the uproar? Noone wanted it, yet they included it, just because the media companies pushed it. Windows 98 runs fast like hell on modern machines. Linux distributions like puppylinux can be run on old computers, yet offer the same functionalities as modern OSes (apart the GUI). Why is Windows so slow? Due to all the bloatware and lack of optimization. | ||
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On January 04 2009 12:56 Dalroti wrote: Being a Mac fan Stopped reading here. | ||
[X]Ken_D
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On January 10 2009 18:02 closed wrote: I dont want to buy a new computer just because Microsoft updated their program with a flashy GUI that I will turn off after 10 minutes. If they earn billions of dollars and hire the best programmers, why cant they program windows in fucking assembler, so that the new OS will run 5-10 times faster? Why cant they make the new system work on old machines? It's definitely possible. It's just called optimization. Take a look at the consoles. Why do we need a new GUI anyway? I dont want to spend the next 3 months trying to figure out where can I change some option, just because they decided to redesign all the menus? Actually "redesigning the menus" means that all the options will be moved somewhere else, so that noone will ever find them. All the companies I know are working with Office 2003, just because their employees do not want to move to Office XP. The latter did simply not introduce any important changes, yet all the menus and functions got redesigned - consequently noone knows how to use them. (The only important update was that Excel can have a million rows now, but most people can survive with like 1000 anyway.) Cant they make "XP2"? An upgraded and optimized version, that would run much faster on the machines WE ALLREADY USE, + offer more SECURITY and STABILITY options + support for other new technologies (directx 10, blueray)? To be honest I didnt even install service pack 2, because it makes my computer like 20-30% slower and all it did was an introduction of irritating popups like "this file was downloaded from the intrawebs, it can be dangerous". In theory the computers are getting faster and faster, yet it still takes like 10 minutes to start them (with all the antiviruses, firewalls, proxy settings etc.). Why? What did windows XP give me in comparison to 98? A bit more stability? New directx? Usb support? Is this really a big update? The only new functionalities that I recongize are the "ctrl+alt+del" manager and upgraded file sharing in networks (which still sucks balls and doesnt work). Have you guys ever tried running windows 98 on a dual core machine? Microsoft doesnt update it, so there are many driver/compatibility issues, but the comp runs FAST AS HELL. The testers never benchmark computers in real environment. Run all the company crap (AV, FW, outlook, excel, powerpoint, perhaps some communicator) and your computer will still run slow. Despite your new Vista and 4gb of ram. It's just like the browsers. They use acid3 test to benchmark them. I dont give a fuck about acid3. Teamliquid is very simple and does not use any acid3 crap, yet it takes like 2 seconds to load it on my company computer despite its dual core. It took the same amount of time on my windows 98 comp! Not to mention that in real work environment all the browsers crash for me regularly. Open 50 tabs (including 10pdf files) in firefox, chrome or IE and all of them will crash at least once time per day. Why even have a GUI, you can use the command line prompt. Why have NTFS, FAT32 is faster right? There are tradeoffs and benefits , most of them are not easily visible to the end user (consumer). Have fun with win98. | ||
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