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Being a Mac fan (not a mac head), i think Micrososft is trying to make it seem like they are trying not to copy OSX style, but then again they are.
Anyway, build 7000 has been leaked to torrent sites (DO NOT DOWNLOAD, THIS IS A WARNING).
Build 7000 is what Microsoft was going to release to selected people to test run, before they give a public beta available to download and install.
I am not linking any videos because I do not know if they are recording the torrented version of the real version.
I think Windows 7 will be:
1. Better than Vista and XP
This is because of the new interface, and all of the neato features such as libraries. Also, they have created a new Windows Explorer
2. Will not get as much bashing from Apple than Vista and XP did.
Apple will not get that much to make fun of in their ads. Such as recently they are poking fun at Microsoft's new ad campaing. I personally agree with Apple because the ads make noooooooo sense wat so ever. Emailing cake does not have anything to do with productivity, family fun, or hardcore gaming (like Starcraft 2)
3. Will still have some hardware problems, but it will be very minimal, like maybe like one person in a remote area in the Yukon (or some other not as populated region in the world) or something can't get it activated.
This is because of Microsoft's iniative to have a folder full of all the most popular drivers. Basically the application will look for it's driver from the foler and install it (I think that is the plan, or something like that). In Vista's launch, people were complaining about scarcety of drivers for just about anything. This includes the most popular printers and cameras.
4. Will bring a bit of Microsoft's reputation back.
Because their is barealy any negative feedback, Microsoft will be once again seen as a reputable company, just like when they were seen as reputable after the release of Windows XP (I think).
OR this can happen:
1. Steve Balmer could make something go horribly wrong
Like Vista, many things were taken out and messed around with at the last secondm even though people were saying it was fine except some UI tweaks here and there. This would also result in the resignation of Steve Balmer in my opinion because he has been getting a lot of negative feed back about everything that has been going on.
2. More ad material for Apple.
This is self explanatory. More negative feedback for Microsoft means more things Apple can use as basis for their advertisements. More advertisements means more sales for Apple (face it, who doesn't think the PC guy is awesome? He probably uses a Mac). more sales means more confidence for Apple. You can create the rest of the chain.
3. Microsoft will lose ALOT of market share.
If this goes horribly wrong, then I think that Microsoft will collapse. They will be like Apple when Steve Jobs was fired (Coca-Cola man....). I already think that Microsoft is too large of a company to be efficiently existing like this. The company is obese, it has to cut something (I do not mean jobs, i mean some product lines), or organize it self to became muscular. If this happens, then many MANY businesses will plumet, because they all use PCs, and the Linux and MacOSX market shares will rise. Also, basically every Linux environment will try to combine all it's OSes to one OS under the Linux kernal. This will happen because all the Linux businesses would want better compatibility with the world. And this would be alot easier if the Linux OSes combines themselves, but still made the OS free under the GNU liscence.
Apple will become the leader in this OS war because they will be looked as the best alternative to Microsoft. Apple will have to increase iWork's power to match Office's, or Microsoft will continue making Office for the OSX to keep their revenues high.
Well those are my predictions. In my opinion Windows 7 is almost a make it or break it situation for Microsoft, when you play their reputation as a factor. I mean XP is sooooooo old, and you do not even feel safe without Norton or something installed and the Windows Firewall turned OFF!
I hope Microsoft does not screw this up. Even though I prefer a Mac over Windows based computers any day, I just do not want Microsoft to go down like in my second prediction!
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i doubt windows 7 will be this pivotal. if anything it's just an attempt by microsoft to gain more ground in the netbook market by replacing xp with something new and can actually run on netbooks. from what i've seen on windows 7 it does use less ram but the interface "improvements" are pretty gimmicky aside from the ability to move taskbar items around. then again these changes to the interface are probably to make using a 7 inch screen easier for netbooks.
also your impression of where linux and apple stand are horribly skewed.
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I'm not well-versed in windows 7 but from what I've read (i.e. http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_big_windows_7_lie ), it doesn't look like w7 is going to turn out too hot.
here's an excerpt from the article
Randall Kennedy put the Windows 7 engine on a real test-bench and discovered that, at the kernel level, "When viewed side by side in Performance Monitor, Vista and Windows 7 were virtually indistinguishable."
In case you haven't used Vista, that means you can expect Windows 7 performance to be lousy. Kennedy ran the same application performance tests comparing XP and Vista and found that Vista ran 40% slower than XP.
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Microsoft will continue to be king even if they royally screw this up. They control the PC market so strong they could release utter crap for 5 years straight and still have enough money and power to stay on top.
Early word is windows 7 is better than vista though so we'll see. I never thought Vista was that bad. Sure it crashes and has a few annoyances but so did XP.
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On January 04 2009 13:07 JeeJee wrote:I'm not well-versed in windows 7 but from what I've read (i.e. http://blogs.computerworld.com/the_big_windows_7_lie ), it doesn't look like w7 is going to turn out too hot. here's an excerpt from the article Show nested quote +Randall Kennedy put the Windows 7 engine on a real test-bench and discovered that, at the kernel level, "When viewed side by side in Performance Monitor, Vista and Windows 7 were virtually indistinguishable."
In case you haven't used Vista, that means you can expect Windows 7 performance to be lousy. Kennedy ran the same application performance tests comparing XP and Vista and found that Vista ran 40% slower than XP.
article is pretty old there have been numerous versions released since then. i tried out beta 1 and at idle it used only 256mb of ram which is pretty nice. nothing really that revolutionary though.
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I really have absolutely no problems with vista.
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On January 04 2009 12:56 Dalroti wrote:
More advertisements means more sales for Apple (face it, who doesn't think the PC guy is awesome? He probably uses a Mac)
MEEEEEEEEEEEE.
I cringe and facepalm every time I see one of those advertisements.
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you should try to get your hands on w7. I've heard some good things already ; )
However I don't mind Vista so I have no need to switch.
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On January 04 2009 12:56 Dalroti wrote:
Apple will become the leader in this OS war because they will be looked as the best alternative to Microsoft. Apple will have to increase iWork's power to match Office's, or Microsoft will continue making Office for the OSX to keep their revenues high.
First off, let me explain that I am a mac user as well, but I use both Mac and PC.
Let's get this straight: No matter how much Microsoft screws up, Apple virtually never surpass them, no matter how much "better" their products are. The fact is that PCs are dirt cheap, and companies will always prefer them. They still technically work, and they don't need to niceties that Apple offers. So for 5x less, they can get the same job done.
Second, iWork vs Office is a joke. Microsoft Office conveniently comes with the package, so Microsoft with still stay > Mac in terms of industry. Don't get me wrong, iWork is very nice, except Excel is a very good program (better than Numbers imo), and Office has potential to be actually more professional than iWork.
EDIT: Never mind, I reread what I quoted. Then I agree with you. But now that I think of it, in a while, with the very, very minimal progress that Microsoft is making on Office, compared to earlier versions, iWork just might be an equal contender, though it is doubtful. Apple has been blinded by too many casual users, so they make a spreadsheet program without freaking standard deviation!
Basically, Windows 7 can be another flop just like Vista, but not much will change. Apple may gain ground, but that is because they have been doing that for a while now. Microsoft will keep throwing out the low quality junk, but it will stay efficient *enough* so people keep buying it.
That is just my two cents.
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Windows 7 at its core is still Windows Vista. They re implemented their GUI a bit (namely redoing whateva it was that they changed in GDI processing) so it appears that the OS is running a bit smoother now.
Microsoft will still reign even if Windows 7 turn out to suck. I tried the beta on a Q9300 machine and it still feels laggy running on full graphics but then again i'm a fan of minimalistic GUI design.
I highly doubt that Microsoft is trying to copy OS X considering that OS X GUI is out of date by miles in today's GUI development.
Note: The above are from comments by experienced programmers, NOT ME.
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On January 04 2009 13:16 Archaic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2009 12:56 Dalroti wrote:
Apple will become the leader in this OS war because they will be looked as the best alternative to Microsoft. Apple will have to increase iWork's power to match Office's, or Microsoft will continue making Office for the OSX to keep their revenues high. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA. First off, let me explain that I am a mac user as well, but I use both Mac and PC. Let's get this straight: No matter how much Microsoft screws up, Apple virtually never surpass them, no matter how much "better" their products are. The fact is that PCs are dirt cheap, and companies will always prefer them. They still technically work, and they don't need to niceties that Apple offers. So for 5x less, they can get the same job done. Second, iWork vs Office is a joke. Microsoft Office conveniently comes with the package, so Microsoft with still stay > Mac in terms of industry. Don't get me wrong, iWork is very nice, except Excel is a very good program (better than Numbers imo), and Office has potential to be actually more professional than iWork. Basically, Windows 7 can be another flop just like Vista, but not much will change. Apple may gain ground, but that is because they have been doing that for a while now. Microsoft will keep throwing out the low quality junk, but it will stay efficient *enough* so people keep buying it. That is just my two cents.
Mac will never become a dominant market force simply because of their target customers and their business model. If OS X becomes as popular as Windows then the same will happen.
Even if Windows keep screwing up, some one have to be the janitor.
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Windows is still the platform. Operating System theory isn't based on UI and all that stuff Microsoft is "copying" from Macs, it's about resource management. FreeBSD was a good switch for the Mac OS, but seriously? Apple is way behind in terms of the workings behind the UI. Just look at the DirectX API and how it's now the graphics platform for all games and 3D (along with the majority of hardware support). Honestly? Most companies just don't want to make software or hardware for Macs, mainly due to Apple having tight controls on its hardware and software.
Having to have firewall and Norton, well that's unfair. If Mac becomes 50% of the market share, then we'll see who's more secure, until then, nobody's going to waste their time making a virus or malware that only affects such a small portion of the population.
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But still
did anyone read my "obesity" remark about Microsoft? I think this will eventually happen you know. They need to cut some product lines or do something. And yes, i hope Apple comes atleast close to what Microsoft is.
yes iWork is a joke, but its only been the first two releases. It is not supposed to be a full, engineering level office suite. IT is supposed to help individuals and SMBs get their work done wiht a nice finish 
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When cloud computing becomes mainstream, all this talk about about which OS is better will be obsolete. We will just have to wait and see and hope the Linux penguins come out of the dark!
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If windows 7 fails, people will probably just stick with XP. I dont think mac/linux is going to take over or really gain all that much.
If that was the case, Vista would have already done it
Also, basically every Linux environment will try to combine all it's OSes to one OS under the Linux kernal. This will happen because all the Linux businesses would want better compatibility with the world. And this would be alot easier if the Linux OSes combines themselves, but still made the OS free under the GNU liscence.
linux is a chimera with far too many heads to combine into one distribution. And it doesnt really have to happen. If one distrib gets pushed to the front because of capabilities, support or UI (suse, mandriva, etc.) then thats ok. The walmarts and other stores already have distributions picked out.
The fact that you can buy a computer with either no OS already installed, or buy a cheap PC with Linux already preinstalled is a big thing for linux, but this still isnt the year of linux on the desktop
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I don't know why so many people automatically jump ship as soon as a new OS is released. I'm personally still using XP. Never had a single issue with it, and thus far I have absolutely no reason to change that. The next time I'll be upgrading will be when I build a new computer that has more than the maximum ammount of ram supported by XP. That won't be for many years at least.
If it ain't broke, don't pay 300 bucks for a new one.
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I've tried windows 7 and its pretty decent. But to be honest vista was pretty decent too. It's just that a few bugs in the first version gave a negative buzz and then everyone avoided it.
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I've been using windows 7 beta(7000 build) for a week now on an over clocked e4300 machine and its faster than xp for me, both in general windows work and gaming.
Its not much but in my own benchmarks Ive gained a few average fps(1-5) in Crysis, Far cry 2, and Devil may cry 4, They are the only graphically intense games I have with "performance test" modes
I know its not the most scientific or correct way of benchmarking, but its all I feel like doing.
The only compatibility issue Ive had so far was creatives sound drivers(knew that would happen...)
They don't allow you to install the drivers on anything other than xp or vista, but simply setting vista compatibility and running in administrator fixed the problem and they installed fine.Other than that anything that works for vista should work for windows 7 which is just about everything nowadays.
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On January 04 2009 13:24 Dalroti wrote:But still did anyone read my "obesity" remark about Microsoft? I think this will eventually happen you know. They need to cut some product lines or do something. And yes, i hope Apple comes atleast close to what Microsoft is. yes iWork is a joke, but its only been the first two releases. It is not supposed to be a full, engineering level office suite. IT is supposed to help individuals and SMBs get their work done wiht a nice finish
The statement about Microsoft's business model which was tied to your speculations about Windows 7? The part about Windows 7 has been discussed above, the rest is too broad to say anything about. At that, there is no real need for Microsoft to trim down anything, they have taken an approach as most major companies have done in the past and opting for supporting and buying out ventures in place of their own R&D and shifted their own product line to be renewed in a way far from revolutionary. From an end-user perspective, yes, they would appeal far more if they focused on a few products instead. From a profit-generating perspective that is is not necessarily true.
I personally rather agree with Haduken, without a significant change in the current environment, we are not going to see significant changes from Microsoft. At that, they are also jumping on the cloud computing bandwagon, no? Google has struck first though~
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