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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 10:41:21
January 10 2009 10:41 GMT
#121
On January 10 2009 18:12 closed wrote:

Windows 98 runs fast like hell on modern machines.


Pretty sure Vista is faster on modern machines.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 10:59:01
January 10 2009 10:55 GMT
#122
On January 10 2009 19:41 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 18:12 closed wrote:

Windows 98 runs fast like hell on modern machines.


Pretty sure Vista is faster on modern machines.

Ture Vista will read hard drives and write them faster due to better data management and also use quad core alot better. running a 10 year old program on a modern computer ofc it's fast

Why have a car that can do 300 that looks like shit and you never even take it out of the city.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
January 10 2009 11:27 GMT
#123
On January 10 2009 18:08 Centric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2009 21:37 Beamo wrote:
On January 09 2009 18:45 Centric wrote:
I hate all things Mac. In this terrible economy they are robbing people.


And Microsoft isn't ?! Selling Windows on every sold computer ?
Ever seen how hard it is to buy a computer (espacially a laptop) without Windows on it ?

You seriously think that the cost of an OS is equal to the extra money that Apple charges on upgrades? Just looking at the retail for desktop replacement laptops, for equal specs, you're paying an extra $2000 dollars. An OS costs what...$100 max?


Seeing Microsoft has 95% of the market, yes I do think the charges of their OS is at least as much as "the design" you pay when you get a Mac.

My main problem with Mac is not about how expensive their products are, if people want to pay for the design it's their problem. That's called added value and that's what companies sell (look how much a painting costs compared to how much it's worth creating (time included).
The part where I think they act like bastards is on how they force you to use their products the way they want you to. Imprisoning you with their tools. Take a look at an I-Phone, it has a perfectly working OS on it but you can't install tools you like you have to install the tools they sell using their format. Same for I-Pod, they tatooed the firmware of the last generations preventing you to use an other one and preventing you to use anything else then I-Tunes.

On the other hand we have Microsoft who gained a quasi-monopole on desktops and laptops and who keeps on abusing (which is not legal, see the anti-trust laws) it's position forcing suppliers to sell out Windows & Office, forcing people to perpetually upgrade their hardware for few added functionalities, bribing countries and the ISO to adopt their unfinished OpenXML format when an ISO certified document format already existed (ODT) etc... etc...

So yes I think both companies are equally bastards that are robing miss-informed people.

I'm not saying theor products are bad, I just don't like how they force you to use them.
Do you really think IE would still be over 70% used if it was not forced by Windows (you can't even uninstall it...) and if Windows did not hold 95% of the market ?

Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
January 10 2009 11:45 GMT
#124
Actually, some time I had to pay +$75 to take Windows XP off a premade computer than if I ordered it with it. I think it has to do with the money other companies pay the computer maker to put the bloatware in there. So sometimes having Windows installed on the PC LOWERS the cost.
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
January 10 2009 14:49 GMT
#125
I don't know what the thing about mac is...
I mean JESUS, its only a computer, not a change of lifestyle...
Mac, Linux, Windows, it doesn't make too big of a difference, you will mostly do the same stuff anyways.

I like linux the best, but i use windows because i am a gamer.
Also i use a PC because it's simpler to upgrade, i mean, i dont have to buy a new computer to get some new component or something
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
January 10 2009 15:51 GMT
#126
so... for the ppl who downloaded the beta

how is it? ^^
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
January 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#127
On January 04 2009 13:19 haduken wrote:
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On January 04 2009 13:16 Archaic wrote:
On January 04 2009 12:56 Dalroti wrote:
Apple will become the leader in this OS war because they will be looked as the best alternative to Microsoft. Apple will have to increase iWork's power to match Office's, or Microsoft will continue making Office for the OSX to keep their revenues high.


BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA. First off, let me explain that I am a mac user as well, but I use both Mac and PC.
Let's get this straight: No matter how much Microsoft screws up, Apple virtually never surpass them, no matter how much "better" their products are. The fact is that PCs are dirt cheap, and companies will always prefer them. They still technically work, and they don't need to niceties that Apple offers. So for 5x less, they can get the same job done.

Second, iWork vs Office is a joke. Microsoft Office conveniently comes with the package, so Microsoft with still stay > Mac in terms of industry. Don't get me wrong, iWork is very nice, except Excel is a very good program (better than Numbers imo), and Office has potential to be actually more professional than iWork.

Basically, Windows 7 can be another flop just like Vista, but not much will change. Apple may gain ground, but that is because they have been doing that for a while now. Microsoft will keep throwing out the low quality junk, but it will stay efficient *enough* so people keep buying it.

That is just my two cents.


Mac will never become a dominant market force simply because of their target customers and their business model. If OS X becomes as popular as Windows then the same will happen.

Even if Windows keep screwing up, some one have to be the janitor.


the extra price of macs is the smugness tax and the superiority complex surcharge oh and the attention whore hidden fees..

If your gonna get anything other than a PC just get ubuntu or whatever other free OS.

personally I don't see anything wrong with vista, i just turn off the graphics off and it works just like xp did.
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 18:00:08
January 10 2009 17:59 GMT
#128
shit isn't downloading..... directs me to profile page, and the shit keeps spinning in the middle, nothing loading...
Hikou Shinketsushuu
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 10 2009 18:47 GMT
#129
i got a key, but i don't have a machine for it. hopefully that will change soon.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 11 2009 01:41 GMT
#130
On January 11 2009 03:47 oneofthem wrote:
i got a key, but i don't have a machine for it. hopefully that will change soon.

I got a key but i dont have a dvd burner lol but that is what friends are for.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 11 2009 01:52 GMT
#131
Oh yeah for those who have toubles with the beta lauch site useing technet works easier
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Kula
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States140 Posts
January 11 2009 01:56 GMT
#132
Would this work with vmware?
miseiler
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States1389 Posts
January 11 2009 02:06 GMT
#133
Linux user here, but I've heard good things.

I don't really think this will make it or break it for microsoft. From their position, they really just have to stop releasing bad software, rather than release good software.

i.e., if they rebranded XP as "Windows 2009" and released it, people would call it the savior of the company.
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 11 2009 02:11 GMT
#134
Why not as long as it's still the same as your oringal os it should work last time i checked you can install as many 32 bits or as many 64bit oses useing vmware as long as the bit is the same as your oringal os.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
eugene17
Profile Joined June 2006
Singapore174 Posts
January 11 2009 02:17 GMT
#135
i think the great difference with win and mac is the amount of software people has and will develop on top of it. i don't know about mac, but with windows i can just develop any stupid app on it and make it work. (kinda like appstore for free) i think this is why a lot of enterprise companies still use win.

for mac people out there is there anything similar on your side? development tools ? not quite sure on how the model looks like in mac.

thanks!
PobTheCad
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Australia893 Posts
January 11 2009 03:20 GMT
#136
On January 10 2009 19:41 Klogon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 18:12 closed wrote:

Windows 98 runs fast like hell on modern machines.


Pretty sure Vista is faster on modern machines.

finding drivers for modern computer equipment for win98 is a pain , if not an impossibility
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SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
January 11 2009 03:42 GMT
#137
Microsoft will not loose market-share as long as you can still get XP.

I think they went too hardware heavy with Vista and thats why it failed.
People buying new PC every 3 or 4 years don't want to upgrade since it slows down teir systems and companies don't adopt it since the functionality advantage over XP it brings is very small, but the hardware requirements are too big.

So why in the hell change windows, except to give microsoft even more money?

No reason what so ever, apart from DX10 there is virtually no reason whatsoever to switch from XP to Vista.
Windows 7 on the other hand will get more adopted, since people would have recycled their hardware and bought new PC's.
More demanding applications is also forcing companies to buy new and better PC's and they might as wel switch to windows 7 when it gets released.
Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
January 11 2009 03:49 GMT
#138
Well Windows 7 was working perfectly fine until now--Starcraft isn't working, with an error saying that the game can't find the file font/font.gid. Some googling suggests this is the file that contains the CD key you used to install the game.

Running in compatibility mode doesn't work, regardless of which OS you choose. Nor does running as an administrator.

Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?
ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
January 11 2009 03:52 GMT
#139
On January 11 2009 12:49 Cobalt wrote:
Well Windows 7 was working perfectly fine until now--Starcraft isn't working, with an error saying that the game can't find the file font/font.gid. Some googling suggests this is the file that contains the CD key you used to install the game.

Running in compatibility mode doesn't work, regardless of which OS you choose. Nor does running as an administrator.

Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?


reinstall under compatibility mode
Hikou Shinketsushuu
Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-11 03:57:01
January 11 2009 03:52 GMT
#140
On January 11 2009 12:52 ilovehnk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2009 12:49 Cobalt wrote:
Well Windows 7 was working perfectly fine until now--Starcraft isn't working, with an error saying that the game can't find the file font/font.gid. Some googling suggests this is the file that contains the CD key you used to install the game.

Running in compatibility mode doesn't work, regardless of which OS you choose. Nor does running as an administrator.

Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?


reinstall under compatibility mode


I can't believe I didn't think of this. Attempting now.

EDIT: Nope. Still not working.
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