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On January 05 2009 06:52 Tacticas wrote:
Did you know, that Hamas fires their rockets out of schools and hospitals, and also hides their ammunition in schools and hospitals?
that's because Israel is so humanitary, that we won't attack those places if it kills so many innocent civilians.
Also, in the 2006 Lebanon war, Hamas purposely fired rockets from populated villages.
So that when we attack them, many civilians will die - and the world will protest.
That's exactly what they want.
Did you know that israel is right now risking its own soldiers' lives, by sending them into Gaza?
why?
Because if israel wanted to destroy hamas/gaza etc., they COULD simply bomb the fuck out of it and not risk soldiers. But, so many civilians would die..
so instead, we risk our own soldiers, sending them to the what i think is a death trap (hamas is well armed, trained, and ready)
just so palestinians', who actually CHOSE the hamas, wouldn't get hurt.
So i think that tells you a bit about how israel and hamas value people's lives.
western vs arab world much...
Do you have evidence it's the people's lives they value, rather than their own image to the rest of the world?
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Israel is shielding it's people at the south. In Sederot, there's a bomb shelter every few meters.
(Sederot is the city getting most of the rockets)
Israel has also shielded schools, houses, etc.
Israel is attacking now, to dismantle hamas and keep the people at the south safe.
Had we cared for our image to the rest of the world so much, we would just continue getting bombed and yell, "we're poor, we're getting bombed, and we're not killing palestinians".
That would make the world support israel. But we care for our people and don't give a shit about the world's support - so we're going out to defend the people at the south.
So yeah, we value our people's lives.
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Well obviously israel values it's own people's lives. I was talking about the lives of the civillians of the opposing factions/nations/whatever.
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On January 05 2009 06:06 travis wrote:
yeah baal that will fix everything
it might kill people who cant discern between an obvious joke and a serious post
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On January 05 2009 06:52 Tacticas wrote:
Did you know, that Hamas fires their rockets out of schools and hospitals, and also hides their ammunition in schools and hospitals?
that's because Israel is so humanitary, that we won't attack those places if it kills so many innocent civilians.
Also, in the 2006 Lebanon war, Hamas purposely fired rockets from populated villages.
So that when we attack them, many civilians will die - and the world will protest.
That's exactly what they want.
Did you know that israel is right now risking its own soldiers' lives, by sending them into Gaza?
why?
Because if israel wanted to destroy hamas/gaza etc., they COULD simply bomb the fuck out of it and not risk soldiers. But, so many civilians would die..
so instead, we risk our own soldiers, sending them to the what i think is a death trap (hamas is well armed, trained, and ready)
just so palestinians', who actually CHOSE the hamas, wouldn't get hurt.
So i think that tells you a bit about how israel and hamas value people's lives.
western vs arab world much...
Wasn't it Hisbolla in Lebanon and not Hamas?
dunno am getting all mixed up
the situation is so fucking crazy
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and yell, "we're poor" Uh. Israel has been the benefactor of a gigantic windfall of forgiven US loans. They're rich as can be expected.
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On January 05 2009 06:52 Tacticas wrote:
Did you know, that Hamas fires their rockets out of schools and hospitals, and also hides their ammunition in schools and hospitals?
that's because Israel is so humanitary, that we won't attack those places if it kills so many innocent civilians.
Also, in the 2006 Lebanon war, Hamas purposely fired rockets from populated villages.
So that when we attack them, many civilians will die - and the world will protest.
That's exactly what they want.
Did you know that israel is right now risking its own soldiers' lives, by sending them into Gaza?
why?
Because if israel wanted to destroy hamas/gaza etc., they COULD simply bomb the fuck out of it and not risk soldiers. But, so many civilians would die..
so instead, we risk our own soldiers, sending them to the what i think is a death trap (hamas is well armed, trained, and ready)
just so palestinians', who actually CHOSE the hamas, wouldn't get hurt.
So i think that tells you a bit about how israel and hamas value people's lives.
western vs arab world much...
Sorry but the terrorist state of Israel killed the founder and leader of Hamas and has terrorized the group and zone that rightuflly belongs to the palestinians for a long long time now
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On January 05 2009 07:20 L wrote: Uh. Israel has been the benefactor of a gigantic windfall of forgiven US loans. They're rich as can be expected.
Yea he obviously meant poor in the monetary sense...
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Well what is the problem now is that it seems that the world public is more swayed by mob mentality and media in their region.
I mean take the U.S. media on it is mostly support for Israel because U.S. has always supported Israel and been always on the whole ideal's over results kind of policy in which people soak up living there even if they a bit of a cynic.
Basically what the protesters show is that either the public opinion in those area's fit Hamas and don't recognize Israel or more likely is that apparently the ideal's that build a country any country are not as important anymore. So that now it's bleeding mad to carry though defending your own nations interest at the sake of another's even if the other country interest is to end your country. Because that's what most people that are against Israel's actions seem to me.
Frankly I cannot see the logic of chastising something that you know dam well that your country would do the same and you would support if it was happening to you. Or maybe you just believe that small aren't responsible for their actions because they are small they can now get away with anything because they lack power.
Feuds like this go back for a long time apparently some people believe that all people should be just like them and get over it. It's why they burn small shops and cars when they protest because they care about live that much =p Seriously mob mentality much at those protests. What do you expect your government is doing they say yeah oh well help with a cease fire but they aren't doing anything the fact of the manor is that it wont stop as long as malice is directed at Israel by surrounding nations.
To me Israel has the right to protect it's people else it's not a government. Also what the hell do you expect them to do send their army in riot gear and seize everything I'm pretty sure the people would resist them with guns. I mean if they are firing rockets I'm pretty sure they can take the time to get a 20 dollar AK47 Or maybe you should just encourage them firing rockets by doing nothing so then they can tell the people they are winning!
Apparently the world can recognize Israel but not support it. Might as well join the bandwagon with most of the middle east and not recognize Israel and not support it.
I mean to offend people because you offend me.
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I thought the original title was Gaza strip f'ed up or something
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On January 05 2009 07:35 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I thought the original title was Gaza strip f'ed up or something
Edited due to offending tone...
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On January 05 2009 07:12 travis wrote:
Well obviously israel values it's own people's lives. I was talking about the lives of the civillians of the opposing factions/nations/whatever.
It's like saying that every person is selfish, because doing good deeds to others makes you feel good - hence you're doing it for yourself.
Israel is humanitary. Wether it's out of actual concern for the enemy's civilians, or for their image to the world.
Hamas kills civilians on purpose. Israel avoids it.
On January 05 2009 07:16 Sadir wrote:
Wasn't it Hisbolla in Lebanon and not Hamas?
dunno am getting all mixed up
the situation is so fucking crazy
Yeah sorry, i meant Hisbolla. Same shit.
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people have failed to mention that gaza has been under siege for a long time. the people are starving because of the blockade and their is little to no humanitarian aid and it is regulated by israel. the people either die to starvation or they begin to a little nuts and start firing rockets at israel hopelessly believing the blockade/siege well end.
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On January 05 2009 06:32 purgerinho wrote:
blood thirtsty animals..
of course, it is retorical speech.. i wouldn't want nukes anywhere.. but i would love that this thing stop.. i can't cry if some israeli lover dies when israel is state made after genocide and deaths of innocent ppl... and it is here for 60 yrs, six decades of killings, death and destruction..
and i'm sad coz of it.. coz of bush policie i wasn't sad after 9/11, i was happy in some way, some sick way.. and in some sick way i wuld be happy if arabs destroy israel like israel destroyed palestina.. it is sick but i can't help myself anymore.. when i would be closer to israel i wuld go in war against them, i would stood on palestinas side in real life.. isn't it sick? i'm really peaceful guy but policie of israel and usa makes me so angry, i'm just like animal..
wow some sick people out there...
why were you happy after 9/11?
please don't answer, would be better if you'd keep your sick rationale to yourself.
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On January 05 2009 08:16 afg-warrior wrote:
people have failed to mention that gaza has been under siege for a long time. the people are starving because of the blockade and their is little to no humanitarian aid and it is regulated by israel. the people either die to starvation or they begin to a little nuts and start firing rockets at israel hopelessly believing the blockade/siege well end.
I'm pretty sure the blockade and siege is due to the break down a cease fire. Why not work on internal improvements instead of lets play hide and go seek with our missiles and the Israeli air force. Can't say they are planning to win.
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On January 05 2009 08:16 afg-warrior wrote:
people have failed to mention that gaza has been under siege for a long time. the people are starving because of the blockade and their is little to no humanitarian aid and it is regulated by israel. the people either die to starvation or they begin to a little nuts and start firing rockets at israel hopelessly believing the blockade/siege well end.
That's a lie. We have been supplying food, electricity, water, humanitarian aid and a lot of money for the whole period before the operation. They only stopped it for a day here and there when the Hamas fired more than usual. Egypt on the other hand has closed its checkpoint completely not allowing the "innocent" Palestinians to find shelter in Egypt while the operation is going on and stopping humanitarian aid.
Two weeks before the operation the Israeli government transferred 100 Million $ to the Hamas, while the rockets continued to fall. If that's not treason, what is?
BTW if the Palestinians would use the money they get to better the life of their civilians instead of using it all on weapons and terror, they would be in a better situation.
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On January 05 2009 08:37 Locke. wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 08:16 afg-warrior wrote:
people have failed to mention that gaza has been under siege for a long time. the people are starving because of the blockade and their is little to no humanitarian aid and it is regulated by israel. the people either die to starvation or they begin to a little nuts and start firing rockets at israel hopelessly believing the blockade/siege well end. That's a lie. We have been supplying food, electricity, water, humanitarian aid and a lot of money for the whole period before the operation. They only stopped it for a day here and there when the Hamas fired more than usual. Egypt on the other hand has closed its checkpoint completely not allowing the "innocent" Palestinians to find shelter in Egypt while the operation is going on and stopping humanitarian aid. Two weeks before the operation the Israeli government transferred 100 Million $ to the Hamas, while the rockets continued to fall. If that's not treason, what is? BTW if the Palestinians would use the money they get to better the life of their civilians instead of using it all on weapons and terror, they would be in a better situation.
People want hand out apparently now of days they could at least try hand ups =p All i think of how they are able to fire off about 200-300 rockets every month is wow and they can't seem to improve their situation because they fire off rockets which cost money then they have to take the punishment of doing so which cost them more money.
Personally i blame European media that highlights the death toll while American media highlights the fact they Hamas is being the man aggressor here.
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A problem with two fundamentalistic states. One want to oblivirot the other and one belives that they are the people of God. And the country who could stop this thinks that they are Gods.
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Thread is a clusterfuck. How about organizing a list of contentions and their subparts, here's an example:
[1] The legitimacy of Israel: yay (a) or nay (b)
[1a] War justified by years of continuous Hamas aggression, yes (A) or no (B)
[1aA] Do you think Hamas can be completely routed? What is the exit strategy? Won't terrorists still use Gaza as a launching pad into southern Israel after demobilization?
[1aB] What should Israeli response have been? What response would you expect from your own government? Does the low success rate of rocket fire from Gaza lessen the hostility of the action?
[1b] Realistic alternative to a sovereign Israel? I don't see any.
[2].... (etc,)
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While it is true that Israel's blockade of Gaza is driving them to fire rockets and respond harshly, can you blame Israel for enforcing that blockade after the people in Gaza freely elected Hamas, an organization whose sole purpose is the destruction of Israel and actively attempts to act towards that purpose. I don't see why Israel should be expected to have any dealings at all with that country, much less provide them aid. Since most of you here are from the United States, let me use an example that will be easy to understand. Imagine that here in Canada we elected Al-Queida to power. How do you imagine the American government would respond to that?
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