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Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4926 Posts
January 06 2009 21:24 GMT
#301
Israel Palestine whatever. The struggle for this meager piece of land causes more trouble for the world than it is worth.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 06 2009 22:13 GMT
#302
if the question is merely one of land then we would not see the level of extremism displayed by both sides, but especially the palestinians. for the latter, the deeper source of their passion is the (perceived) effect of israel on their lives. they live in squalid conditions, perpetuated by israeli actions and general political strife, and their economy is pretty terrible, all the while israel is flourishing with the aid of american money and resources.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Chewits
Profile Joined September 2006
Northern Ireland1200 Posts
January 06 2009 22:42 GMT
#303
How come that Locke guy got temp banned?

"Locke. was just temp banned for 2 weeks by vGl-CoW.

That account was created on 2006-11-18 00:41:18 and had 509 posts.

Reason: By request."

He made some really good posts. I just dont get it :/
Whats the altitude?
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4339 Posts
January 06 2009 22:47 GMT
#304
Hmmm
Every fan of Starcraft is a fan of Lim Yo Hwan by association
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
January 06 2009 22:51 GMT
#305
On January 07 2009 07:42 Chewits wrote:
How come that Locke guy got temp banned?

"Locke. was just temp banned for 2 weeks by vGl-CoW.

That account was created on 2006-11-18 00:41:18 and had 509 posts.

Reason: By request."

He made some really good posts. I just dont get it :/

Too stressful had school start up again someting etc
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
Dalroti
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada70 Posts
January 06 2009 23:12 GMT
#306
i appose war.

war stinks. I dont quite understand what's going on. but i have simpler solution. y not divde the Gaza strip in half? The part where the hamas people leave can be part of Palestine, and the Isreal can have its share. wats so hard about compromising..
My great grand father was a magic penguin
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27156 Posts
January 07 2009 00:00 GMT
#307
Obviously this issue is sensitive for many people, and the nature of our international forum means people have different views, experiences, and opinions. For this reason it is important to be respectful of others in this thread.

The following are unacceptable posts for a thread of this nature:

On January 05 2009 13:02 iloveoil wrote:
Curse those dirty arabs for fighting back against their oppressors


This adds nothing other than a flammatory opinion.

On January 05 2009 23:57 koziol wrote:
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On January 05 2009 23:43 Velr wrote:
I wonder how long the western world will actually still care about this stuff... I mean, it only bores me and i actually don't care the slightest anymore about either side.

Retards, both sides.


lol thats exactly how whole ur country acts, they just dosent seem to care. that might be safe but in the end


This is unacceptable country bashing.

On January 06 2009 00:36 Velr wrote:
Btw: Poland obviously had never someone to talk to... Or what should i get from your extremly stupid argument against neutrality? Rather occupied than neutral?


"Extremely stupid argument" is not constructive.

On January 06 2009 02:01 Tacticas wrote:
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On January 06 2009 00:46 jgad wrote:
On December 30 2008 19:55 jjun212 wrote:
I've been trying to read up on this recently because for as long as I could remember, this conflict has been going on and been publicized quite a lot. I have also met and have a lot of friends that are from both sides of the conflict.

I just don't get it... but I don't think I ever could unless I was an Israeli or a Palestinian who has experienced first hand what has been going on there.

Sigh..


The short history is that Israel used to be Palestine. Palestine was seized and made a colony of by the British Empire. By WWII, the British had promised the Palestinians independence if they fought for the allies in the war. The Palestinians fought, but the British renegged on their promise and, along with America, gave most of Palestine to a brand new state called Israel and invited all the Jews of the world to go move there. Nobody seemed to notice or care that the Palestinians already lived there. America then armed Israel to the teeth and supported them economically while they fought a few wars with all their neighbours and tried as best as they could to get more land than they were given in 1947. Native Palestinians were persecuted, excluded from the seats of power and even much free engagement in society, etc. Naturally this left them with few prospects to work or be productive members of the society that used to be theirs. Pushed into poverty and a position of desperation by a massively overpowering Israel, they started doing the only thing they could do - fight back. Foreigners came in, took their land, took their homes and their rights. There's not much to say after that. Now they get a barren, wasted strip of what used to be theirs and they're expected to remain happy. It would seem they feel this not an equitable solution, and who could blame them?


*sneeze*

Sorry, i'm allergic to bullshit


This is not an acceptable way to respond to someone's effort.

On January 06 2009 08:18 Magibon wrote:
terrorists instigate problems then whines about being raped.


Inflammatory, and adds nothing to the conversation.

On January 04 2009 08:50 purgerinho wrote:
israeli scum... they are like nazis and i hope they will end just like nazis..


Inflammatory, and adds nothing to the conversation.

The final two posts here have warrented bans. I really don't want to have to come back to this thread.

Thanks.
ModeratorGodfather
joyeaux
Profile Joined May 2005
United States169 Posts
January 07 2009 02:16 GMT
#308
On December 30 2008 21:20 Fwmeh wrote:
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On December 30 2008 20:05 kazokun wrote:


"The Myth of the Clash of Civilizations"

It's a rather well done dismantling of Samuel P. Huntington's thesis, you should watch it.

I watched it. I does very little of dismantling, and even less of presenting concrete points to support its own conclusions.


So this Samuel Huntington guy apparently says that if the west wants to stay strong it has to "Exploit differences and conflicts among Confucian and Islamic states to support in other civilizations groups sympathetic to western values and interests ... to strengthen international institutions that reflect and legitimate western western interests and values, and to promote the involvement of non-western states in those institutions."

That is absolutely not cool. He is literally suggesting that the west promote the very conflict this thread is about! and arguably, that is exactly what we are doing.

I had, before now, sincerely believed that the USA was a force for peace and good in the world, and that organizations like the UN, WTO and IMF were there for the purpose of promoting a peaceful world were open trade can lead to unprecedented prosperity. I believed that the criticisms of those organizations - that they were just puppets espousing western values - were just the empty mutterings of bitter men who wanted one culture - theirs - to reign supreme in what was becoming a planet of pluralism.

but to hear those activities we have been accused of suggested not by our critics, but by an American! And to find out that other Americans are taking this man seriously! And to see my country taking actions that look suspiciously like the ones described by Samuel Huntington in that essay...

This must be how Zeratul felt when he found that Raszagal had been irrevocably corrupted by Kerrigan.
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
January 07 2009 02:59 GMT
#309
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
January 07 2009 05:14 GMT
#310
On January 07 2009 11:16 joyeaux wrote:

This must be how Zeratul felt when he found that Raszagal had been irrevocably corrupted by Kerrigan.

wat
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
frankbg
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada335 Posts
January 08 2009 05:06 GMT
#311
On January 07 2009 08:12 Dalroti wrote:
i appose war.

war stinks. I dont quite understand what's going on. but i have simpler solution. y not divde the Gaza strip in half? The part where the hamas people leave can be part of Palestine, and the Isreal can have its share. wats so hard about compromising..


What the fuck? I'm not trying to flame or anything but did you read yourself after writing this? Either you're on drugs or you have some serious issues with the english language. By the way, before you bring your solution to everything, maybe you should learn how to spell Israel.
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
January 19 2009 01:49 GMT
#312
sad story
Livelovedie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States492 Posts
July 21 2014 04:24 GMT
#313
Figured it made sense to bump this again. So far the casualties are 476 palestinians and 13 IDF soldiers killed.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/meast/mideast-crisis/index.html?hpt=wo_c2
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 21 2014 04:46 GMT
#314
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-evacuate-patients.html

Why are the Israelis shooting at a hospital?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
July 21 2014 04:48 GMT
#315
On July 21 2014 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-evacuate-patients.html

Why are the Israelis shooting at a hospital?

It's a lunatic state, just like the Apartheid regime in their dying days.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
July 21 2014 07:59 GMT
#316
On July 21 2014 13:48 Shiragaku wrote:
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On July 21 2014 13:46 ticklishmusic wrote:
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/hospital-evacuate-patients.html

Why are the Israelis shooting at a hospital?

It's a lunatic state, just like the Apartheid regime in their dying days.

Its not a lunatic state. Likud -- the ruling party -- and Hamas are engaged in a mutual beneficial theater at the cost of their respective peoples. Likud has used the excuse of the kidnappings to undermine the recent Hamas-Fatah unity government -- the unity government which by the way accepted Fatah's policy of recognizing Israel in order to survive -- and build up domestic political support for right wing factions. Hamas is trying to recapture its role as the 'front line' resistance to 'colonialism' or whatever in the Arab world. Between Hamas being cut of by Damascus-Iran because it doesnt more explicitly support Asad's regime and being cut off by the Mosri Egyptian regime for not supporting the rebels AND all the success of various ISlamists in Iraq and Syria the Hamas were finally broke. Their deal with Fatah would have brought in Fatah moneys to keep Hamas' staff paid -- which for the first time they have failed to do this year.

So Netanyahu gets to break up any kind of Palestinian reconciliation, gets a natural war boost. Hamas gets a lot of sympathetic press and more Gulf money its way that previously was going to Syria.

Its actually awfully rational from both sides. As long as we exclude the fact that either want a 'long lasting/just' peace.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4736 Posts
July 21 2014 08:37 GMT
#317
Thats actually pretty interesting. Any source for that (lack of pay on Hamas part)?
Pathetic Greta hater.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15358 Posts
July 21 2014 09:00 GMT
#318
Hey, can you rather make a new thread with an up-to-date OP that gives a summary of what is happening? Thanks.
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