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kw31
Hong Kong162 Posts
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kw31
Hong Kong162 Posts
On January 04 2009 14:12 Jaskwith wrote: Meh...if there is such a suggestion that israel is such a western-backed nation...then what would make you think that the NYT would publish information discrediting their allies?... /run conspiracy theory lol maybe you should look at how much the US helped out Israel before saying anything http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html | ||
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Dariush
Romania330 Posts
On December 31 2008 17:34 Wolverine wrote: I apologise for my ignorance earlier.. But may I ask you, in your country, do you really get stoned to death for adultery or homosexuality? In that case are you able to surf porn sites? If porn sites are restricted, then how are you able to read objective articles on the internet for other things, for example, articles that are pro-Israel? Correct me if I'm wrong I don't know how liberal/totalitarian the legal system is in your country, cyber-laws or otherwise. By the way Locke, I genuinely hope you would give this article a read: http://www.bidstrup.com/zionism.htm - gives you a good background behind the conflict. I need to clarify some things, too much talk about Iran... first off don't mix Iran with arab countries, Iran is separate. about the net importer of oil, well Iran doesn't import oil, but does import most of the gas(benzin) used in the country... i haven't heard about the stoning for a few years now, but i saw a video of it, low quality one, but it was horrible...fucked up really... accessing porn can be done, poeple always find proxies to pass the filter of government. what's the internet for then ?  )And to back Xeris' posts, Iran will NEVER attack Israel, the conflict in that region is actually in favor of our government -which in the top, are not crazy-...something to take attention off of them. I hope this regime that we have now, which is ruling Iran for ~30 years -negligiable compared to 2500+ years of kingdom- can at least wash away Islam from the minds of our people, I saw the reverse effects of it, it is working, people are hating Islam more and more because of them...just a matter of time. on topic now, for the record i don't like both sides, i consider both sides of the conflict ARABS, they are and were brothers, let them kill each other...it wouldn't be the first or the last time. | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
On January 04 2009 13:17 HeavenS wrote: Warning: Graphic and raw amateur footage of aftermath of an IDF attack in Gaza. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b3_1230864719 the reality of Gaza. The shit we don't get to see. The shit that makes saying "gaza deserved it" much harder to say. Its much harder to face when you actually watch the aftermath of such an attack. I dont care who broke the fucking truce, im sure it was both sides. The world should demand absolutely nothing less than a ceasefire from both countries, especially israel. Thanks a lot for sharing this video: the world we live in...  I find it very hard to root for either country, since both of them are doing some fucked up shit. It's very hard to root for Israel, because they shouldn't be in the West Bank to begin with, and they tend to just ignore international law where they see fit. Also rooting for the country that fights hand held rockets with jet planes seems somewhat grotesque: propertionate responses please. On the other hand suicide bombings and rockets into civilian quarters, Hamas, is not something any sane person would support. No matter your current situation, blowing yourself and 20 others up is never acceptable. I've plowed through the majority of the wikipedia article, and it really seems like both parties are idiots - Israel perhaps a bit more than Palestine. If they really wanted peace, it seems some sort of negotations would be a step in the right direction. I doubt Bush has done a lot to help the situation either, and perhaps the US should just back the fuck up and don't abuse their veto power in the security counsel. Just my 2, very poorly written, c's. I hope for a peaceful solutions, but it really involves both parties getting down from their thrones and meeting each other on equal footing. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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qrs
United States3637 Posts
On January 04 2009 21:06 Hans-Titan wrote: It's very hard to root for Israel, because they shouldn't be in the West Bank to begin with. Honestly? They have more reason to be in the West Bank than the US has to be in California. The West Bank was claimed and controlled by Jordan when it declared war on Israel in 1967; Israel captured it in the course of that war. I don't want to really get involved in questions of right and wrong involving territories, because they're frankly too complicated for me, and there are too many sides to every question. Israel never annexed the West Bank as far as I know, and there's a lot of politics involved too. Maybe Israel shouldn't be in the West Bank, but does that mean they should hand it over to the Palestinians? When previous transfers of land have done nothing to stop terrorism (on the contrary, giving terrorists a wider base)? My only point is that it's easy for outsiders (me as much as anyone, of course) to criticize, and another thing to be there on the ground. Don't judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes, etc.: that goes for the Gazans as well as Israel (oh, by the way, Gaza is not the West Bank, Hans). | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
The sad reality is that when Israel evacuated Gush Katif we not only strengthened the terrorists physically, we also gave them and the world the message that Israel is not really ours. We gave up our justice in a sense, and no country can exist well without a sense of justice(sometimes its a twisted justice like in many totalitarian countries, but it's still necessary). We cannot defeat the Palestinian terror because our leadership agrees with its cause in a sense. If our leaders say that Hebron is not Israel, that half of Jerusalem is not Israel, that the burial place of Joseph isn't Israel than Tel Aviv and Raanana are certainly not Israel. There is no justification for Israel's existence except to be a country for Jews and try as we may we can not escape the fact that Judea(West Bank) is the core of our history. If Israel is willing to give up the monument of the graves of Abraham, Isaac and Jakob in Hebron what right does Tel Aviv has to exist? Setting aside religion and all that, THEY are the reason we are here and not anywhere else, not any UN decision and not even the holocaust. Would America ever give up Mount Rushmore? | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
it would be too big disaster and in other hand iran is not so sad when iraq, palestina, libanon... are fucked up  one iraqi profesor said to me: we hate iran more than israel, milion times more than israel | ||
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Locke.
Israel562 Posts
On January 05 2009 04:54 oneofthem wrote: funny you mention rushmore, because that was indian land. that made me laugh | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28669 Posts
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purgerinho
Croatia919 Posts
of course, it is retorical speech.. i wouldn't want nukes anywhere.. but i would love that this thing stop.. i can't cry if some israeli lover dies when israel is state made after genocide and deaths of innocent ppl... and it is here for 60 yrs, six decades of killings, death and destruction.. and i'm sad coz of it.. coz of bush policie i wasn't sad after 9/11, i was happy in some way, some sick way.. and in some sick way i wuld be happy if arabs destroy israel like israel destroyed palestina.. it is sick but i can't help myself anymore.. when i would be closer to israel i wuld go in war against them, i would stood on palestinas side in real life.. isn't it sick? i'm really peaceful guy but policie of israel and usa makes me so angry, i'm just like animal.. | ||
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purgerinho
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Tacticas
Israel74 Posts
that's because Israel is so humanitary, that we won't attack those places if it kills so many innocent civilians. Also, in the 2006 Lebanon war, Hamas purposely fired rockets from populated villages. So that when we attack them, many civilians will die - and the world will protest. That's exactly what they want. Did you know that israel is right now risking its own soldiers' lives, by sending them into Gaza? why? Because if israel wanted to destroy hamas/gaza etc., they COULD simply bomb the fuck out of it and not risk soldiers. But, so many civilians would die.. so instead, we risk our own soldiers, sending them to the what i think is a death trap (hamas is well armed, trained, and ready) just so palestinians', who actually CHOSE the hamas, wouldn't get hurt. So i think that tells you a bit about how israel and hamas value people's lives. western vs arab world much... | ||
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