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Physician
United States4146 Posts
Continued here.. http://news.gotgame.com/buttoned-up-why-pc-remains-the-rts-king/21765/ written by adamt Nothing many of us have not experience already but nicely written - still it raises the question, will we ever see a decent interphase (controller) for RTS from a console? As consoles acquire more and more PC functions, and PCs get smaller it will probably end up happening. | ||
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village_idiot
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Azrael1111
United States550 Posts
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nataziel
Australia1455 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2748 Posts
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DwmC_Foefen
Belgium2186 Posts
 Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind | ||
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PobTheCad
Australia893 Posts
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village_idiot
2436 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:46 DwmC_Foefen wrote: I want mindcontrolled consoles Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind Hahaha, how lazy can you get? | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:37 Azrael1111 wrote: I hate console controllers, the inaccuracy of them is outrageous imo. I agree. Totally. Sure, for an RTS console controller you could have buttons to switch your mouse to minimap, hold a button down to drag, another joystick to move the cursor, hotkey buttons, etc.......... BUT THEN IT'D BE THE SAME AS THE KEYBOARD. And obviously, no keyboard shortcuts. Imagine clicking the unit portrait with your JOYSTICK every time you want to build something. People would have to spend massive amounts of time simply practicing clicking on units then reverting back. No one would play a RTS on a console so we don't need controllers. PC games ftw. | ||
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ffswowsucks
Greece2294 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. POint taken, you cant. so dont say that you can. | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
it is not about being lazy but having perfect controls | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
 And those are basically the only games I play so... By the time the consoles have gained all the features that I want my gaming station to have they will already have become computers so I don't see the point in consoles at all ._. They were fun back in the days of NES/SNES. | ||
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Disarray
United States1164 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:46 DwmC_Foefen wrote: I want mindcontrolled consoles Imagine, any game(rts, fps, ...) where you can do everything with your mind Reload? use mind, Shoot? use mind, 5pool? use mind Hahaha my brother and I had a conversation with a guy some time ago. He said something kinda similar to this (he was a war3 fan, btw). We made a prediction that eventually all RTS would have such advanced AI that simply by pushing a button, all your workers would do a perfect split at the beginning and build more workers! Then you push another button for a build you want, say mutalisks. You can just watch as your hatcheries get some mutas. After that, you press another button. All your mutas stack up, and do some GOSU JULY micro against the opponent. Like, flawlessly. (we weren't under the influence) Me and my brother thought it would totally degrade RTS and eliminate skill differentiation completely. The war3 fan said, "No, that will only cause RTS games to get more intense and exciting.....BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY." | ||
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
I can only imagine playing an FPS/TPS on a console only because I have although going from mouse to controller is mad annoying. BUt i really can't see playing a RTS on the console...i guess we'll have to see how Halo Wars does. | ||
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naonao
United States847 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
For FPS, you are aiming for one small matrix, given the head. The accuracy you need is to gauge how fast to press the joystick and in the correct direction. In RTS, you have to drag boxes, click on masses of, albeit larger, matrixes, though very many smaller ones, not to mention move them in the right places. Imagine dodging lurker spines on a XBox 360. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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fast ball player
206 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:54 Loanshark wrote: I agree. Totally. Sure, for an RTS console controller you could have buttons to switch your mouse to minimap, hold a button down to drag, another joystick to move the cursor, hotkey buttons, etc.......... BUT THEN IT'D BE THE SAME AS THE KEYBOARD. And obviously, no keyboard shortcuts. Imagine clicking the unit portrait with your JOYSTICK every time you want to build something. People would have to spend massive amounts of time simply practicing clicking on units then reverting back. No one would play a RTS on a console so we don't need controllers. PC games ftw. lol, exactly, that is the trend blizz is going down. eventually just type mutas and it'll do a perfect build order. i have no idea why they want to eliminate skill in their games. it's as if you are playing a chess computer game, and instead of moving the individual pieces you typed in 'play' and watched your pieces get moved like a grandmaster. | ||
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TryThis
Canada1522 Posts
no, it blew ass | ||
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twincannon
United States31 Posts
I've always been very big into FPS and that is where you can really see the PC / console war at it's hottest. It's pretty easy to tell that console loses sorely in that regard but every console player is quick to defend it and are usually in denial about their precious analog stick, when the sad truth is they can't even do a simple thing like turning 180o quickly. As for making RTS work on a console, it'd require some drastically new thinking to be sure. Drag-and-click would certainly have to be abandoned. That or consoles would just have to finally adopt the mouse/keyboard. PS3 accepts PC mouse/keyboard plug'n'play so that's certainly a step in the right direction. | ||
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. Ignorant post is ignorant. Virtually all FPS games on the console have auto-aim since Goldeneye for the N64. Developers know you can't be as quick or as accurate with a controller, so they provide a crutch. The only game I've seen in recent times that doesn't have auto-aim on the console is Left4Dead. GoW2, Halo3, Unreal Tournament III -- they all make use of that feature in some way. Console gaming is about casual play. It will never compete with the -- for lack of a better word -- "hardcoreness" of PC gaming. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
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pirate cod
810 Posts
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uNiGNoRe
Germany1115 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:37 Azrael1111 wrote: I hate console controllers, the inaccuracy of them is outrageous imo. On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. | ||
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MarklarMarklar
Fiji1823 Posts
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:32 village_idiot wrote: Just design a console with mouse and keyboard support. But then you'd need a chair and a table to use them... and you need to place the TV on the table to see shit... nintendo wii -cough- how? wiimote = mouse and wii has built in support for USB keyboards. but that still won't help in play. I guess if you wanted to play SC you would have to do it all by mouse(or wiimote). keyboard is just used for hotkeys | ||
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. keys used in Team Fortress 2: wasdergyuv[shift][ctrl][,][.] all of these can be easily mapped to a controller. movement, reload, taunt, chat, duck, jump, change class/team. it's a little harder to map basically the entire keyboard to a controller. | ||
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Raelcun
United States3747 Posts
![[image loading]](http://news.gotgame.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/end.jpg) The main problem I have with consoles are how the joysticks have so much of a learning curve involved, the wiimote is the closest thing to a mouse but it's annoying as @#$! because you have to have the sensitivity PERFECT for you and if it gets changed you're screwed. Plus pointing a remote at the screen and moving it around isnt half as intuitive as putting your hand on a mouse. Wiimote requires 3 dimensions of movement in most games, a mouse requires two. | ||
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. The hitboxes are pretty big in Halo aren't they? | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
On December 29 2008 21:41 Navane wrote: imho if you can fps with headshots on a console, you can play rts on a console. If you can headshot without auto-aim on a console and play an rts without hotkeys or control groups... | ||
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