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http://www.pinktentacle.com/2008/12/scientists-extract-images-directly-from-brain/
Researchers from Japan’s ATR Computational Neuroscience Laboratories have developed new brain analysis technology that can reconstruct the images inside a person’s mind and display them on a computer monitor, it was announced on December 11. According to the researchers, further development of the technology may soon make it possible to view other people’s dreams while they sleep.
The scientists were able to reconstruct various images viewed by a person by analyzing changes in their cerebral blood flow. Using a functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) machine, the researchers first mapped the blood flow changes that occurred in the cerebral visual cortex as subjects viewed various images held in front of their eyes. Subjects were shown 400 random 10 x 10 pixel black-and-white images for a period of 12 seconds each. While the fMRI machine monitored the changes in brain activity, a computer crunched the data and learned to associate the various changes in brain activity with the different image designs.
Then, when the test subjects were shown a completely new set of images, such as the letters N-E-U-R-O-N, the system was able to reconstruct and display what the test subjects were viewing based solely on their brain activity.
For now, the system is only able to reproduce simple black-and-white images. But Dr. Kang Cheng, a researcher from the RIKEN Brain Science Institute, suggests that improving the measurement accuracy will make it possible to reproduce images in color.
“These results are a breakthrough in terms of understanding brain activity,” says Dr. Cheng. “In as little as 10 years, advances in this field of research may make it possible to read a person’s thoughts with some degree of accuracy.”
The researchers suggest a future version of this technology could be applied in the fields of art and design — particularly if it becomes possible to quickly and accurately access images existing inside an artist’s head. The technology might also lead to new treatments for conditions such as psychiatric disorders involving hallucinations, by providing doctors a direct window into the mind of the patient.
ATR chief researcher Yukiyasu Kamitani says, “This technology can also be applied to senses other than vision. In the future, it may also become possible to read feelings and complicated emotional states.”
The research results appear in the December 11 issue of US science journal Neuron.
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dang, that's pretty crazy. But i think displaying dreams will be quite a challenge since they are so much more complex.
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Science will never cease to advance, still loving it
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wow this is fucking crazy...
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hmmm can they force images into our head? that'd be pretty scary...
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Link is dead, Another source?
lol, the irony of the psychiatric uses for this. "get outta my head!" then they are actually in there lookin around.
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Tinfoil hats at the ready...
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THis has beena round for a while here in Mexico, if everything runs smoothly and they can guarantee 100% that what they extract is for real, this can also be used to see what a dead person last saw before he/she died (yes the brain stores information even after death), at least thats what some researches are doing in my Med School 
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Wow... i LOVE science!!!!!!!
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Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit...
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On December 12 2008 10:18 PaeZ wrote:THis has beena round for a while here in Mexico, if everything runs smoothly and they can guarantee 100% that what they extract is for real, this can also be used to see what a dead person last saw before he/she died (yes the brain stores information even after death), at least thats what some researches are doing in my Med School
What do you mean runs smoothly?
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On December 12 2008 10:20 prOxi.swAMi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:18 PaeZ wrote:THis has beena round for a while here in Mexico, if everything runs smoothly and they can guarantee 100% that what they extract is for real, this can also be used to see what a dead person last saw before he/she died (yes the brain stores information even after death), at least thats what some researches are doing in my Med School What do you mean runs smoothly? He is clearly lieing or joking. Some people are so fucking gullible lol.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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It does this by watching blood flow? I'm doubting this could be used on anyone without calibrating it first, as I doubt everyone has blood vessels in exactly the same places. I have no real clue though.
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i swear there has been several movies or tv shows that has used such a technique, usually to catch a murderer.
can't seem to place a name on any of them though...
i'm fairly sure that the idea has been around for a while so i wouldn't be too surprised if some research has been done on it (well, obviously there has been).
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On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit...
You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much.
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On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go.
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On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go.
so you are worried...
has anyone confirmed if the article is real?
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Holy shit that is some pretty amazing technology. I agree, a little scary though, they can now officially read your mind!
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Man this shit makes me feel that being part of the human race will be very different in 20 years. Imagine if there were two kinds of artists, traditional artists who use their hands to reproduce what they have in their heads as accurately as possible, and artists who let the machine do that work for them but hoan their mental abilities so that they envision it perfectly.
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On December 12 2008 10:24 alffla wrote:
WOW THATS INSANENEE O_OO
INSANE IN THE MEMBRANE???
also calling bullshit
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On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries".
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On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries".
calm down lol
and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid.
compromise - an uneasy nervousness then.
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btw good job TL on overdosing the guy's allowed bandwidth (although it says CPU usage exceeded????? for the site)
=D
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On December 12 2008 10:32 Spike wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries". calm down lol and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid. No, I am not, learn to comprehend English.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worried
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thedeadhaji
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I'd be impressed - if I believed it for a second, that is.
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Does this work if you aren't staring at the pictures?
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On December 12 2008 10:34 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:32 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries". calm down lol and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid. No, I am not, learn to comprehend English. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worried
selfowned
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On December 12 2008 10:34 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:32 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries". calm down lol and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid. No, I am not, learn to comprehend English. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worried
I was going to JLIG, but meh, fuck it.
Look, you're obviously apprehensive/uneasy about the procedure.
"Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit..."
"I'm not worried about this, I just think it's an area that Science should not go'
ok...
To quote some of the definitions provided by your link:
having or characterized by worry; concerned; anxious.
a worried condition or feeling; uneasiness or anxiety.
To feel uneasy or concerned about something; be troubled.
Arguing about a definition, a new low 
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huh... wow sense of privacy just seems to be evaporating these days...
think about it.. stuff u imagine (most of hte time with imagery) can be extrapolated out of u and then there the web which would be the msot awesome place to spread it...
haha marines and special ops now have to go through even more extra training so this stuff can't work on them during interrogation? ridiculous!
though... it means we can use em too...
but~ that means first getting it right? I mean come on.. plenty of ppl have faked these kinds of stuff u guys realize just how fukin complex the brain is?
for this to work first off u would have to penetrate the head of the said person (we are no where near being able to read brain waves for stuff other than oh he's sleeping or oh he's awake or oh he's dead...). Then some how u would need extremely fine wires that can connect to individual nerve axons w/o damaging them (or some kind of electric potential detector that can wrap around each nerves...) and that's the ez part
HOW THE FUK R U GONNA TRANSLATE IT?!
you wouldn't even know if the nerves u got are right which means u can't try and guess that certain patterns mean blah... also test subject may be thinking of something else, etc.
and if all that was somehow done right... then there would be no fuzziness.. rather there should be no fuzziness, because the computer translating the nerve activities will make it so that it's as crisp as possible...
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On December 12 2008 10:20 prOxi.swAMi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:18 PaeZ wrote:THis has beena round for a while here in Mexico, if everything runs smoothly and they can guarantee 100% that what they extract is for real, this can also be used to see what a dead person last saw before he/she died (yes the brain stores information even after death), at least thats what some researches are doing in my Med School What do you mean runs smoothly?
There's still a few kinks to be worked out. Sometimes the dead person comes back to life as a zombie and spends eternity feasting on the brains of the living.
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On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit...
On December 12 2008 10:34 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:32 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries". calm down lol and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid. No, I am not, learn to comprehend English. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worried
yeah you are worried based on that definition, stop getting pissed off over that. It doesnt make you look like a pussy, at least until you started going batshit insane over that fact
EDIT: oh someone already said w/e i just said.
And for the record, I feel a little anxious too, this opens doors to implanting stuff into the brain too right? ( i mean like ideas and images and whatnot), and we're going to have a huge turnover in privacy rights if this becomes commercial for investigators to use (i hope stuff like this won't fall into the hands of ordinary citizens)
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On December 12 2008 10:51 crazie-penguin wrote:
this opens doors to implanting stuff into the brain too right?
No.
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I can't wait for the day when I can download kung-fu, mathematics, and cheat codes into my brain.
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On December 12 2008 10:52 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:51 crazie-penguin wrote:
this opens doors to implanting stuff into the brain too right? No.
I was thinking along the lines of like reading and writing, i know zero (well im taking psych right now, so maybe i know A LITTLE  ) about neuroscience. But, why not?
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I am actually pretty excited by this new find.
Technology/Science seems to have hit a wall in terms of a revolutionary/paradigm shift for some time now (that I know of).
Interested in seeing where this will lead.
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now we can understand women, yes...?
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On December 12 2008 10:55 SirGlinG wrote:
now we can understand women, yes...?
That's impossible.
But no I'd really like to see where this technology goes within the next 10-20 years. Maybe they'll be capable of mapping out a persons dreams. I think that would be very interesting to see. I for one, can never remember my dreams, unless I write them down as soon as I wake up. I think I've only had 2 very vivid dreams in my life.
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On December 12 2008 10:34 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:32 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries". calm down lol and yea, you're worried; never said you were paranoid. No, I am not, learn to comprehend English. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/worried
ROFL see what happens when you come off as a giant dickhead to people? SELF OWNED! but don't "worry" we'll get over it.
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On December 12 2008 10:54 crazie-penguin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:52 SonuvBob wrote:On December 12 2008 10:51 crazie-penguin wrote:
this opens doors to implanting stuff into the brain too right? No. I was thinking along the lines of like reading and writing, i know zero (well im taking psych right now, so maybe i know A LITTLE ) about neuroscience. But, why not?
I don't know much either, but judging from the OP writing would involve changing blood flow in specific places in a specific way, which doesn't sound very plausible, whereas reading it is pretty easy (the hard part for that is knowing where to look and how to interpret it, which seems to be the breakthrough here).
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wowow that is awesome
i love shit like this.
eventually record dreams o.0 wow sweet.
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Sweden33719 Posts
Wtf I could have sworn this was in the wrong forum T_T
Nevermind this post.
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Oh damn... They will plant probes in our brains and be able to see anything we do. AHH REVOLUTION! WE MUST STOP THEM.
BISU: LEAD US TO VICTORY!
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i don't see what the huge deal is here....it's common sense. they're reading the reaction of the brain (by blood flow to which areas, how much, etc). the brain reacts a certain way to an "A". all the computer is doing is seeing what the reaction of the brain is to that and printing out that shown image when it sees that reaction again. the only interesting thing here is the accuracy needed for the data.
the main problem with this is that the comp learns by seeing the reaction of the brain. the most straightforward way of teaching the computer is to show it everything that the brain would react to, and so it can interpret anything the brain "experiences". now obviously that's impossible, it would take ages to show a brain every possible stimuli. it stands to reason that there will be similarities b/n stimuli...we all make connections between objects. case in point - i'm sure a certain song will remind u of something, like a song can remind u of a dance u had with a girl or something along those lines. the brain will react not only to the song, but also the memory of that event that the song reminds you of. so, the problem is differentiating b/n these two different brain reactions. and then of course one has to consider that the connections in everyone's brain is different. no two ppl have the same brain. true, the letter "A" will probably incite a very similar neural response b/n any two ppl, but will it be similar enough for the computer to determine that both ppl are seeing an "A"? only time will tell.
personally, i'm not sure i agree with the advancement of this technology. sure, it'd be nice to see exactly what an artist does, but if this is used on witnesses for a crime, i can see problems arising. nobody's memory is perfect, and how would one tell if what the brain is "seeing" from a memory is actually what occurred, or if it's partial truth mixed with imagination? if the brain itself doesn't know if it's lying, would those centers of the brain that are associated with lying show any activity?
as for this technology being used to force an image into someone's head; this has nothing to do with that. to do so one would have to incite the exact same activity in the brain as would have occurred if they had actually seen that image...which isn't exactly possible with current technology. so at least we don't have to worry about that
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I'm not sure that you comprehend,brjdrb, the mind-blowing awesomeness of somehow converting the brain's signals into digital outputs... I think this would be a great lie detector of sorts.
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On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much.
you're not okay with the lhc and you're posting in a science related thread?
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MURICA15980 Posts
Soon, we will have the matrix =D
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so they will scientifically read whats on the artists minds and what makes them special? that kills imo the whole concept of an artist,
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This is amazing and i dont understand why some of you are "worried" about this, its not like they made a new kind of bomb.
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at last my Protoss brethren! we will have the psi-link we've all been waiting for....
No seriously, if this shit comes to pass that we can record our dreams.. every living and dead hot celebrity will have a fucking scandal with each one of us...
This will be the new era.. every single movie in hollywood would be sucking balls because our dreams have better action packed films in them...
Non-addicts can now relate to the crack/meth addicts since they can show what they been hallucinating about..
This is the new world.. This is the new YouTube!
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On December 12 2008 10:55 SirGlinG wrote:
now we can understand women, yes...?
not sure but i think they need brain for this to work , so no .
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Now people will know how often I think about having sex with the women around me. This can only lead to bad things =).
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Incredible. Looking at those letters gives me goosebumps..
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On December 12 2008 14:18 pooper-scooper wrote:
Now people will know how often I think about having sex with the women around me. This can only lead to bad things =).
this
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Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
I was gonna say that. Whoa, slow down!
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
A lot of things we do is too much. That's why we won't be here for much longer.
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
what does this even mean?
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
Holy crap.
The article is for real btw, here's the link for the abstract in the journal : http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(08)00958-6
I don't know this journal, but it has a pretty high impact factor, so it must be a reference in the field. There's still a long way to go, but what they have already achieved is pretty amazing.
On December 12 2008 10:33 EtherealDeath wrote:
btw good job TL on overdosing the guy's allowed bandwidth (although it says CPU usage exceeded????? for the site)
=D
TL doesn't have enough audience for that. The page has been digg'ed.
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I think technology develops faster and changes things faster than humanity's maturity can catch up... things are going to get interesting, maybe even terrifying.
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i like how this is next to the simpsons pornography thread
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
agreed
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On December 12 2008 14:59 ilj.psa wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much? agreed
Disagree, we didnt even colonize another planet yet, we are so far behind.
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bet 20 bucks in the future when this technology is available and more powerful that there will be channels devoted to where they show the dreams of people high on crack or something.
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Belgium9947 Posts
On December 12 2008 15:15 swat wrote:
bet 20 bucks in the future when this technology is available and more powerful that there will be channels devoted to where they show the dreams of people high on crack or something.
i'll take it
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Actually, the science advances too slowly. I expect they would be able to extract movies from human and animal brain in HD format by NOW. X-(
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I think it's premature to assume that this technology will be successful in analyzing more complex images and thoughts. This research still seems to be in its proof-of-concept stage, and will require lots of time, interest, and funding in order to reach that next step.
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On December 12 2008 10:03 rushz0rz wrote:
hmmm can they force images into our head? that'd be pretty scary...
Chaos;Head ftw
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I wonder what transduction methods they're using there. I'm pretty sure they're using some simple electro-chemical measurement system. With some optical based trandsuction system they'd definitely get the sensitivity they are after
Really really cool, can't wait for more updates
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Oh! Questions!
If the subject has really bad vision, the resulting pictures would also be respectively inaccurate?
And also, what if a person with those conditions that they read everything backwards or upside down?
What if the subject doesn't understand what he/she is seeing? Like they see ink blots and are told to visualize what it's supposed to be... does their visualition show up or does what they actually see show up?
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omgosh thats so awesome. i can watch like 5 seasons of house with that thing. and probably listen to like 1000 other songs with that too (if it produced sound)
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Sweet 1 step closer for better ways to cyber
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GOD, such useless endeavors... when will they make my time machine already.
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
You know Ted Kaczynski thought that too.
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Norway28669 Posts
shiit this is huge
not too surprised tho, I remember reading a couple years ago some prediction stating it would be possible to like, upload brain content to an external harddrive within 15-20 years or something. this is a big step along that route. ;p
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Norway28669 Posts
and its obviously dangerous in what it can enable the government to do
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Wow, technology just keeps getting better and better.
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sweet maybe itll work without having to be asleep.
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On December 12 2008 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:and its obviously dangerous in what it can enable the government to do
Yeah, all of this shit is amazing but it's gonna be disgusting if there's somebody who wants to abuse such things like this.
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MyLostTemple
United States2921 Posts
wow this is so fucking cool.
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On December 12 2008 15:38 Not_Computer wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:03 rushz0rz wrote:
hmmm can they force images into our head? that'd be pretty scary... Chaos;Head ftw
LOL good, i wasn't the only one thinking this.
Btw, this is amazing, looking forward to what else the future has in store.
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i would give at least half of my lifetime if i could rewatch my best dreams whenever i want
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On December 12 2008 14:42 Catyoul wrote:Holy crap. The article is for real btw, here's the link for the abstract in the journal : http://www.cell.com/neuron/abstract/S0896-6273(08)00958-6I don't know this journal, but it has a pretty high impact factor, so it must be a reference in the field. There's still a long way to go, but what they have already achieved is pretty amazing.
Cell, along with Nature and Science is one of the main scientific journals in the world (I'm a bachelor biochemistry and a master biology).
That said, as told by other, yes this is real. And yes, this is also far, far away from implanting images in someone's mind or even reading's someone's mind.
To try and explain how this works a bit. The brain is divided into parts, where each part has it's own ability. This goes for big parts, like the visual cortex, which obviously regulates sight, as well as for small parts. fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) allows someone to look at blood flow in the brains. When a region becomes active more blood will flow to that region. Now that fMRI has become more and more advanced it allows you to look at increasingly smaller parts of the brain. That is why right now it is able to differentiate between the blood flow that occurs when looking at the letter A as compared to when looking at the letter I. This is ofcourse far far away from mind-reading or even understanding more complex thoughts or dreams.
That doesn't mean ofcourse that this isn't a huge scientific breakthrough.
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On December 12 2008 14:30 RoieTRS wrote:
Ever think that maybe science advances too much?
Moot point. Scientific advancement is one of those things that once they happen, they can't be undone. Look at human rights, democracy, concept of "capitalism," nuclear bomb. In retrospect we may like or dislike them, but from a completely historic, non-normative standpoint, once they happen, they happen. To try to cover the idea up afterwards is probably going to be extremely difficult and end in failure.
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and you all laughed at me and my tin foil hat
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On December 12 2008 10:31 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2008 10:27 Spike wrote:On December 12 2008 10:26 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 12 2008 10:25 FzeroXx wrote:On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit... You're okay with the LHC, but scared about this? Eyescan technology, implanted electronics, etc.. All that shit is already out there. I wouldn't worry too much. I'm not worried about this, I just think its an area Science should not go. so you are worried... has anyone confirmed if the article is real? You are fucking dumb. There is a difference between "they're gonna read my mind man!" or some kind of worry, and saying "hey, thats kind of creepy...boundaries".
why does it even matter. it's not like they will force people to sit down so they can poke around in their thoughts.
OR WILL THEY???O_O
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On December 12 2008 16:25 Liquid`Drone wrote:and its obviously dangerous in what it can enable the government to do
assuming they could go further with this to read thoughts...it would be a great alternative to torture...although it would cause tons of issues too haha
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There's no US science journal called "Neuron", and the claims of this article are unclear (as are most of the comments posted here).
Here's some more sources to get a better handle on what the information that spawned this blog post:
The Japanese researcher in question's academic site:
http://www.cns.atr.jp/~kmtn/
There are links there to various popular media outlets talking about some of this research. There are also links to PDFs of some of his published work, should you have the technical knowledge to understand any of it.
I'm still not sure what this original post is claiming. If anyone feels enlightened, let me know.
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this is sweet. soon you can go somewhere and extract memory photos ! (or videos)
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eventually, science will become so advanced. it will destroy us.
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MrHoon
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On December 16 2008 00:41 Action Bastard wrote:
eventually, science will become so advanced. it will destroy us.
WHERE IS JOHN CONNER
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sure this is cool, but making people's dreams isn't the only thing this can do if it can read thoughts. like everything that has a lot of power it also has the potential to be exploited in a very harmful way.
think about what the military envisions when it reads this. I wonder if this'll put an end to torture or if it'll make it much worse.
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On December 16 2008 00:57 distant_voice wrote:
sure this is cool, but making people's dreams isn't the only thing this can do if it can read thoughts. like everything that has a lot of power it also has the potential to be exploited in a very harmful way.
think about what the military envisions when it reads this. I wonder if this'll put an end to torture or if it'll make it much worse. i assume with government agents 99% of the time they would consider torturing someone it's just for information. tbh i'm not really against torture if the target refuses to divulge information about criminal accomplices. for example if a person running a child raping club refused to cough up information regarding other members that would lead to their capture, i think it's pretty much ok to torture them in order to get the information.
technology like this would make that basically unnecessary and you can just do whatever with the felons after you've got what you need from them so it would be helpful for "law enforcement", but this technology wouldn't really affect those who torture for other reasons
so i guess the FBI better get it's union reps on the phone to stop this technology being pursued amirite!
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On December 12 2008 10:20 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Are we suppose to be happy about this accomplishment? Seriously, science has a fucking limit...
its only dreams and pictures... its not like cloning humans or excessive cybernetic implants
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
this is just SICK. a stake in the heart of mentalistic theories of mind.
On December 16 2008 00:41 Action Bastard wrote:
eventually, science will become so advanced. it will destroy us.
if we have the judgment of children, maybe.
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science has no limit. you can't stop it anyway. but we need regulations about what is allowed to use and what isn't.
I don't like nuclear power but I'm all for putting more research into it (this might be wishful thinking, but maybe one day we will have power from controlled fusion), and I'd endorse keeping genetically "enhanced" products off the market, but once we know for sure that they won't do any harm (to us and to the environment) I have no qualms about using that technology either.
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On December 16 2008 02:30 oneofthem wrote:
this is just SICK. a stake in the heart of mentalistic theories of mind.
why? mentalists don't believe that the brain is some kind of magic machine where thoughts are produced through the will of god or something.
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On December 16 2008 02:38 distant_voice wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2008 02:30 oneofthem wrote:
this is just SICK. a stake in the heart of mentalistic theories of mind. why? mentalists don't believe that the brain is some kind of magic machine where thoughts are produced through the will of god or something.
men·tal·ism (mntl-zm)
n.
1. Parapsychological activities, such as telepathy and mind reading.
2. The belief that some mental phenomena cannot be explained by physical laws.
They do, according to dictionary.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
You're not gonna read my brain now fuckers!
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