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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
January 05 2009 02:29 GMT
#121
L - surprised no one had brought up Krav Maga until now.

So am I.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 05 2009 02:29 GMT
#122
Drone, I honestly didn't get that latter vibe from baal's posts, they are just stating that traditional vs. mixed martial arts, the mixed wins in a fight of competent masters of each. He wasn't saying anything about the spiritual or philosophic aspects of martial arts being trash (except the one post about reading a book instead, but this still acknowledges the presence of these aspects). It was a purely physical comparison. People started getting defensive about how he wasn't addressing the wider picture of martial arts, which clearly wasn't his purpose.
Peace~
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 05 2009 02:31 GMT
#123
Spike; Gunfu > Kungfu in terms of survival of life and death.

haha
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masami.sc
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States445 Posts
January 05 2009 03:14 GMT
#124
BJJ is good for 1 on 1 defense and incapacitation imo. Of course, on trained practitioners it would be very difficult, but to average people who don't practice bjj it would be pretty easy to choke them out. But for fights against multiple opponents... well... that's just unfair, seriously. But I would have to say a more brute martial art would work better against multiple opponents. Like boxing or muay thai or krav maga. I also heard that taekwondo is useful against multiple opponents, but who knows...
mmmmm...
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
January 05 2009 03:18 GMT
#125
just watched it. not bad. 8/10
Terran is SOoOo over-powered~!! Especially in TvT~!
Not_Computer
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada2277 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 03:26:31
January 05 2009 03:25 GMT
#126
this looks amazing

anyone know how to get subtitles to work on GOM Player?
my WMP plays the movie super quiet (even on max everything is barely audible)

edit: I tried the Alt+E to open the subtitle screen but it loads and stuff but I still don't see any subtitles... and why is it in Mandarin in the first place? If it was in canto I wouldn't need subtitles... (all 3 audio tracks are mando)
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28789 Posts
January 05 2009 03:36 GMT
#127
i wasnt really blaming baal of doing what I complained about ;p
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-05 03:55:49
January 05 2009 03:53 GMT
#128
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On January 05 2009 09:14 baal wrote:
Depends how do you judge the muscle strenght, if its for applied pressure then it is the jaw muscle, about sheer power is the Quadricepts.

You know absolutely nothing about fighting, there are better styles you idiot, its not the man also the style, why do you see hundreds of fighters using Muay Thai in MMA and not a single one using WuShu?, coincidence?

Id like to know those Jiujitsu moves not allowed in MMA, because past UFC (and current asosiation like RioHeroes) had pretty much only 2 rules:

1.- No biting
2.- No eye gouging.

They even allowed groin punches/kicks.


I can see your ignorance about fighting because you are the clasical dumb kid who believes in martial art movies and the " 1 hit kill " there is no such thing you moron, you sure could punch an untrained person in the chest and break his spleen.

Also its a retarded concept if its a fight to death ur goal is to knock them out, becaus as soon as they are out you can just stomp them to death, or to just break an arm or a join, because they are as good as dead.

There is no Vietnam vet who will kill fedor in a split of a second ROFL what int he fuck haha.


I didn't even read this until now, poor baal, you got owned man, saying all those to insult me doesn't save you from that fact that your entire argument is brought down in one sentence. I'm not saying I know a lot about martial art or fighting, all i am saying is that you are wrong in logic.

On January 05 2009 09:33 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 09:24 baal wrote:
the fact is that most martial arts are plain inefficient and MMA has proved that over and over and over.


Your logic is wrong, your "fact" can only support Most martial arts are plain ineffecient in MMA with MMA rules, and MMA has proved that over and over and over again.

read my post in the last page see and give me a reply plz.


ouch Baal, what now? more insults coming my way? I can taste it already boy.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
January 05 2009 04:32 GMT
#129
while the trailers look awesome, i'm afraid it's gonna be like fearless/hero, or big budgeted action flicks with shitty story/acting/direction but awesome fight scenes. The mandarin dub already sounds awkward as hell. Should get Ang Lee to direct every martial arts movie imo.
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
January 05 2009 04:43 GMT
#130
It would be fairly stupid IMO to put together a great drama and intersperse it with fight scenes. You either have a good drama or a good kung fu movie. Combining them doesn't work.
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:00 GMT
#131
On January 05 2009 09:31 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 09:22 baal wrote:
On January 05 2009 08:52 fanatacist wrote:
Thanks for the informative post baal. What do you think of Bruce Lee's fighting style? It's a mix of other martial arts, so it shouldn't have the specific weaknesses of only taekwando or kung fu, etc. Also, I think the strength of the user should be considered in the fact that to perform certain techniques that make say JJ > kung fu (arbitrary example) would be impossible due to the level of mastery of the kung fu user. Is this somewhat true? I'm not knowledgeable about the details of trained fighting so I'm just wondering.

Could current fighters take down Bruce Lee?


Bruce Lee was definitelly walking the right path and you could see he was one of the fathers of MMA.

He actually tried to get rid of all the martial arts "bullshit" and created Jun Fan Jee Kune Do.

Bruce Lee actually said that the perform of Katas and forms were like trying to learn how to swim in dry land, and he even trained some grappling techniques for the ground.

So Bruce Lee is actually a mixed martial artist, however since he were raised in them and he had no one to really compete against in a sport-like envirmoent like current MMA, he didnt develop the exact right techniques, he over emphatized the importance of speed and still used old and useless stands and techniques.


On your question about Bruce Lee competing in modern MMA, well the "old" Lee, lets say you revive him with no new training, he would be a competent fighter in his weight class, he would be definitely beating by the top fighters in his weight class tho.

If u revive Lee and let him train with a modern MMA concept he would probably be champion of his weight class in a short time.

He would get absolutely destroyed regardless of any kind of training in higher weight classes like light heavy weight or heavy weight on current MMA, the weight difference is just simply too big.

I see, another great post. Thanks!

What do you mean the over-emphasis of speed? I figured that that would be his strength in competing against current MMA fighters, seeing as he had some record-breaking fighting speeds (straight jab from resting, I believe). Are you saying that it's too much of a power sacrifice? Wouldn't speed help him land more hits and counter the opponent better? Please elaborate if you have the time.

Also I read in another one of your posts about the vs. 4 guys of the same weight as you. Is there any form of martial art or fighting style that is specifically designed or is just significantly better for fighting vs. multiple targets? I'm assuming that styles that are based heavily on grappling are weaker than pure standing fighting techniques, but I may be wrong. I'd like to hear your take on this [:

EDIT: Also, why is that style better than others? Thanks n_n


The punching technique used by Bruce Lee was ineficient, it was based in Kung Fu.

We can say that the "perfect punching technique" is boxing, i dont think any smart person will deny that, its a COMPETITIVE SPORT that has been over a century evolving, the hooks, the jabs the uppercuts etc, none of them resemble a Bruce Lee or martial art punch

let me give u a silly example, punching like this, witht he fist in that position thumb pointing to the sky:
[image loading]


That is an absolutely wrong way to punch, you cannot project as much strenght as if you punch correctly like they do in Box, you will never see a boxer throwing this kind of punches.

Also his punches carry no body weight into them, they are quick movements almost whip like the knock out power of these for obvious reasons is very low, they carry no weight compared to a full hook where you twist your entire body and all your mass is on the punch.

im really going unnecesarely "deep" here, the thing is, Bruce Lee tried to evolve martial arts into real fighting (MMA), he is one of the fathers of MMA, he obviously lacks the understanding of true fighting we have today.

Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:02 GMT
#132
On January 05 2009 09:33 rei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 09:24 baal wrote:
the fact is that most martial arts are plain inefficient and MMA has proved that over and over and over.


Your logic is wrong, your "fact" can only support Most martial arts are plain ineffecient in MMA with MMA rules, and MMA has proved that over and over and over again.

read my post in the last page see and give me a reply plz.


and what are the difference between a street fight and MMA ? as i mentioned earlier basically:

- No biting
- No eye gouging

Which indeed are very very poweful weapons, however i dont see many martial arts teaching biting and eye gouging techniques (a real self defense technique should).


So please tell me an scenario where a martial artist is better suited for a fight than a MMA fighter.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:03 GMT
#133
On January 05 2009 09:38 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 09:32 baal wrote:
On January 05 2009 09:05 fanatacist wrote:
On January 05 2009 09:02 baal wrote:
On January 05 2009 07:23 FzeroXx wrote:
Honestly who gives a shit how practical they are? Learning martial arts isn't about being able to beat up other professional fighters in duels. I'll get out my gun and kill you if I want to beat you. Martial arts is a system of training mind/body. MMA is one of the most useless things to come out of western culture in the last 100 years.


You stupid ignorant moron, first of all MMA came from the EASTERN culture for example Pride.

Training mind and body? what a load of bullshit, then go to the gym, work the body in a better way and read a book.

Is it true that training your body in the gym is not the same as through martial arts training (in terms of increasing fighting capabilities) because it trains muscles that are not necessarily used in practical combat? Once again I am going on minimal knowledge and assumption.


like what muslces you dont train in MMA??

cuz they seem pretty well built imo

[image loading]

I meant in the gym, not in MMA. Like if you are doing benchpresses it won't necessarily enhance your fighting capability as well as you would if you were doing MMA/traditional martial arts training. Is this true/logical?


well yeah in the gym u loose flexibility etc.

but if its about the body and mind, then training gymnastics and reading Kafka is much better than any martial art.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:05 GMT
#134
On January 05 2009 10:00 NoobsOfWrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 07:23 FzeroXx wrote:
Honestly who gives a shit how practical they are? Learning martial arts isn't about being able to beat up other professional fighters in duels. I'll get out my gun and kill you if I want to beat you. Martial arts is a system of training mind/body. MMA is one of the most useless things to come out of western culture in the last 100 years.


I was about to say the same, if my goal is to "beat" you I'm just gonna shoot you in the head...lol

Martial arts are not only about how to best brutalize an individual in a fight for TV

And christ listening to Baal is fucking irritating, he calls everyone a faggot and an idiot constantly

I think if I knew him in real life iId find it hard NOT to shoot him in the face


Yes carring a gun is an effective method of self defense, however its very inconveniant and it usually causes unncesary death etc.

If somebody gets drunk and takes a swing at me i rather KO him than blow hims brains out.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:08 GMT
#135
On January 05 2009 10:21 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also if u want to only stand-up facing multiple enemies the only option is Muay Thai, not retarded martial arts.
No it isn't, that's the problem. Muay Thai is the best option against unarmed assailants who don't have a large reach or weight advantage, but there are plenty of situations in which you'll need to deal with grapples and armed opponents in real fights which Muay Thai simply won't help you with. Even then, Krav Maga is better in the above situation, and in most fights in general.


Krav Magra is indeed decent, its a practical fighting style so i shouldnt be against me.

Agreed Muay Thai is not the best aginst armed oponents, against a single armed oponent probably BJJ is the best.


However lets get real... against MULTIPLE oponents who also got ARMS, you are fucked dude, do you seriously think you can beat up 5 guys each one with a baseball bat? you are going to get mauled to death no matter what you do.

Anybody with a brain would ralize that, unless u are a retarded fanboy that thinks on godly Bruce Lee or somthing taht can beat 30 armed guys, sorry but that wont happen.
Im back, in pog form!
baal
Profile Joined March 2003
10708 Posts
January 05 2009 05:17 GMT
#136
On January 05 2009 10:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
thats actually a pretty valid point
like, i always think its "funny" when people claim that "lol fedor would get raped by a real kung fu fighter they're just not allowed to fight in MMA cuz they kill their opponents" cause it's obviously an ignorant claim to make

but it's really annoying when people dismiss more traditional martial arts because they "dont make you as great of a fighter" as mixed martial arts training does; this is hardly the sole, or even main purpose of traditional martial arts.


First of all i know all these guys will claim bullshit but i studied TaeKwonDo for 6 years as i mentiond earlier i am a black belt and you know what? i feel robbed, why?....

Well because a guy who trains 3 months of BJJ is going to absolutely destroy me in a fight, i "lost" 6 months of my life doing retarded forms, breaking wood etc.


Also many people are not familiar with the bullshit of martial art, let me put this example:

In TaeKwondo theres this kick, (i dont remember the name it was many years ago) where you swing your leg (withouth hitting) the highest you can, and then you "pull" it in an axe movement like.

What in the fuck!!!?!?! that is the biggest oxymoron ive seen as a kick, the force of that kick is stupid, it is ridiculously weak, also the slowest kick and the one you are going to get your leg caught very often.

That is why im absolutely against stupid traditional martial arts, some guy is going to try that kick on a street thug and he is going to get his ass handed to him because idiotic TaeKwonDo didnt teach him proper self defense.

Also the "spirituality" of Martial Arts is crap ffs, i studied 6 years and never came across anything relevant, read Kafka in a couple of weeks and that has 9283479 times more insights than martial arts.


So basically, train MMA and read books, you will train your body and mind and also you wont get your ass destroyed by a semi-decent fighter as u would by learning retarded martial arts.
Im back, in pog form!
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 05 2009 05:19 GMT
#137
On January 05 2009 14:02 baal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2009 09:33 rei wrote:
On January 05 2009 09:24 baal wrote:
the fact is that most martial arts are plain inefficient and MMA has proved that over and over and over.


Your logic is wrong, your "fact" can only support Most martial arts are plain ineffecient in MMA with MMA rules, and MMA has proved that over and over and over again.

read my post in the last page see and give me a reply plz.


and what are the difference between a street fight and MMA ? as i mentioned earlier basically:

- No biting
- No eye gouging

Which indeed are very very poweful weapons, however i dont see many martial arts teaching biting and eye gouging techniques (a real self defense technique should).


So please tell me an scenario where a martial artist is better suited for a fight than a MMA fighter.


How is that even remotely relevant to defend your false logic?
You made a claim, I owned your argument by pointing out your illogical conclusion.

Tell me how you can savage
On January 05 2009 09:24 baal wrote:
the fact is that most martial arts are plain inefficient and MMA has proved that over and over and over.


you have no credibility if you can't even defend your own logic and yet run your mouth about Mr. Baal knows it all.
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Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
January 05 2009 05:27 GMT
#138
Just downloaded it; the movie didn't sync up well for me; I can here the sounds a split second before the actual fighting. Can anybody tell me how to fix this & thanks.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
January 05 2009 06:32 GMT
#139
On January 05 2009 14:27 Athos wrote:
Just downloaded it; the movie didn't sync up well for me; I can here the sounds a split second before the actual fighting. Can anybody tell me how to fix this & thanks.

I had the same problem but only in full-screen on DivX.
Peace~
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
January 05 2009 08:10 GMT
#140
Does anyone know where I can find a stream to the movie?
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