Ip Man movie

He was like the Japanese guy at the end got owned too quickly.

It's rather realistic imho - a real fight doesn't last that long afaik. This wasn't sparring or a superior fighter playing around - to equals fought each other without holding back. Once he broke through he sealed his advantage with never stopping attacks.

I love the scene in the beginning where this banditguy challanges Ip Man in his house and his son comes around: "Mom says if you wont attack all things in the house will be broken." (hard to explain, you gotta have watched it)

god i couldn't control myself during his 1v10 battle, that was so fucking cool i was just giggling all over the place

It felt that the ending was a bit too abrupt, as if they ran out of budget and had to put in a short slide show to finish it off.

I agree with Not_Computer. The ending was really abrupt. They should;ve done a bit more with it

You know, I've lurked TL.net since the day it was made and I hardly ever post, but the ignorance in food's post has provoked a response out of me, despite my strong belief that I'm merely feeding a troll.

Food, top MMA competitors dominate because they excel at the myriad of dimensions that comprise the sport of Mixed Martial Arts. Anyone who lacks well-roundedness will be unsuccessful, no matter how great their mastery of a specific, one-dimensional combat art might be. Since you asked for examples, I provide them.

Wrestling

Kevin Jackson
Jackson won a gold medal in Freestyle wrestling at the 1992 Summer Olympics.
He has an MMA record of 4-2, including a 16 second loss to Frank Shamrock by armbar. Hardly consituttes blowing away the competition of the time. His wins are all by submission, indicating some level of cross-training in any case, so he's not even a pure wrestler.

Rulon Gardner
Gold medalist at the 2000 Summer Games, defeating Alexander Karelin. Gardner quit MMA after one fight (which he won), because he disliked being hit in the face - which wrestling in no way prepares one for.

Judo

There have been several elite judoka, including Olympic and world champions, that have competed in MMA. By and large, none of them have accomplished any great success against top competition.
Naoya Ogawa, Hidehiko Yoshida and Pawel Nastula all have judo world championships and olympic medals to their credit. None have beaten top competition in MMA or held a major title.

Kickboxing

Numerous elite strikers have competed under MMA rules. Examples include:

Mirko 'Crocop' Filipovic
Mirko is the most succesful fighter to transition from kickboxing to MMA. Whilst his rapid accumulation of take-down and submission defense elevated Cro Cop to the upper echelons of MMA, he has lost to most top 10 heavyweights he has fought, and never captured a major title.

Mark Hunt
Probably the second most well-known K-1-cum-MMA competitor behind Cro Cop. K-1 World Grand Prix 2001 and multiple time World GP finalist. In MMA, has a record of 5-5, losing all fights he had against notable competition bar a ludicrous gift decision against Wanderlei Silva. Has been submitted in the first round multiple times.

Badr Hari
One of the top dogs in K-1 currently, former K-1 heavyweight champion. MMA record is 0-1, lost to some fighter I've never heard of - by forearm choke, in 22 seconds.

BJJ/Gracie Jiu-Jistu
Despite your claims, many, many of the Gracie clan remain active competitors in the world of MMA, with several having fought in the last twelve months - in fact too many for me to bother attempting to list. None of them are or will be top contenders, with the possible exception of Roger Gracie, who, given time to develop a more well-rounded skillset remains a potential heavyweight prospect. Not since the early days of the UFC has a 'pure' BJJ/GJJ fighter been able to sit atop the MMA world without rounding out their striking and wrestling skills. The only possible exception I can think of is Masakazu Imanari, who has had quite a lot of success at 145lb and below as pretty much a pure submission artist, but he has yet to be tested against the top names at those weights and has lost to more well-rounded fighters in the past.

Conclusion
No-one who focuses exclusively or even predominantly in one particular, limited combat sport has had any significant or lasting success against mixed martial artists who do. Yes there are athletes outside the MMA world who - if they had or would focus on a sophisticated regime of cross-training - potential would or could have become better MMA fighters than the current crop of UFC / Dream / WVR / Shooto etc competitors. But not without training in a manner fundamentally identical to the manner that those fighters do. Fedor is the best because he is highly skilled in the three major components of MMA: striking, wrestling and ground-work, and weaves them together so well. No athlete coming from a pure one-dimensional art is going to pose anything other than a fluke threat to him, or to any other top MMA competitor.

The movie began with Yeh owning a hot wife, grand house, and godly YunChun*. Just seems fucking too perfect, how did this happen? lol.
KinSanShan* (the hillbilly from North) had a great fight in the beginning, but after the Japanese invaded, it was shitass for him to comeback. Should be fighting against the Japanese, instead of robbing the cotton factory and getting his/their ass kicked -_-

good thing he didnt died like HuaYuanCha (main char in Fearless), or else we wouldnt have Bruce Lee today.

during those times, if youre a sifu, you earn a lot of respect. with respect = people praise you = riches. no lie lol its like being a hero, but what they left out was that he was actually a police officer to begin with. ive done some research. maybe this was just a little bit later in his life:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yip_Man

plus, his family was wealthy and shit like that. thus he was wealthy himself. what wikipedia didnt note and the movie did was that, he wasnt one of those people that likedhaving a student or whatever but he did teach his friends and families. his wife knows kung fu, too.

Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts.

And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita.

I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist.

Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two.
edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.

Your argument, as I understood it, was that various individuals who were succesful in specific combat sports would dominate top MMA competitors. I provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports - ie people who were at the very top of those sports - have routinely failed to defeat top MMA fighters in MMA bouts. I picked several examples that were known to me. Of course I did not give you thousands, because there are not thousands of olympic and world champions competing in MMA. I chose the most accomplished wrestlers/judoka/kickboxers that I could think of because they best prove my point - none of them dominated the MMA world with their original skillset alone, despite their accomplishments in their respective arts.

And actually another wrestler that I have seen fight escaped me, likely because it was such a forgettable fight: Karam Ibrahim, 2004 gold medalist, is 0-1 in MMA losing very badly to Kazuyuki Fujita.

I challenge you to provide any examples that support your argument - that top wrestlers/boxers/etc without extensive MMA training would dominate top MMA fighters under MMA rules. You won't be able to - those examples don't exist.

Calling you a troll may have been unwarranted, but at the very least imho you don't know what you're talking about and people that make long posts with no evidence on things they know little about tend to be trolls - or there is little difference between the two.
edit: I don't mean that with any malice or insult. If I did, I wouldn't have wasted two lengthy posts trying to enlighten you. I just think you have a lot to learn about combat sports and have done my best to impart some of my knowledge to you.

hah. Noone needs your enlightenment, we all familiar with "i only could think of", go google some more, it wont help. Your list ran out real fast. I laughed at you copy pasting biographies of few participants like it creates a point in itself somewhere. Its worthless work and you didnt "enlighten" anyone, besides yourself. Fedor is the first example of dominating MMA without specific "MMA" training, he did get ready for it in his own gym but there is nothing called "MMA training" in Russia. If he learned to punch more and worked on a bag to be prepared that doesnt mean he transformed himself into some pseudo form of combat to be prepared for MMA fights. This is a load of shit, he was and he still is a sambo specialist who worked on extra elements to have more variety in his arsenal. I was arguing with Baal since he said "well who the fuck needs traditional martial arts since u can do 10x better at MMA gym in less time" I said, best fighters in MMA came out of specific martial arts, Fedor and Silva are brightest examples. Red Scorpion was sick. Buakkaw is fucking sick. Even pure mixed martial arts fighters like GSP and Arlovski had dominant styles throughout their lives, be it jiu jitsu or sambo or w/e else. You want me to give you examples of top wrestlers conquering MMA world, but there were none, they just dont take part in this. You can literally count known professionals that participated in MMA on fingers, i said it 3 times and i dont understand what the fuck you reading and where. You did not "provided you with a multitude of examples that I feel disproved that contention. Olympic gold medalists and world champions in various combat sports", there is no multiple, they not famous, they garbage ultimately 1 time wonders who either snapped a medal at the olympics or some shitty inside tournament. They not big names in sports, dont even imply that, its not true. They tried, they did moderately well, they gone. It is not an example of top worlds wrestler coming into MMA, it woulda been a fucking sensation. Grow up.
dont give me examples of kick boxers, judo, etc, its all irrelevant. It was proven to be inefficient, just like taekwondo, but there are MANY martial arts that ARE efficient, like muay thai, jiu jitsu, sambo. And yes, THERE ARE thousands of olympic champions/world medalists, u will never keep track of everyone who scored a medal at euro/world/asiam games. Theres big names out there BUT U DIDNT MENTION ONE. I dont care for whole troll passage - keep it to yourself, i was talking concepts here. So in the end what did you spill about the "combat sports"? I dont see anything even remotely useful, bunch of shit that you googled or heard while watching shitfest on TV.

http://www.asianload.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=57725

Personally, I just can't wait for the sequel to start production if it hasn't already

It was good. Not as good as the first movie, which was even really good. It lacked a few things, and I also thought the fat kung fu master (as stated before, I don't know the names...) in the middle of it all somehow split the focus of it all. He wasn't impressive to watch at all, simply because it didn't look credible when he fought. I don't mind him really, but he took up way too much space. I also feel the big time ending of the movie only really got built up to by the end of the movie, while there was lots of stuff going on in the beginning that didn't really play a part in the end (but not as extreme as in the first movie, where it felt like watching two different movies). Overall it also felt like they toned down the brutality of it all though, kinda understandable considering the change of context but it felt watered down. The Chinese pride talk kind of annoyed me too, but more from the context that it seems to be so common in Chinese movies that I've seen lately (even more so than American freedom speeches in American moveis), I suppose it fits with context of Hong Kong and all.

The fight scenes were not as impressive either. What I *really* liked in the first movie, which in my mind made it unique and really cool, was how brutal the fight scenes were when Ip Man got serious. And how clearly they showed the brutality of it. This was never done here. Also, some fight scenes were too dragged out, without the real punch they had (read brutality) in the first movie. It all felt watered down. The only fights I really enjoyed was the first vs his student-to-be and the last, which I still would have enjoyed more had it been more brutal like the last fight in the first movie. I also missed some one Ip Man vs ten Japanese dudes fight scene, or that kind of.

Enough of the critisism. It was a good movie. I just felt it was watered down to make it more appealing to a wider audience (younger+families), instead of keeping with the brutality that made the first movie unique. But still, it's still one of the best new martial arts movies out there. Donnie Yen is extremely good, and I look forward to see him again.

The movie is damn good. I don't care that it's watered down, but it's jam packed with action and showed how effective Wing Chun is. The characters are portrayed well as Ip Man was gentle in nature despite his godlike skills (love the way he used the two butcher knife in the fish market - butterfly knife technique perfection). Only Sammo Hung was out of place since he's so damn fat.

The movie invoked the theme of humility, but standing up for what you believe in when the situation arises and stand behind your friends/students/colleagues no matter what. Donnie played the role extremely well and his Wing Chun is top notch. The fight with the boxer was awesome and loved the way he punched the crap out of him at the end.

THE TWISTER? REALLY?

that being said, the movie was damn good. loved the bruce lee bit at the end