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On December 04 2008 17:09 Terranator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2008 15:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
why is no one talking about how rae or Ignatieff will be leading this coalition when the liberals decide which of them is replacing dion. I can`t speak for Rae since he still loves the NDP and leftist policies, but real liberals like Ignatieff realize that this type of coalition can only hurt the liberal party and hurt his chances of ever being PM. Ignatieff is likely to quash this thing before it ever becomes a reality if he knows what is good for him.
Most likely won't have the chance to, thing is, dion is doing this yes, but without the support of his party they could remove him ahead of schedule, so something tells me he isn't doing this on his own, as they aren't speeding up getting rid of him which means if the deal goes bad the blame will fall on his shoulders, not the future leader
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On December 04 2008 17:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2008 17:09 Terranator wrote:On December 04 2008 15:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
why is no one talking about how rae or Ignatieff will be leading this coalition when the liberals decide which of them is replacing dion. I can`t speak for Rae since he still loves the NDP and leftist policies, but real liberals like Ignatieff realize that this type of coalition can only hurt the liberal party and hurt his chances of ever being PM. Ignatieff is likely to quash this thing before it ever becomes a reality if he knows what is good for him. Most likely won't have the chance to, thing is, dion is doing this yes, but without the support of his party they could remove him ahead of schedule, so something tells me he isn't doing this on his own, as they aren't speeding up getting rid of him which means if the deal goes bad the blame will fall on his shoulders, not the future leader
Its a known fact that more MPs in the Liberal caucus support Ignatieff than Dion. The problem is that leadership is decided by all party members, not just those elected to parliament. If it was up to parliament, Ignatieff would have replaced Dion on October 15th. Dion is trying to cling to power by becoming PM to the detriment of Canada and the Liberal Party. Iggy insiders report that he has never been on board with this coalition 100% from the beginning and for good reason. I think he`s just hoping that Parliament will be prorogued and that he`ll have the chance to become leader through other means before a confidence motion so there can be another election with a decent Liberal candidate.
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On December 04 2008 17:28 Terranator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2008 17:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On December 04 2008 17:09 Terranator wrote:On December 04 2008 15:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
why is no one talking about how rae or Ignatieff will be leading this coalition when the liberals decide which of them is replacing dion. I can`t speak for Rae since he still loves the NDP and leftist policies, but real liberals like Ignatieff realize that this type of coalition can only hurt the liberal party and hurt his chances of ever being PM. Ignatieff is likely to quash this thing before it ever becomes a reality if he knows what is good for him. Most likely won't have the chance to, thing is, dion is doing this yes, but without the support of his party they could remove him ahead of schedule, so something tells me he isn't doing this on his own, as they aren't speeding up getting rid of him which means if the deal goes bad the blame will fall on his shoulders, not the future leader Its a known fact that more MPs in the Liberal caucus support Ignatieff than Dion. The problem is that leadership is decided by all party members, not just those elected to parliament. If it was up to parliament, Ignatieff would have replaced Dion on October 15th. Dion is trying to cling to power by becoming PM to the detriment of Canada and the Liberal Party. Iggy insiders report that he has never been on board with this coalition 100% from the beginning and for good reason. I think he`s just hoping that Parliament will be prorogued and that he`ll have the chance to become leader through other means before a confidence motion so there can be another election with a decent Liberal candidate.
This if fair and im not arguing against it, it was my belief though that dion was currently only a representative till the liberals replaced him, ie if he was to become PM via the coalition it would still be a coalition where the liberals could replace the leader at any given point through this period. I could be incorrect, but if it was announced already he will be turfed wouldn't that still happen regardless of the coalition, or was the agreement signed state that dion must be pm if the coalition is accepted?
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Didn't they say that they wouldn't form a coalition government when they knew they were going to lose the election? I actually like Ignatieff and people are going to have to agree to disagree on this issue. I will, at the least, want to hear the coalition out.
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hahaha parliament has been suspended for 8 weeks. Time for riots! All fear the wrath of our grand, munificent and ultimate leader THE HARPER
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Michaëlle Jean and her racially balanced skin tone must not be allowed to taint our democracy any longer. Our parliament MUST be allowed to bicker, bandwagon and bully! Down with The Harper, down with The Harper! Our mission must manifest the martinet of the majority! Down with The Harper! Down with The Harper!
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Long Live The Harper! rofl
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Not the least bit surprised about this. Hopefully this gives the Liberals enough time to oust Dion.
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Please, peon. Why wallow in your want of will. The will of the majority must manifest, it is our mission. The minority's modus will not march with this man. Down with The Harper, down with The Harper! Our ire will incinerate you incredulous insistence at intervention. Down with The Harper, down with The Harper!
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Charlottetown, chime with charismatic cries for calamity! The reveille of the revolution will resound in the rinks of Regina! The valets of Victoria will force the villians to valediction! The whores of Halifax shall no longer hallow his name! Frères of Fredericton fly to freedom! Tantamount tyrrants of Toronto be toppled! Serfs of St.John's, serve no sovereign! Run, quixotical quaint of Quebec, be quelled no longer!
Idiots of Edmonton, mercy from illiteration but not from death!
And lets not joke, who the fuck cares about Manitoba?
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On December 05 2008 02:17 Terranator wrote:
Not the least bit surprised about this. Hopefully this gives the Liberals enough time to oust Dion.
At least there's a good side to all this.
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So wait, instead of a fiscal stimulus we have eight weeks of wasted time?
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Ya my thoughts exactly Durak ;( How is any of this instability beneficial to our country? We really are fucking stupid; God damnit.
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On December 05 2008 05:11 Durak wrote:
So wait, instead of a fiscal stimulus we have eight weeks of wasted time?
Ya, this shows how dedicated Harper is to Canada. Shutting down parliament when the economy is taking a nose dive is extremely irresponsible and selfish.
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On December 05 2008 07:32 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2008 05:11 Durak wrote:
So wait, instead of a fiscal stimulus we have eight weeks of wasted time? Ya, this shows how dedicated Harper is to Canada. Shutting down parliament when the economy is taking a nose dive is extremely irresponsible and selfish.
It was the govener general, not Harper
btw i loled at the head line on CBC, first two letters "GG".
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On December 05 2008 07:32 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2008 05:11 Durak wrote:
So wait, instead of a fiscal stimulus we have eight weeks of wasted time? Ya, this shows how dedicated Harper is to Canada. Shutting down parliament when the economy is taking a nose dive is extremely irresponsible and selfish.
Yes, our economy is slowing but its doing better than most people give it credit for. Besides, the answer isn't to throw money around willy-nilly especially before we see what the US does.
This whole coalition thing has shit all to do with the lack of economic action or the economy (with the exception of the NDP), the opposition parties just have to say that to avoid looking like douches. Harper fucked up in his economic update by trying to cut public political party funding that would castrate the liberals and effectively disintegrate the greens and the bloc (both of which have almost zero private fundraising power). This put their backs up against a wall and forced them to act. That or all of this was pre-planned from the start and this was just their best opportunity.
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Our economy is gonna be just fine. Most businesses have stopped expansion for now but once everything else picks up in the world the labour crunch will be back and we'll all be rolling in dough again. Just use this time for gaining skills and education and in 2-4 years you'll be poised to get rich.
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On December 05 2008 11:47 Terranator wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2008 07:32 Mastermind wrote:On December 05 2008 05:11 Durak wrote:
So wait, instead of a fiscal stimulus we have eight weeks of wasted time? Ya, this shows how dedicated Harper is to Canada. Shutting down parliament when the economy is taking a nose dive is extremely irresponsible and selfish. Yes, our economy is slowing but its doing better than most people give it credit for. Besides, the answer isn't to throw money around willy-nilly especially before we see what the US does.
I disagree. Fiscal actions takes time. "Throwing money around" is an ignorant way of viewing government spending.
Why does it matter what the US does? We're effected by what the US does, surely, but that doesn't change the fact that we need to stimulate our own economy. Plus, we do know that the US is going to be passing the democrat's fiscal plans either in December or certainly in January.
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