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karbon
Canada137 Posts
On December 07 2008 07:28 fusionsdf wrote: they should actually do news and not entertainment that's the whole problem with the media.... and i wrote a 4000 word essay specifically on this problem for a university project lol | ||
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geometryb
United States1249 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
 anyways the latest news is that bob rae has pulled out of the liberal leadership race, so michael ignatieff is now the new liberal leader. interesting development imo, i was cheering for rae but what can you do PS: oh forgot to mention, dion resigned on monday, so now that ignatieff is the new leader he will officially replace dion as leader of the liberal party on wednesday | ||
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Samsung-Lzuruha
Canada47 Posts
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
lmao | ||
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karbon
Canada137 Posts
On December 10 2008 01:08 a-game wrote: sorry to keep foisting our boring canadian politics on TL anyways the latest news is that bob rae has pulled out of the liberal leadership race, so michael ignatieff is now the new liberal leader. interesting development imo, i was cheering for rae but what can you do PS: oh forgot to mention, dion resigned on monday, so now that ignatieff is the new leader he will officially replace dion as leader of the liberal party on wednesday oh shit that's quite a huge development.... wonder what's gonna go down next.. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On December 10 2008 02:16 CTStalker wrote: it's funny that rae pulled out, cause just last night he was calling for the "liberal elite" to choose the leader lmao hmm you sure? that doesn't sound right rae had been pushing for the liberals to choose their leader through giving every liberal party member a vote. the party brass rejected the idea and last night decided the leader would be decided by 700 or so party elites. rae knew that his only hope for the leadership was to appeal to the grassroots of the party; once it was confirmed that the grassroots weren't going to have a say, he conceded his bid | ||
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karbon
Canada137 Posts
meh just a number who cares lol | ||
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Samsung-Lzuruha
Canada47 Posts
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Flaccid
8828 Posts
On December 10 2008 02:17 karbon wrote: oh shit that's quite a huge development.... wonder what's gonna go down next.. This makes me happy. Ignatieff has been a critic of the way this coalition was formed and the way the Bloc has been used to prop it up. If anything, his leadership should bring some much needed 'sensibility' to the table. In reading profiles, Ignatieff strikes me as much more of a 'modern' politician than we've typically seen in Canadian politics - where the only accepted currency is time spent in office (whether worthwhile or not). He's an academic, an intellectual. He has travelled the world and lived outside of our country. Call me an elitist, but I prefer someone who can bring an outside perspective to our small pond. He's also a modern politician in that he opening acknowledges mistakes he has made in the past. He reserves the right to change his mind in a way that is not in the interest of fence-sitting and appeasing (ala Paul Martin), but as a realization that polticians are human and not infallible. Like the rest of the population, their opinions will grow and change as the information infront of them changes. There is nothing more frustrating than a politician holding on to an old view (knowing it is incorrect) because they see a changing mind as a character flaw. Anyways, I'll have to read more about the guy and perhaps pick up a few of his books. Either way, it's interesting to get some bonefied intelligence back in the house. Or maybe I'm biased since every time I learn of another well-travelled, intelligent, educated politician I think of Peter Lougheed, the pro-football player/lawyer/Harvard grad/best thing to ever happen to western politics. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On December 10 2008 02:23 a-game wrote: hmm you sure? that doesn't sound right rae had been pushing for the liberals to choose their leader through giving every liberal party member a vote. the party brass rejected the idea and last night decided the leader would be decided by 700 or so party elites. rae knew that his only hope for the leadership was to appeal to the grassroots of the party; once it was confirmed that the grassroots weren't going to have a say, he conceded his bid if it wasn't last night, it was fairly recently. they were discussing it this morning on cbc radio 1 edit: sorry, your post was what i meant to write. but yeah, still a ridiculous suggestion to get the 800 people to choose the leader | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3359 Posts
Anyway, Ignatieff is the new liberal party leader and doesn't fully support the coalition? Even so, isn't the coalition his best way to gain any power whatsoever? And the suspension of parliament, that means they can't form the coalition and oust Harper until atleast when the suspension is lifted? | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
And yes, that's precisely what the suspension of parliament is about. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3359 Posts
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
edit- In fact, some of the more conspiracy minded people out there suspect that the second option was Harper's plan all along, and that he engineered this situation so that next election his conservatives would get another shot at a majority government, rather than the weaker minority that they have right now. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
this city is falling apart pretty fucking quickly | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 10 2008 05:58 Nightmarjoo wrote: Besides being annoying/delaying it, is the suspension really intended to stop them from going through with it? Won't they just, form the coalition and oust him as soon as the suspension is gone? it depends basically the conservatives are going to try and use the time to sway public opinion against the coalition. The hope is that they start a massive public outrising, which will put pressure on the MPs, which will put pressure on the coalition. Now coming back there are 2 possibilites. a)Governor general gives the coalition a chance to govern. If there is a lot of dissatisfaction with the coalition, the chances might go down a bit, but will still be pretty high. b) call a new election. if Things go the Conservatives way, you have the double whammy of the coalition being extremely unpopular, and the election being blamed on the liberals/NDP leading to a Conservative Majority. In order of probability (my view) it is most likely that: 1) Liberals under Ignatieff back down following some sort of budget compromise by harper 2) Liberals continue on, get chance to govern, last 12-18 months 3) Liberals continue on, new election called, Conservative majority 4) Liberals continue on, new election called, Conservative minority | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On December 10 2008 12:19 CTStalker wrote: Sensationalism is kinda fail mate.in semi-unrelated news, ottawa's public transit workers are going on strike starting tonight. this city is falling apart pretty fucking quickly | ||
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