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NightToad
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
i cannot believe you're a real person, you have to be a joke | ||
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NightToad
60 Posts
On November 07 2008 02:44 IdrA wrote: whose smurf are you i cannot believe you're a real person, you have to be a joke Seriously. | ||
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
On November 07 2008 02:40 NightToad wrote: I hate to be "that guy" who always corrects people's grammar. But you consistently lack punctuation and even use the wrong words. There is a difference between "their' and " they're" and "to" and "too" and a whole slew over other erroneous crap you've written. I know one doesn't have to be literate to be intelligent, but you my friend are a moronic tool. No, the fact is you just had nothing to say on the subject, you had to come in correct some spelling. and sometimes i say "U" for short instead of "You" this a forum, not an essay, and if you have nothing to say regardless this topic, dont post, and since idra NEVER had anything good to say he too should stop posting | ||
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NightToad
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Murk
Canada304 Posts
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sushiman
Sweden2691 Posts
On November 07 2008 02:46 Murk wrote: and since idra NEVER had anything good to say he too should stop posting I'd say Idra's said alot of reasonable things. Your arguments have been mostly based on your own prejudice against homosexuals. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
On November 07 2008 02:44 IdrA wrote: whose smurf are you i cannot believe you're a real person, you have to be a joke You really need to be more accepting of other people's lifestyle choices. His beliefs are his beliefs. He's not hurting anybody typing on a forum. But you respond that he is. And that's the distinction! How? Economically? Would you be happy if gays got the same eco benefits but w/o the WORD of marriage? No? Than what harm? Psych harm? Emotional harm? Don't know how you would classify it? Well, what about the harm to our good friend Murk? The pain it causes him to know gays marry? Maybe you do just want absolute equation of benefits. But we still have Murk's pain. If someone can cleverly convince you your mom was raped to death, you can go after them and get $. Why do the gays have their eco harm > Murk's pain? Hmmm... but couldn't you make my same arg for racists you say. Their pain seeing black people fully participate in society? I say no. Gay are more diff than a straight men than a black men are to white men. It's a genetic fact. Distinction w/o difference you say? Maybe. But I'm getting too far out. You probably disagree with a ton already, so no point in pushing forward. | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
Get the fuck out. | ||
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Centric
United States1989 Posts
On November 06 2008 19:32 Yaqoob wrote: I am very religious person and I don't like gay people. I'm just being honest. As for centric saying to Murk 'its people like you that make me be embarrassed to be a christian'... In the bible the people of Lot were all destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality. Its Christians who try to sugar coat their religion that disgusts me. In Christianity marriage is between man and woman and the fact that the people of Lot were punished and destroyed for being gay and committing acts of homosexuality should ring a bell in any christian minds as to what their religion thinks of this. Also, I am not a Christian but I have read the whole Bible about 2 times. My statement has nothing to do with whether the Bible denounces homosexuality or not. In fact, in my own opinion, it does, and I honestly think that homosexuality is a sin. This is my own opinion. I'm not pushing that on anyone. My disgust with Murk has to do with the approach and the ignorance in trying to state his opinion. Christians in the United States are hated (just go to any relatively liberal college campus...I'm at UCLA) because we for too long have been ignorant and stupid in trying to push our agenda onto other people. I have this theory called the right to be heard. I think that in order for your opinion to matter to someone, you must establish the right to be heard. If a random guy comes up to you and tells you about a problem you have that you need to fix, you would mostly likely tell the guy to fuck off. But if someone who loves and cares for you said the same thing, you would more likely take it into consideration. It's the same deal here. Christians have not done enough to show that we actually care for anyone, much less homosexuals. Just look at this thread...a bunch of Christians saying they don't like gays. We have no right to tell anyone what to do, especially if what they're doing has no negative impact on our lives. Jesus said in the Bible that His followers would be hated - but not for being ignorant, intolerant bigots who don't know what the fuck is going on. We're supposed to be so irrationally loving that people come to hate us because they don't understand us. So I for one apologize on behalf of Christians for the ignorance and stupidity that has come from us. From Jerry Falwell to George W. Bush...I am truly sorry. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On November 07 2008 03:06 Hans-Titan wrote: Murk, you're the most narrowminded, red-neck, conservative piece of shit I've encountered on the internet in a long time. You're more stubborn and idiotic to listen to than the dumbest of Palin-supporters. Please try and make a proper case for you shitty agenda before promoting it. Get the fuck out. why, so everyone can be in agreement and there would never need to be actual debate or balanced discussion of anything? don't be an idiot. it's not his fault if you get upset at his posts | ||
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NightToad
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
like my last post. i wasn't forwarding an argument, i was explaining the current condition of this thread. thus, you may wonder why my second and third points seems to closely mirror yours. that's cuz we're saying exactly the same thing. and when i say you "fail and talk shit", sorry. i should have rephrased it as so: all you're doing is talking shit on people (calling them bigots, idiots, etc). even if it is in retribution, it's not particularly constructive or mature. and you're just saying the bible is wrong. which is definitely a valid point for many people. i'm just saying it's not a premise to build a constructive dialogue when you have an opposing side that's religious. that is, of course, you convince them that their religion is wrong. that's really hard to do. read yo. stop mis-categorizing the things i'm saying. of course dialogue produces results; you're not enlightening me by teaching me about civil rights and etc. i know my shit. i'm saying THIS kind of dialogue is fail, and what potential this thread may have had is being further reduced by your behavior, retributive or not. | ||
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Hans-Titan
Denmark1711 Posts
On November 07 2008 03:16 travis wrote: why, so everyone can be in agreement and there would never need to be actual debate or balanced discussion of anything? don't be an idiot. it's not his fault if you get upset at his posts Guess you're right. I'm an easy flame-victim. | ||
XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
Whatever the reasons are for your distaste for homosexual people, the fact remains that your personal opinion, based on little to no factual fact (or reason for that matter), should not restrict another person from living their life the way they want to. Yes, people are entitled to their opinions, but once they get to the point where they're imposing those opinions on others, then that entitlement ends. People supporting the right of homosexuals to get married don't expect you, or any other person who disapproves of gay marriage, to change your opinion on the issue, only that you respect that other people see things differently and acknowledge their law-given right to live their life based on whatever faith, or lack thereof, they wish. You're arguing that people need to respect your beliefs and allow you to live your life based on them despite their disagreement with those beliefs, but are arguing that the same respect not be given to homosexuals simply because you disagree with their beliefs. That's like telling people to stop hitting you in a fistfight even as you're hitting them. You can understand why such a position would piss people off and lead them to believe that you're a narrow-minded, self-centered, and ignorant ass. It's up to you if you want to be seen that way, but just realize that there's a good reason why people are reacting to your posts the way they are. Idra: While you are one of many people who are offended by the position Murk has taken, your responses to his posts have been offensive themselves. Once you start resorting to personal attacks and insults, you've crossed the line and the result will always be more flaming and less constructive discussion. It's not just what you're saying, but how you say it that matters as well. General: All this discussion about whether someone should or should not approve of homosexual marriages, or homosexuality in general, whether it be based on religion or personal opinion, really have no relevance to any discussion about Prop 8. Prop 8 isn't about churches, religions, or even people's opinions, it's about whether the government, which is bound by the Constitution, is allowed to deny a group of US citizens the right to marriage simply because of their sexuality. As I said in my previous post, the bottom line is that the Constitution, and thus the US government, has recognized the right to marriage as a protected right, and was founded on the idea that all US citizens are to be free from the bounds of any religion or faith. Further, US law, which is also directly relevant to Prop 8, has clearly stated that a person cannot be discriminated against on the basis of their sexuality. Not allowing homosexual citizens to get married while every other citizen is allowed to get married is discrimination in its purest form, and so it is directly contrary to both the Constitution and US law. Until someone can prove that: (a) The Constitution doesn't guarantee all US citizens the right to marriage; (b) The Constitution doesn't guarantee all US citizens the right to freedom of religion, and thus the right to be free from the religions/beliefs of others; (c) California and US law allows people to be discriminated against on the basis of their sexuality; then there can be no convincing argument that Prop 8 was proper or that the issue of whether homosexual marriages should be disallowed should ever have been voted on at all. | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
EDIT: Well, part of it is. States need to recognize it, the federal government does not need to and no one has used the 14th amendment to challenge it yet. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
The bible and its interpretations change from time to time, but the core beliefs dont, and the greatest of them all is charity and love, now show some love man. =/ | ||
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XaI)CyRiC
United States4471 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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