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On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit)
HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason
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I don't see how having sex has anything to do with raising children(other than conception ofc). Seriously how does having having sex with someone with a vagina improve your ability to be a good parent.
Can someone who is against this please show me some peer reviewed scientific studies that show that Children raised by two gay guardians are at any disadvantage to children raised by a lone parent.
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Murk, dismount your fucking horse. This thread really needs to be closed.
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On November 07 2008 02:18 Murk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit) HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason
Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom too.
Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy".
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718
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On November 07 2008 02:22 NightToad wrote:
Murk, dismount your fucking horse. This thread really needs to be closed.
i agree it should be closed, cause there are going to be 2 sides to this debate and 1 side is gonna flame the other 1 for obvious reasons, but what i want to know is "dismount your fucking horse" what does that mean, im not trying to be an ass but iv seriously never heard that saying before
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On November 07 2008 02:10 d_so wrote:
well idra, a rational discussion is impossible for this subject.
1.) One side views it as a religious issue: Thus, any arguments you use countering this are going to attack religion. then it becomes a debate over whether religion is valid or not. if you expect to see results from a discussion like this, you're crazy.
of course discussions like this produce results
homosexuals are normal people just like the rest of us, they live under the same social burdens and contribute to society just like the rest of us. nothing about what they do is illegal, but they are treated worse than heterosexuals. "all people are created equal" then they should be treated like it.
there, now an intelligent person without an opinion either way will come in and see murk and you saying gay people are disgusting, and see me make that rational argument, and they will be swayed in favor of my position. the discussion has produced a result.
2.) The other side is arguing as if they have no burden of proof: all they're doing is arguing that it's wrong to ban. but no one is making an argument that gays are just as good at parenting straights. and there's a reason no one is or can make this argument...
marriage is not solely for the production of children, and we allow ANY heterosexual couple to have and raise children, barring outright abuse and mistreatment. you think gay couples make worse parents than the fundamentalist hicks who raise children with world views incompatable with the modern world? so, its not an argument against gay marriage and _EVEN IF IT WAS_ it is invalid.
3.) There is no conclusive proof that gays can make good parents: the timeframe is too short, sample size is too small, too many failures at marriage that are hetero and not enough longitudinal proof of homos raising normal kids.
deja vu.
you and murk were presumably raised by heterosexuals. you came out bigoted idiots. does that mean heterosexuals shouldnt be allowed to raise children? no, maybe just that your parents shouldnt have any more. you dont run quality control on heterosexual parents, why on homosexual parents?
when i say "you're not doing much better", i mean within this thread, you're failing. all you're doing really is talking shit and saying the bible is wrong. sorry but nothing is as simple as that.
pi=3? what makes the bible the end all be all of moral codes? i now hold that mein kampf is the word of god, as given to hitler, and it cannot be challenged or questioned. jews are therefore the root of all societal problems and should be persecuted. challenge me without questioning mein kampf or the fact that i hold it to be the absolute truth.
you might ask "why start this thread in the first place"? As close as gay marriage and prop 8 are, they are actually different subjects. i wanted to discuss prop 8. i did not care for the opinion as to the validity of gay marriage because it's an unwinnable subject. but this thread has morphed into exactly that: a fruitless attempts on both sides trying to convince they're right with no valid proof from either side.
so this thread needs to die
it is not unwinnable. slavery was abolished. equal rights for minorities were earned under the law and are slowly become reality. the same thing will happen for homosexuals, if intelligent people are not apathetic.
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On November 07 2008 02:10 d_so wrote:
well idra, a rational discussion is impossible for this subject.
1.) One side views it as a religious issue: Thus, any arguments you use countering this are going to attack religion. then it becomes a debate over whether religion is valid or not. if you expect to see results from a discussion like this, you're crazy.
2.) The other side is arguing as if they have no burden of proof: all they're doing is arguing that it's wrong to ban. but no one is making an argument that gays are just as good at parenting straights. and there's a reason no one is or can make this argument...
3.) There is no conclusive proof that gays can make good parents: the timeframe is too short, sample size is too small, too many failures at marriage that are hetero and not enough longitudinal proof of homos raising normal kids.
when i say "you're not doing much better", i mean within this thread, you're failing. all you're doing really is talking shit and saying the bible is wrong. sorry but nothing is as simple as that.
you might ask "why start this thread in the first place"? As close as gay marriage and prop 8 are, they are actually different subjects. i wanted to discuss prop 8. i did not care for the opinion as to the validity of gay marriage because it's an unwinnable subject. but this thread has morphed into exactly that: a fruitless attempts on both sides trying to convince they're right with no valid proof from either side.
so this thread needs to die
1. America = "Separation of State and Church" (I put State first because serious put that first!) Religious views have no legal standing in a competent legal mind. Face it Religious beliefs do not belong as law.
2/3. No proof cause you wont let homosexuals have children T_T. It's like saying non White/Religious people can't be president because there is no sample size. WELL LET THERE BE ONE.
"but this thread has morphed into exactly that: a fruitless attempts on both sides trying to convince they're right with no valid proof from either side."
It's one side saying law in AMERICA dictates you have to allow it while the other side is going LALALALLALAALALALA WRONG LALALALALALA
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On November 07 2008 02:24 LordofToast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:18 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit) HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom too. Show nested quote +Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy". http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718
I dont know what to say .... until its proven that its genetic, i dont even want to think about it
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On November 07 2008 02:24 Murk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:22 NightToad wrote:
Murk, dismount your fucking horse. This thread really needs to be closed. i agree it should be closed, cause there are going to be 2 sides to this debate and 1 side is gonna flame the other 1 for obvious reasons, but what i want to know is "dismount your fucking horse" what does that mean, im not trying to be an ass but iv seriously never heard that saying before
http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/on your high horse.html
p.s. Last I checked, Toronto wasn't French Canada. It's hard to take anyone seriously who has no understanding of contractions or English grammar; assuming it is "their" first language.
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On November 07 2008 02:18 Murk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit) HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason
Ok, Just because you think its a choice (A completely unfounded claim) does not make it a choice. You are the one who must prove it as a choice for your opinion to be justified. Therefore the burden of proof is on you.
Remember just because we cant prove god doesnt exist doesnt mean that we should believe that he does.
There IS evident that there is a predisposition and that it might be genetic. Also you yourself should know that attraction is not a choice. You do not choose who you are attracted to, you just are.
Now I said I was done here, but you cannot base your opinion on a claim that you have no basis for and expect people to respect your opinion.
I also want to know your answer to my previous question.
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On November 07 2008 02:11 Fen wrote:
Phoned, I would be careful what you post. That picture might get you in hot water.
Im not arguing this any further. Murk, I do not agree with you and I think you are ignorant.
I have one question however. What would your best friend came out of the closet? Would you tell him how disgusted you were with him and never talk to him again? Would it change your opinion of him? Even though he is the same person he was before he came out?
Your not gonna like my answere, so im not gonna, maybe i am alittle ignorant on the homosexuality subject, i said that in 1 of my post earlier, Look at it this way, i dont have anal sex with women either
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On November 07 2008 02:26 Murk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:24 LordofToast wrote:On November 07 2008 02:18 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit) HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom too. Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy". http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718 I dont know what to say .... until its proven that its genetic, i dont even want to think about it
"it happens in nature but its not natural LALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"
shut the fuck up
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On November 07 2008 02:28 NightToad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:24 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:22 NightToad wrote:
Murk, dismount your fucking horse. This thread really needs to be closed. i agree it should be closed, cause there are going to be 2 sides to this debate and 1 side is gonna flame the other 1 for obvious reasons, but what i want to know is "dismount your fucking horse" what does that mean, im not trying to be an ass but iv seriously never heard that saying before http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/on your high horse.htmlp.s. Last I checked, Toronto wasn't French Canada. It's hard to take anyone seriously who has no understanding of contractions or English grammar; assuming it is "their" first language.
Americans really dont know to much about canada, I dont know 1 word of french, and obviously english is a first lauguage
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From what I got out of that sentence you don't know any French. In which case, LOL. =[
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On November 07 2008 02:30 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:26 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:24 LordofToast wrote:On November 07 2008 02:18 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:09 IdrA wrote:On November 07 2008 02:04 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 01:55 IdrA wrote:
you think i have to be frothing at the mouth to call you a piece of shit?
im not angry, just pointing out that you're a waste of life.
there is, quite literally, nothing to get out of your post. youve made no arguments.. at all. just that you couldnt understand how a man could like another man (and then going on to say that it MUST be a choice.. makes sense) and that you find them disgusting but it doesnt matter..... as long as they cant get married or have kids. you have not made a single attempt to rationally support your position, and considering how disgusting your position is, yes fuck you. i dont have to be gay to think you're a piece of shit.
And all you have done, and show just how bm you are and throw nothing but insults around, and then there is me, someone who doesnt need to act tough over the internet and name call, if this law haden't passed, then maybe u would have an argument, but the fact that it did means there is a WHOLE lot of people like me, are they all a waste of life? are them all pieces of shit??? good argument was slavery and racism ok when the majority supported it? yes, you and everyone else who believes gays are disgusting or inferior humans or anything along that line are just as bad as racists. (juuuust in case you're a racist too that means yes, you are all pieces of shit) HOMOSEXUALITY until proven, not just a debate, is a choice, which means the 2 cannot be compared. I was born black thats who i am, homosexuality they choose to be with the same sex ( and as i said before, if its been proven that homosexuality is geneitc and your born with it) I wont lie ill still have ill feelings towards it, but it wont be nearly as bad, But i believe its a choice and not genetic, and unless you can show me proof where it says it is genetic you cant say im wrong, Open your eyes idra, im not the only 1 that thinks like this this law passed for a reason Homosexuality happens in the animal kingdom too. Homosexuality is also quite common among dolphins and killer whales. The pairing of males and females is fleeting, while between males, a pair can stay together for years. Homosexual sex between different species is not unusual either. Meetings between different dolphin species can be quite violent, but the tension is often broken by a "sex orgy". http://www.news-medical.net/?id=20718 I dont know what to say .... until its proven that its genetic, i dont even want to think about it "it happens in nature but its not natural LALALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" shut the fuck up
Idra go practice somemore so the koreans dont think their wasting their time on you
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On November 07 2008 02:31 Murk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2008 02:28 NightToad wrote:On November 07 2008 02:24 Murk wrote:On November 07 2008 02:22 NightToad wrote:
Murk, dismount your fucking horse. This thread really needs to be closed. i agree it should be closed, cause there are going to be 2 sides to this debate and 1 side is gonna flame the other 1 for obvious reasons, but what i want to know is "dismount your fucking horse" what does that mean, im not trying to be an ass but iv seriously never heard that saying before http://www.usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/on your high horse.htmlp.s. Last I checked, Toronto wasn't French Canada. It's hard to take anyone seriously who has no understanding of contractions or English grammar; assuming it is "their" first language. Americans really dont know to much about canada, I dont know 1 word of french, and obviously canada is a first lauguage
Canada is a first language? What the fuck are you talking about? 
Edit:W00T GOLIATH!
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did you get your moral code from the same person who taught you english?
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On November 07 2008 02:33 NightToad wrote:
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From what I got out of that sentence you don't know any French. In which case, LOL. =[
I dont, French is a second language here, ya you can get a better job if your fluent in both, but i was never interested in french, now spanish is a language i wouldnt mind learning, you guys are lucky
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wow i make a typo and people gotta jump all over it, its official you guys have nothing of any value to put in this thread which means it really should be closed
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