Vote! 2008 and Exit Poll - Page 12

On November 05 2008 03:25 Hans-Titan wrote:
Just a note on prop. 8 in Cali. My uncle, who is a homesexual, got married today I honestly can't fathom why people would want to make their communion illegal. They've known each other for 24 years before taking this final step, and seeing the two together just makes it obvious that their made for each other.

Also I don't buy the crap about gay-marriage destroying the family. Just because there's two men married, the entire family breaks apart? Come on.. The bonds of any decent family are way stronger than that, and my family has NOT suffered from having a gay couple in the house.

NO on PROP 8
YES to Obama

EDIT: Found this image was fitting...

On November 05 2008 04:58 HonestTea wrote:
Man, I really wish I weren't a convicted felon.

It'd be nice to vote

On November 05 2008 04:46 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I voted for Obama. I wanted to vote for Barr, but he wasn't even on the ballot in my state. I don't think they read write-in votes, so I bit the bullet and did what I had to do.

Does anyone besides me not completely trust those voting machines? You don't even have to put the paper in a certain way, I just feel like there's no accountabiity

On November 05 2008 04:32 MoltkeWarding wrote:


It's arguable that the abolitionist and empancipation movements are an outgrowth of Christian ethics, the notion of either being an absurdity in the Greco-Roman world in which Christian ethics first originated. Although Paul and the early Patristic Fathers did not insist on an outright abolition of slavery, they regarded the insitituion as a regrettable reality showing the fallen state of man. Paul in his epistles admonished his followers against treating slaves cruely and advised that they be treated as part of the family. This was a shift, if not outright reversal of the notion of natural slavery prevalent in the ancient world. Slavery was a universal institution in the ancient world, it was Christianity which, if it did not quite abolish it, at least provided the intellectual basis for it through its insistence on the inherent dignity of all human life.

Christian ethics contributed to the empancipation of women too, in the ancient world, by viewing marriage as a mutually binding commitment, encompassing the same obligations for man and women. It's known that women played a prominent role in the leadership of the early church, and were important patronesses of the movement in its infancy. The Pauline comments about the relationships between man and women must be contrasted with Roman Patria Potestas- the Roman patriarchal order. Most of our modern sentiments about enfranchisement of the poor and wretched would probably not exist had the Roman Empire not become aligned with the Christian religion in the 4th century. This alignment of course changed Christian doctrine in fundamental ways too, of course, which became partially romanized, but it's wrong for secularized thinkers to accuse Christianity of being the source modern moral problems, when all people, especially those on the left (with the exception of certain disciples of Nietzsche or Social Darwinists,) are indebted to its influence.

P.S. The comic above cites mosaic law, and it would be lying to say that mosaic law has not been adopted, in some historic instances by Christianity, but the prevailing view since Aquinas has been that the judiciary function of mosaic law were temporary, as opposed to its moral function, and ceased to be binding since the new covenant with Christ. That is, mosaic law was applicable only for the pre-Christian era.

On November 05 2008 04:59 Carnac wrote:

what did you do :O

On November 04 2008 23:27 Hawk wrote:


Come on dude, you're really gonna vote yes over semantics?!?! =[

THINK OF THIS MAN



I agree that a nuclear family is ideal, but we gotta deal with reality. Gay parents can make just as capable parents, and, in most situations, adoption agencies would give a kid to a good family, not some fucked up one.

Do the right thing dude!!!

On November 05 2008 03:41 jhNz wrote:
i'm german but i'd have voted obama, no doubt 'bout that.

08 barrack(s) ftw

On November 05 2008 10:57 Valentine wrote:

I'm really surprized to not have heard any 8rax jokes about barack 08 etc. (yet?)