2008 US Presidential Election - Page 47

On October 27 2008 03:35 fusionsdf wrote:


the ironic part is this post smacks so hard of seventeenism....

On October 27 2008 00:18 D10 wrote:
Limiting peoples choice is always a step backwards

On October 27 2008 02:04 Arbiter[frolix] wrote:
In the politics of the western powers some seem to see abortion and gay marriage as "moral issues" subject to the most absolute of constraints (often claimed to come from God) while at the same time being happy to indulge in the most chilling, objectionable consequentialist calculations when it comes to killing dark people in far away lands.

On October 27 2008 04:25 D10 wrote:


We made our voices heard throut the media like never before, we are lifting the left, and the pacifists, and destroying division in the world thro boards and words, but i guess you and your limited mind wouldnt understand how someone can make a difference posting on the internet.

On October 27 2008 04:39 fusionsdf wrote:


that wasnt addressed to you or what your defending

if you dont understand what someone said, dont post useless insults

How can you ever trivialize genocide?

On October 27 2008 04:32 Savio wrote:
The only real issue is if you see the unborn child as a human being or not.

On October 27 2008 03:40 boghat wrote:
I'm going to ignore gay marriage for now because I agree that it's just absurd to argue about and also doesn't have much to do with this issue. The issue that people who don't support abortion but support wars is pretty complex and only seems hypocritical on the surface. To pro-life people all the fetuses/babies are innocent and you are killing millions of innocent lives every year in your own country. Wars they support on the other hand they see as necessary and ultimately good. I've heard from religious people many times making the argument that the commandment is "thou shall not murder", not "thou shall not kill". They see abortion as murder, they see war as killing enemies.

I don't think any of these people like that innocent civilians die but that's a consquence of a war they think is just. I'm sure some of these people are so blinded that they think even the civilians are the enemy but this is not the majority. Furthermore, a lot of the most advocate proponents of war are those people that have family members fighting in the war, so there are plenty of people that are not completely emotionally removed. And unless you being emotionally involved in a far away war makes you help out the effort somehow, not sure what you would do, it's emotionally healthy and normal to disconnect from the war and live your day to day life.

On October 27 2008 04:25 D10 wrote:


We made our voices heard throut the media like never before, we are lifting the left, and the pacifists, and destroying division in the world thro boards and words, but i guess you and your limited mind wouldnt understand how someone can make a difference posting on the internet.

On October 27 2008 04:38 D10 wrote:
In my opinion, the mother should be entitled to make the mistake. Non matter my opinion about it, forcing the preagnancy upon her is a violation of the sovereignty and integrity of her body and mind.

I also believe, its the moms and no one elses problem to deal with it, unborn babies are a burden to the mother and it should be her choice, and not any ideology or philosophy, she should be free to decide if she has the will to carry it or not.

The fact that the baby is a person is irrelevant, because I believe the mothers right to make a mistake is righter than the kids right to live.

On October 27 2008 04:51 Mindcrime wrote:


That is not true. Even if embryos and fetuses had personhood, it wouldn't matter. The womb is the woman's and the woman's alone and any occupant of the womb can only remain an occupant if she consents to that occupation.

On October 27 2008 04:55 Rygasm wrote:
abortion should be a choice of the individual not the government, besides it keeps the population down anyways. We have too many people running around already

On October 27 2008 04:48 D10 wrote:
Plus, people wont stop aborting, like people wont stop using drugs, in the end prohibition is just another segregationist policy for electrify the base.

On October 27 2008 05:00 Sfydjklm wrote:

So you can kill your own child as long as he lives under your roof?

On October 27 2008 04:44 Savio wrote:
I would like to point out 1 thing.

There is a group of people in the US who think the war in Iraq is OK, but it is wrong to kill unborn babies.

There is another one (most of you here) who argue that that isn't consistent. Yet most of these think the Iraq War is morally wrong, but that it is OK for a woman to kill her unborn baby.

It could be argued that both sides are inconsistent, but the Catholic Church, actually opposes BOTH abortion and the Iraq War (correct me if I am wrong here).

For all the bashing of the Catholic Church I have heard here, it seems like they are the only ones who have a consistent argument.

I am not Catholic but I have a lot of respect for the Church and especially its leaders.

On October 27 2008 05:03 Mindcrime wrote:


No, but you can evict said child.