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Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
October 21 2008 21:44 GMT
#641
On October 22 2008 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many people here took US History from a sports coach?


I took US History from the football coach and World History from the golf/girl's basketball coach. The former was a dumbass, but the latter was alright.
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
yoshtodd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States418 Posts
October 21 2008 21:51 GMT
#642
On October 22 2008 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many people here took US History from a sports coach?


I did.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32056 Posts
October 21 2008 21:51 GMT
#643
On October 22 2008 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Our elementary schools are actually near the top and I'm not sure how you can criticize our colleges, besides the admission process. There's a lot of idiots that attend, but the schools are generally much more rigorous than many other modern countries and almost every state has an excellent, cheap public institution for those that wish to learn. Even community colleges have been improving dramatically over the past 10 years.

The math/science failure exists because of a shortage of qualified teachers for physical science, biology, algebra, geometry, etc. at the middle/highschool level. We don't need ridiculous testing standards like Japan or China, but there are way too many 'football coach' teachers in our schools.

Just out of curiosity, how many people here took US History from a sports coach?

My first Civics teacher was an unqualified idiot, but the rest of my teachers were actually pretty good. Junior year we were actually reading Howard Zinn as one of our textbooks.


Actually, both of my history teachers in HS were pretty good—both sports dudes though lol. I always bump into one of them at a bar, and the other, he's in jail somewhere because he was a coach on a State Championship team and got caught boning a couple of the cheerleaders hahaha
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Cobalt
Profile Joined April 2008
United States441 Posts
October 21 2008 22:03 GMT
#644
On October 22 2008 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many people here took US History from a sports coach?


I did, but my school is so small, that it was more or less the US History teacher who became the swimming coach out of necessity, rather than the other way around. There's only like seven teachers in my entire school who aren't sport coaches.
XoXiDe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States620 Posts
October 21 2008 22:40 GMT
#645
On October 22 2008 06:51 yoshtodd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 06:29 Jibba wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many people here took US History from a sports coach?


I did.


lol i did too, my school was also very small, rural small texas school, i imagine the same for many others.
TEXAN
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 21 2008 23:05 GMT
#646
For foreigners who don't understand, sports are a big deal in American highschools. Rather than find competent teachers, dumbass school boards (even in the good school districts like mine) simply hire a good football/basketball/golf/etc. coach and put them in charge of subjects like US History, because they assume it can be taught by reading out of a text book.

http://www.jobprofiles.org/edu912history.htm

Anyone with a brain can see how idiotic this is, but sadly there are not enough physical science majors, math majors or history majors who are willing to teach in public schools. Interestingly enough, there's always plenty of unemployed English majors who can teach those classes.
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Doctorasul
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Romania1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-21 23:49:11
October 21 2008 23:32 GMT
#647
I'm interested in what TL's opinion is on Noam Chomsky's take on the election.

(to those in swing states) I would suggest voting against McCain, which means voting for Obama, [but] without illusions, because all the elevated rhetoric about change and hope and so on will dissolve into standard centrist democratic policies.


Over time, the general population, a large majority of the population other than the very wealthy, tends to do considerably better under democratic than under republican administrations and the reason is [...] they reflect different elite constituencies. [...] It's not that the democrats represent public opinion, they don't. In fact, like the republicans, they are pretty well to the right of public opinion on a host of major issues, including those of most importance to the public.


To say it doesn't make any difference who wins is simply to express your contempt for the general population, because it does make a difference. A lot of what they (third party supporters) say is correct, the two parties are effectively two factions of one party, the business party, but the factions are somewhat different.[...] The spectrum within the political system is well to the right of popular opinion. [...] If you're in a swing state, you have to ask: is (the difference between reps and dems) enough for me to pick the lesser of the two evils... or is it worth trying to act to create a potential alternative. For example, should I vote Green because maybe someday their party will be a real alternative, or should I express my disdain for the right-wing orientation of both parties by not voting... or should I pick the lesser of the two evils, thereby helping people?


Part 2 is on the economy.
"I believe in Spinoza's god who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a god who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings." - Albert Einstein
aRod
Profile Joined July 2007
United States758 Posts
October 22 2008 00:50 GMT
#648
I think Chomsky would do a lot better hammering home his points if he used some examples.
Live to win.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 22 2008 01:28 GMT
#649
I think he's probably right about the health care part, but I think he underestimates the recourses people have to get their voice heard. Obama's campaign is a good example because the average contribution is still fairly low and it truly did start with ordinary people's efforts, not that of lobbyist groups and corporations.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 22 2008 01:41 GMT
#650
http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/10/21/dnt.nc.obama.dead.bear.wlos

Here everybody, this is what the Real America is all about.

Fucking disgusting redneck piece of shit.
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XoXiDe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States620 Posts
October 22 2008 01:51 GMT
#651
good article on purging votes and dirty tactics

Rolling Stone Article

say whaaaaat

TEXAN
Pacifist
Profile Joined October 2003
Israel1683 Posts
October 22 2008 01:54 GMT
#652
Riding a bike is overrated.
XoXiDe
Profile Joined September 2006
United States620 Posts
October 22 2008 02:04 GMT
#653
lol their other vids are gold as well
TEXAN
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
October 22 2008 02:06 GMT
#654
lol those 2 are pretty good
terrible singers but pretty funny writers
Manowarrior
Profile Joined May 2007
United States159 Posts
October 22 2008 03:11 GMT
#655
On October 22 2008 06:03 Haemonculus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2008 06:00 Manowarrior wrote:
Probably not the best contribution to the thread, but that's my 4¢.


Fixed. Remember to adjust for inflation next time.

Nice.
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
October 22 2008 04:28 GMT
#656
http://edition.cnn.com/video/

please watch the Palin one on one video.
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
October 22 2008 04:32 GMT
#657
have you guys heard what biden said about obama being tested by a generated crisis in less than six months?? that was kinda weird....i wonder what he means by that. What are some of your takes on it? srry for no link, its kinda late and no time to search right now. hope to hear some good opinions on this tomorrow, im intrigued.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 22 2008 04:36 GMT
#658
source?
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a-game
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Canada5085 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-22 05:14:54
October 22 2008 05:05 GMT
#659
On October 22 2008 13:36 oneofthem wrote:
source?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/10/20/bidens-crisis-remarks-reverberate/

“Mark my words,” Mr. Biden warned at the Seattle fund-raiser, according to reports from network producers traveling with him, “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember, I said it standing here, if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re going to have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

He added, “He’s going to have to make some really tough - I don’t know what the decision’s going to be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s going to happen.” He said he could envision four or five scenarios that might arise to challenge the new president, citing Russia or the Middle East as possible sources of trouble.


i find this quite weird too. i mean there are a lot of ways he could of said it, but the way he did it and the way he emphasized it, came off as rather odd.

"mark my words" "remember this, if you don't remember anything else i said" "i promise you it will occur" "i guarantee you it's going to happen"
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BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
October 22 2008 05:13 GMT
#660

Back to education, as mentioned on the last page.
The problem with the current federal education plan, NCLB, is the fact that it the schools are so underfunded(schools without paper????), that its really sad. So almost all schools have to accept no child left behind money, even if they don't agree with it. When this happens, as soon as a school accepts federal money, the local states having control over the school system is a joke.. Federal government forces their rules on these schools because school funding is a joke in the first place. Look at Nevada's cuts in education funding, a state that is supposed to recieve a lot of its education funds from the casinos, its simply not being delivered to the correct people. There are a bunch of advisors and people that never see a child that are making 100k dollars a year, and teachers are being cut back with the new problem of housing (Nevada has the lowest payrates for teachers, add on the fact with the highest foreclosure rate, and the housing market has stopped, Las Vegas is no longer growing, therefore need for teachers has stopped, which is understandable.)

Anyways, as soon as states accept No Child Left Behind Funding(more power to the states that don't, I wish all states could afford it), their entire school system is warped into this test and pass stage. Only the students who are likely to pass the standardized tests with help are being passed, and the rest are just being simple.. well left behind. Schools can not make AYP forever, even the schools in the top 100 in the country can't make AYP forever, mostly due to the fact that special education students, and students with learning disabilities are required to pass the same tests that everyone else takes is really insane.. Also, eventually in a few years, 95%-100% of students have to be able to pass the tests for the national governement to be happy, otherwise they can come into the school and completely fire and re-hire and change the structure of the school(after 5 years of not making ayp).

Of course I'm completely biased in my opinions of the current federal government education plan, but I really do not agree that pushing students to pass tests, and not giving any special attention to any other students is sad.

As far as our school system being superior to other countries, I have only been inside our school system, and I am now observing constantly inside our school system as its part of my college, as well as having 2 family members working inside the school system. So I have no comments on comparison to foreign schools. Other than the fact that our system is flawed in several ways. I do agree that our quality of teachers is pretty ok, just depends on who the teacher is. I have met some great teachers, and I have met some bad ones, it really just depends.
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