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Other than that stop hating on Kim dudes. Only half his country starves, the others still get food. It could be worse
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{ToT}Strafe
Thailand7026 Posts
Gotta get me one of those Other than that stop hating on Kim dudes. Only half his country starves, the others still get food. It could be worse | ||
XiaoLongNuSucks
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Zuries
United Kingdom156 Posts
On September 06 2008 21:25 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote: Kim Jong-Il is a bastard, no doubt about that. But I don't think he is so stupid that he forms a squad of 2000 young beautiful girls for the purpose of sexual pleasure. A dictator always wanna idolise his own image, you know, thus he has to make himself look as elevated as possible. There's probably a squad of young girls whose missions are singing, dancing, and massaging to entertain that Kim dude, but it's highly impossible that their duties involve sexual activities. More like it's impossible that they don't | ||
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Thailand7026 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit. It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others. I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is. I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.' I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog. It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit. Sorry slightly off topic. That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies. Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does. Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this. | ||
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Thailand7026 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig. hahahah oh wow. this post is amazing. and people are getting caught up in this 'product' business. in a social science with multiple variables, all we could say is that for example u.s. actions has encouraged or affected n.k.'s development in such a manner. it does not mean that nk is solely the product of ... taking these ideas on a personal level is silly. but i think jibba is just trolling. the point that cold war tensions made a nice resolution of korea impossible is pretty ok. | ||
oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On September 06 2008 21:25 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote: Kim Jong-Il is a bastard, no doubt about that. But I don't think he is so stupid that he forms a squad of 2000 young beautiful girls for the purpose of sexual pleasure. A dictator always wanna idolise his own image, you know, thus he has to make himself look as elevated as possible. There's probably a squad of young girls whose missions are singing, dancing, and massaging to entertain that Kim dude, but it's highly impossible that their duties involve sexual activities. yes, we all live in a bubble of perfect information. | ||
1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
On September 06 2008 23:50 Jibba wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit. It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others. I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is. I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.' I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog. It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit. Sorry slightly off topic. That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies. Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does. Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this. 11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons. P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea. | ||
beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On September 07 2008 01:07 1tym wrote: Show nested quote + On September 06 2008 23:50 Jibba wrote: On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit. It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others. I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is. I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.' I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog. It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit. Sorry slightly off topic. That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies. Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does. Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this. 11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons. P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea. Do you think that South Korea is overprotective? Or using nukes / making threats about using them is real possibility? | ||
1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
On September 07 2008 01:37 beetlelisk wrote: Show nested quote + On September 07 2008 01:07 1tym wrote: On September 06 2008 23:50 Jibba wrote: On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit. It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others. I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is. I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.' I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog. It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit. Sorry slightly off topic. That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies. Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does. Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this. 11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons. P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea. Do you think that South Korea is overprotective? Or using nukes / making threats about using them is real possibility? A lot of the threats from N Korea are bluffs, it's their means of getting international attention and maintaining their status. They believe that it allows them certain bargaining power. They are not idiots. They know very well that the initiation of nuclear attack will eventually lead to destruction of North Korea as well. They do not want to end their harem. South Korea is being over sensitive, but quiet rightfully, because they do not want to take any chances. They have to adopt all strategies and resources possible to prevent it. They have experienced first hand what N Korea is capable of back in 1950, and they have no choice but to be cautious. Such vulnerabilities are open to exploitation from other countries. | ||
bdams19
United States1316 Posts
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liosama
Australia843 Posts
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Hippopotamus
1914 Posts
On September 07 2008 10:02 liosama wrote: No? I was merely pointing out that Kaesi had a really good point, factual or non factual. So basically... you're telling us you like his opinion whether it's true or false? | ||
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On September 07 2008 01:07 1tym wrote: 11 billion is the historical figure, as in all the budget items added up. We gave a large portion of that money in the 1950s, so it's really closer to 100 billion or something. I'm not sure the specifics of the Seoul base situation, but I'm guessing it put a good amount of money into the country as well.Show nested quote + On September 06 2008 23:50 Jibba wrote: On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit. It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others. I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is. I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.' I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog. It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit. Sorry slightly off topic. That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies. Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does. Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this. 11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons. P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea. But you are right, defense contracts are a big export for the US. Sadly it can lead to some awful decisions/consequences, but it has also led to the internet and so on. o.o | ||
meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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