The Gippeumjo is a collection of groups of approximately 2,000 women between the ages of 13 and 40 (although most are believed to be between 18 and 25), which are maintained by the head of state of North Korea for the purpose of providing pleasure and entertainment for high-ranking Workers' Party of Korea (WPK) officials and their families, as well as occasionally also distinguished guests. (primarily for Kim Joing Il)
Little is known outside North Korea about the Gippeumjo, but information has gradually emerged through the testimony of North Koreans who have defected to the West.
Each "pleasure group" is composed of three "teams":
Manjokjo (滿足組) – a "satisfaction team" (which provides sexual services) Haengbokjo (幸福組) – a "happiness team" (which provides massages) Gamujo (歌舞組) – a "dancing and singing team" (whose members are sometimes asked to dance semi-nude)
Girls from throughout the country are recruited to be Gippeumjo members according to government criteria (one of which is that they must be virgins). The face has to be oval shaped by the time they're 16, more than 156cm tall if you're 15, 160cm once you hit 20 and 162cm once you are over 24. Your hucklebone to heel length has to surpass your height when you're sitting down by at least 5cm. The After being selected, they undergo a rigorous training period, with some Haengbokjo members being sent overseas for massage and vocal/dance training. 6 members of the Haengbokjo is currently known to be training in Vienna, Austria, in dance school. Gippeumjo members typically "retire" at age 22 or 25, at which time they are often married to other members of North Korea's elite, and their former membership in the Gippeumjo is kept secret.
lol I just checked another source and apparently on saturday nights in the main hall, there are India, paris, New York, Tokyo, Persia nights that take place in turns and the dance sqaud is strictly required to dance, dress, and act according to each respective culture and custom.
No wonder Kim is not interested in uniting with South Korea. In N Korea he is like modern day emperor Qin Shi Huang who built great wall of China.
I wonder what the psychology of the girls is like. I mean, just how brainwashed are they? Maybe they are proud to be a member of the "satisfaction team". Maybe they are happy enough that they get fed unlike many others malnourished N.Koreans...
lawl good ol dictatorship communist north korea.. if only they settled their differences with south in sc.. boxer wuld totally dropship everywhere with siege tank pressure + mnm micro..
I don't think the girls would mind greatly since not many of them actually has to sleep with Kim, since there are so many of them and turn over rate is quick, and they're well fed and live in luxurious environment by NK standard unlike many of the starving citizens in the country. They also get married to high ranking officials if they don't make it to the 1st class pleasure squad (the rank is from 1~13) and given houses to live in after they retire.
On September 05 2008 21:32 1tym wrote: I don't think the girls would mind greatly since not many of them actually has to sleep with Kim, since there are so many of them and turn over rate is quick, and they're well fed and live in luxurious environment by NK standard unlike many of the starving citizens in the country. They also get married to high ranking officials if they don't make it to the 1st class pleasure squad (the rank is from 1~13) and given houses to live in after they retire.
they're being forced to copulate with crusty old men their entire lives...
i guess that's somewhat better than starving, but not by much...
On September 05 2008 21:32 1tym wrote: I don't think the girls would mind greatly since not many of them actually has to sleep with Kim, since there are so many of them and turn over rate is quick, and they're well fed and live in luxurious environment by NK standard unlike many of the starving citizens in the country. They also get married to high ranking officials if they don't make it to the 1st class pleasure squad (the rank is from 1~13) and given houses to live in after they retire.
they're being forced to copulate with crusty old men their entire lives...
i guess that's somewhat better than starving, but not by much...
It's terrible either way. However you are dismissed from pleasure squad once you're past your prime years so I don't think they are copulating with crusty old men their entire lives. Additionally Kim Jong Il has succesfully brainwashed its citizens that he is a true hero and a great leader with God like status so they might not perceive it as horrible as other normal girls may find it to be.
On September 05 2008 21:25 Elric_ wrote: Those pictures.. "Must.. KEEP..SMILING"
I wonder what the psychology of the girls is like. I mean, just how brainwashed are they? Maybe they are proud to be a member of the "satisfaction team". Maybe they are happy enough that they get fed unlike many others malnourished N.Koreans...
Slightly offtopic here
I guess it's not exactly the same, but there's really good insight into how girls who perform the NK Mass Games think about this whole issue in the film "A State of Mind". It sure sounds like they are dedicated.
On September 05 2008 21:49 Biff The Understudy wrote: Kim Jong Il is such a lame mediocre piece of shit.
He and his regime are one of the biggest shame of modern times.
Fuck him.
Thank fuck that at least one person doesn't have more immature teenage sexual angst than they have moral and human outrage at such a maniacally fucked up cunt.
definitely one of the biggest shames, a complete tragedy that one half of a country is a nice and free, cool place, while the other is horribly oppressed and dominated by military regime...but they are the same race of people. Fuck kim jong il and everyone who stands up for him even on the most insincere, comedy level!
On September 05 2008 21:49 Biff The Understudy wrote: Kim Jong Il is such a lame mediocre piece of shit.
He and his regime are one of the biggest shame of modern times.
Fuck him.
definitely one of the biggest shames, a complete tragedy that one half of a country is a nice and free, cool place, while the other is horribly oppressed and dominated by military regime...but they are the same race of people. Fuck kim jong il and everyone who stands up for him even on the most insincere, comedy level!
You say it like all people of the same race deserve to be treated the same?
On September 05 2008 21:32 1tym wrote: I don't think the girls would mind greatly since not many of them actually has to sleep with Kim, since there are so many of them and turn over rate is quick, and they're well fed and live in luxurious environment by NK standard unlike many of the starving citizens in the country. They also get married to high ranking officials if they don't make it to the 1st class pleasure squad (the rank is from 1~13) and given houses to live in after they retire.
they're being forced to copulate with crusty old men their entire lives...
i guess that's somewhat better than starving, but not by much...
It's terrible either way. However you are dismissed from pleasure squad once you're past your prime years so I don't think they are copulating with crusty old men their entire lives. Additionally Kim Jong Il has succesfully brainwashed its citizens that he is a true hero and a great leader with God like status so they might not perceive it as horrible as other normal girls may find it to be.
well you said once they graduate from the pleasure squad they get ordered to marry party elites.
so they do actually spend their whole lives pleasuring crusty old men.
i agree that although it's always a sad atrocity to see this happening, it probably is possible that a % of the girls are brainwashed to the point where they don't know what they are missing. they probably just feel some dull heartache from time to time and can't quite place what's missing.
I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
Btw HammerD, get off your high horse. Nobody likes an angsty little boy screaming about morals and ethics. Exactly what have you done to qualify as an international arbiter of what is right and wrong? Rofl, S. Korea? I've heard enough about that country to know it is far from "free" or "cool." It's still a bastion of racism (like almost every other country in the world) and conformity. You want to talk about oppression, look how many S. Koreans get plastic surgery because they're unhappy with how they look, how many of their celebrities suicide from the pressure and hate mail from anti-fans? What kind of country even creates a subculture known as anti-fans?! Sorry, consumerist culture is far FAR from civilized. Which, I am assuming, is the standard you're choosing to judge N. Korea by.
Like the Bible says, let the man without sin cast the first stone.
On September 05 2008 23:17 Kaesi wrote: I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
Btw HammerD, get off your high horse. Nobody likes an angsty little boy screaming about morals and ethics. Exactly what have you done to qualify as an international arbiter of what is right and wrong? Rofl, S. Korea? I've heard enough about that country to know it is far from "free" or "cool." It's still a bastion of racism (like almost every other country in the world) and conformity. You want to talk about oppression, look how many S. Koreans get plastic surgery because they're unhappy with how they look, how many of their celebrities suicide from the pressure and hate mail from anti-fans? What kind of country even creates a subculture known as anti-fans?! Sorry, consumerist culture is far FAR from civilized. Which, I am assuming, is the standard you're choosing to judge N. Korea by.
Like the Bible says, let the man without sin cast the first stone.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
I suggest you educate yourself more.
How on earth can you compare the excesses of consumerist culture to the grotesque cold war hangover that is North Korea?
On September 05 2008 23:17 Kaesi wrote: I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
Btw HammerD, get off your high horse. Nobody likes an angsty little boy screaming about morals and ethics. Exactly what have you done to qualify as an international arbiter of what is right and wrong? Rofl, S. Korea? I've heard enough about that country to know it is far from "free" or "cool." It's still a bastion of racism (like almost every other country in the world) and conformity. You want to talk about oppression, look how many S. Koreans get plastic surgery because they're unhappy with how they look, how many of their celebrities suicide from the pressure and hate mail from anti-fans? What kind of country even creates a subculture known as anti-fans?! Sorry, consumerist culture is far FAR from civilized. Which, I am assuming, is the standard you're choosing to judge N. Korea by.
Like the Bible says, let the man without sin cast the first stone.
You have got to be fucking kidding.
I suggest you educate yourself more.
How on earth can you compare the excesses of consumerist culture to the grotesque cold war hangover that is North Korea?
Well, I think it can be conceded that consumerist culture is far from civilized. But North Korea is much farer still.
The reason racism doesn't exist in the North is because there are ONLY ethnic Koreans there, aside from like 10 defectors and sparing tourists. People are still killed and terrorized all the time for no reason, the fact that it is not because of their race doesn't make it any less horrific.
On September 05 2008 23:17 Kaesi wrote: I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
Btw HammerD, get off your high horse. Nobody likes an angsty little boy screaming about morals and ethics. Exactly what have you done to qualify as an international arbiter of what is right and wrong? Rofl, S. Korea? I've heard enough about that country to know it is far from "free" or "cool." It's still a bastion of racism (like almost every other country in the world) and conformity. You want to talk about oppression, look how many S. Koreans get plastic surgery because they're unhappy with how they look, how many of their celebrities suicide from the pressure and hate mail from anti-fans? What kind of country even creates a subculture known as anti-fans?! Sorry, consumerist culture is far FAR from civilized. Which, I am assuming, is the standard you're choosing to judge N. Korea by.
Like the Bible says, let the man without sin cast the first stone.
lol. Yeah you are right, man. Let's not judge anything because we suck ourselves. Then, as I have sined and as the Bible say, I should judge North Corea, even less Stalinism and Nazism. Because our society sucks also and is also not civilized (I completely agree with that, btw) and let the man without sin cast the fisrt stone.
Stupid discourse is stupid.
Learn a bit about what is happening now in North Corea, which is one of the worst dictature of a century which had many of them, and talk after. Please.
Somehow, this kind of shit from KJI doesnt surprise me, he is a shameless, dickless, jiggly, fat fuck wannabe emperor. He really needs to be dethroned, the shit he does gives humanity a bad name.
Wow, kaesi, you are an idiot. I won't bother refuting your points because everyone else did, instantly, because even a kid with a rock lodged in his brain could argue successfully against your points
What's up with people getting annoyed when people vent? Ie vent rage and irritation not ventrilo.
It's not like doing anything except for organising things is more than trivial when you are on a forum. Why can't someone express to other human beings his moral outrage?!
Kaesi, Kim Jong Il is a cunt. If you disagree, go join his pleasure squad and suck his tiny, tiny cock. I bet you like Hitler too.
On September 05 2008 23:17 Kaesi wrote: I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
Btw HammerD, get off your high horse. Nobody likes an angsty little boy screaming about morals and ethics. Exactly what have you done to qualify as an international arbiter of what is right and wrong? Rofl, S. Korea? I've heard enough about that country to know it is far from "free" or "cool." It's still a bastion of racism (like almost every other country in the world) and conformity. You want to talk about oppression, look how many S. Koreans get plastic surgery because they're unhappy with how they look, how many of their celebrities suicide from the pressure and hate mail from anti-fans? What kind of country even creates a subculture known as anti-fans?! Sorry, consumerist culture is far FAR from civilized. Which, I am assuming, is the standard you're choosing to judge N. Korea by.
Like the Bible says, let the man without sin cast the first stone.
Hey thanks for comparing sex slavery to insecurity and spoiled american chicks. At least now I know never to read any goddamn thing you post ever again, you unbelievable retard. Jesus christ I hope you're fucking ashamed of yourself when you reread what kind of verbal diarrhea you just assaulted our eyes with.
No seriously, just wow, that is some deep rooted ignorance. What are you, twelve? I suggest you start thinking about how to make proper comparisons and how to relativate stuff to eachother before you ever try to voice your opinion on things again. That is just about the most offensively bad post I've seen on these forums.
Kaesi, Kim Jong Il is a cunt. If you disagree, go join his pleasure squad and suck his tiny, tiny cock. I bet you like Hitler too.
Are you trying to say all asians have small penises?! Because I resent the accuracy of your statement
He's trying to say Kim Jong Il has a small penis. In fact, it seems like you are trying to say asians have a small penis
Is your birth country located in South-East Central Europe, North of the Balkan Peninsula, on the Lower Danube, within and outside the Carpathian arch, bordering on the Black Sea.[2] Almost all of the Danube Delta is located within its territory. It shares a border with Hungary and Serbia to the west, Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova to the northeast, and Bulgaria to the south. ?
Kaesi, Kim Jong Il is a cunt. If you disagree, go join his pleasure squad and suck his tiny, tiny cock. I bet you like Hitler too.
Are you trying to say all asians have small penises?! Because I resent the accuracy of your statement
He's trying to say Kim Jong Il has a small penis. In fact, it seems like you are trying to say asians have a small penis
Is your birth country located in South-East Central Europe, North of the Balkan Peninsula, on the Lower Danube, within and outside the Carpathian arch, bordering on the Black Sea.[2] Almost all of the Danube Delta is located within its territory. It shares a border with Hungary and Serbia to the west, Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova to the northeast, and Bulgaria to the south. ?
Keep ranting. It just proves how deep the mental conditioning goes.
How do I compare "sex slavery" to insecure spoiled American chicks? Simple. Both of them are controlled by social-cultural conditioning to believe that their behavior is justified and righteous. Or is that too difficult of a connection to make?
Let me ask you this. What is the purpose of the OP thread? Seriously. What is the purpose? To look down on N. Korea? To say, that is disgusting, look at that dictator? To stand from our lofty moral position and sling mud at another culture? That's productive? Why not take your harsh invectives and use them for something positive? Or is that another intellectual concept too difficult to understand?
Sorry, I don't buy into any knee-jerk reaction, and neither should any thinking individual. Sure, the obvious thing to do is condemn this behavior, call it monstrous, and talk about taking Kim Jong-Il out of power, but let me ask you something. Why do you think a man like this can get away with this behavior? Don't blame the man, blame the world for allowing it to exist. If people stopped pointing the finger so often, and started worrying more about the root causes for problems, maybe we wouldn't have as many??
Look at the economic and ideological battle waged between Communist and Capitalist ideology. Feel ashamed at how the Western powers have taken a country that refuses to buy into their economic and ideological plan and lays punishing sanction after sanction on the country. You think this harem is sick? Why not write to your political representative to find ways to improve N. Korea's economy? You think women enjoy being prostitutes? It's for the money. It's for the lifestyle. Oh shit. Another connection to how women in Western culture are obsessed with commercialism. Fancy that.
What I am saying is, sure, Kim Jong-Il, is a cunt. But who made him a cunt? Maybe you should take a break from hating for a second, and ask yourself who's really responsible. The answer is a lot closer to home. Especially if you're from the UK or USA.
And rofl, take your cookie-cutter labels back home with you hammerD. Hitler? Seriously? You want to use Hitler as another example? Way to stick your chin out for an upper-cut D. Ask yourself who's responsible for the Third Reich. Is it really Hitler? Or is it the Treaty at Marseilles? Quite ironic that it's those who don't think that are quickest to assume someone else's views are rooted in ignorance. Rather, my view is rooted in an ability to see the big picture, and a belief that what's important is not the symptom of a problem, but rather its source.
Frits, open a book, and try reading it, instead of memorizing it. Thanks.
On September 06 2008 04:13 Kaesi wrote: What I am saying is, sure, Kim Jong-Il, is a cunt. But who made him a cunt? Maybe you should take a break from hating for a second, and ask yourself who's really responsible. The answer is a lot closer to home. Especially if you're from the UK or USA.
And rofl, take your cookie-cutter labels back home with you hammerD. Hitler? Seriously? You want to use Hitler as another example? Way to stick your chin out for an upper-cut D. Ask yourself who's responsible for the Third Reich. Is it really Hitler? Or is it the Treaty at Marseilles? Quite ironic that it's those who don't think that are quickest to assume someone else's views are rooted in ignorance. Rather, my view is rooted in an ability to see the big picture, and a belief that what's important is not the symptom of a problem, but rather its source.
Frits, open a book, and try reading it, instead of memorizing it. Thanks.
USA and UK did not influence Kim Jong Il. His father probably did, who was influenced by the Soviets, who were influenced by people who were influenced by Marxist thought.
It's several generations of pervesion of collectivist thought that has led to that abominable dictatorship. The Treaty of VERSAILLES didn't make Hitler scapegoat Jews and kill millions of them. Sure it helped cause the second War in Europe, but it didn't cause genocide. I'm sure plenty of other people have been f***ed by treaties and not killed six million people.
Kaesi, I ask in all seriousness and with no offense intended, how old are you? None of your opinions are accepted in nearly any academic circle outside of extremist or "revolutionary anti-imperialist" ones and the like. So I wonder if it's youthful misguided idealism, or an intentional disregard and ignorance of facts.
On September 06 2008 04:13 Kaesi wrote: Keep ranting. It just proves how deep the mental conditioning goes.
How do I compare "sex slavery" to insecure spoiled American chicks? Simple. Both of them are controlled by social-cultural conditioning to believe that their behavior is justified and righteous. Or is that too difficult of a connection to make?
Let me ask you this. What is the purpose of the OP thread? Seriously. What is the purpose? To look down on N. Korea? To say, that is disgusting, look at that dictator? To stand from our lofty moral position and sling mud at another culture? That's productive? Why not take your harsh invectives and use them for something positive? Or is that another intellectual concept too difficult to understand?
Sorry, I don't buy into any knee-jerk reaction, and neither should any thinking individual. Sure, the obvious thing to do is condemn this behavior, call it monstrous, and talk about taking Kim Jong-Il out of power, but let me ask you something. Why do you think a man like this can get away with this behavior? Don't blame the man, blame the world for allowing it to exist. If people stopped pointing the finger so often, and started worrying more about the root causes for problems, maybe we wouldn't have as many??
Look at the economic and ideological battle waged between Communist and Capitalist ideology. Feel ashamed at how the Western powers have taken a country that refuses to buy into their economic and ideological plan and lays punishing sanction after sanction on the country. You think this harem is sick? Why not write to your political representative to find ways to improve N. Korea's economy? You think women enjoy being prostitutes? It's for the money. It's for the lifestyle. Oh shit. Another connection to how women in Western culture are obsessed with commercialism. Fancy that.
What I am saying is, sure, Kim Jong-Il, is a cunt. But who made him a cunt? Maybe you should take a break from hating for a second, and ask yourself who's really responsible. The answer is a lot closer to home. Especially if you're from the UK or USA.
And rofl, take your cookie-cutter labels back home with you hammerD. Hitler? Seriously? You want to use Hitler as another example? Way to stick your chin out for an upper-cut D. Ask yourself who's responsible for the Third Reich. Is it really Hitler? Or is it the Treaty at Marseilles? Quite ironic that it's those who don't think that are quickest to assume someone else's views are rooted in ignorance. Rather, my view is rooted in an ability to see the big picture, and a belief that what's important is not the symptom of a problem, but rather its source.
Frits, open a book, and try reading it, instead of memorizing it. Thanks.
Must we really blame the entire world when it isn't the world's fault? This is like saying every "rich" country is responsible for the starving kids in Africa. If you understood the history of the Korean War then maybe you would think differently rather than to blame the United States and the United Kingdom (lol)
Also, you can say that the Treaty of Versailles (you spelled it wrong) catapulted Hitler into attempting to take over Europe but the Third Reich still existed. The killing of Jews because they were Jews, the extremist conditions, everything still was there and would have been there in that time with or without the Treaty of Versailles. To say that Hitler isn't the cause of the Third Reich means that you, my dumb friend, are missing the big picture.
He just named the wrong city in France, now I'm thinking it might have been a joke because he is a user known for trolling. Although I guess that doesn't make him immune to being an idiot.
On September 05 2008 21:32 1tym wrote: I don't think the girls would mind greatly since not many of them actually has to sleep with Kim, since there are so many of them and turn over rate is quick, and they're well fed and live in luxurious environment by NK standard unlike many of the starving citizens in the country. They also get married to high ranking officials if they don't make it to the 1st class pleasure squad (the rank is from 1~13) and given houses to live in after they retire.
So whats the pleasure for? Someones gonna have to do it. And how are they allowed to train in places like vienna? they should stop them from learning how to please a man
On September 06 2008 04:13 Kaesi wrote: Keep ranting. It just proves how deep the mental conditioning goes.
How do I compare "sex slavery" to insecure spoiled American chicks? Simple. Both of them are controlled by social-cultural conditioning to believe that their behavior is justified and righteous. Or is that too difficult of a connection to make?
Let me ask you this. What is the purpose of the OP thread? Seriously. What is the purpose? To look down on N. Korea? To say, that is disgusting, look at that dictator? To stand from our lofty moral position and sling mud at another culture? That's productive? Why not take your harsh invectives and use them for something positive? Or is that another intellectual concept too difficult to understand?
Sorry, I don't buy into any knee-jerk reaction, and neither should any thinking individual. Sure, the obvious thing to do is condemn this behavior, call it monstrous, and talk about taking Kim Jong-Il out of power, but let me ask you something. Why do you think a man like this can get away with this behavior? Don't blame the man, blame the world for allowing it to exist. If people stopped pointing the finger so often, and started worrying more about the root causes for problems, maybe we wouldn't have as many??
Look at the economic and ideological battle waged between Communist and Capitalist ideology. Feel ashamed at how the Western powers have taken a country that refuses to buy into their economic and ideological plan and lays punishing sanction after sanction on the country. You think this harem is sick? Why not write to your political representative to find ways to improve N. Korea's economy? You think women enjoy being prostitutes? It's for the money. It's for the lifestyle. Oh shit. Another connection to how women in Western culture are obsessed with commercialism. Fancy that.
What I am saying is, sure, Kim Jong-Il, is a cunt. But who made him a cunt? Maybe you should take a break from hating for a second, and ask yourself who's really responsible. The answer is a lot closer to home. Especially if you're from the UK or USA.
And rofl, take your cookie-cutter labels back home with you hammerD. Hitler? Seriously? You want to use Hitler as another example? Way to stick your chin out for an upper-cut D. Ask yourself who's responsible for the Third Reich. Is it really Hitler? Or is it the Treaty at Marseilles? Quite ironic that it's those who don't think that are quickest to assume someone else's views are rooted in ignorance. Rather, my view is rooted in an ability to see the big picture, and a belief that what's important is not the symptom of a problem, but rather its source.
Frits, open a book, and try reading it, instead of memorizing it. Thanks.
On September 06 2008 04:13 Kaesi wrote: Frits, open a book, and try reading it, instead of memorizing it. Thanks.
What the fuck is that even supposed to mean. I have read books that use nothing but logical reasoning, books that have no bias because they don't permit it. Combine that with the fact that I'm way more intelligent than you and maybe you will realize that you are the one that is wrong.
I can only wonder what kind of books you have read, let alone what your motivation was to do so. You sounds like one of those retarded pretentious kids I hear every day, way to "be different", you're a fucking embarrassment and fraud. Leave politics to the big boys.
Actually, Kaesi is totally right. If it weren't for us worthless shithole Americans, the Korean Communist Party would still be crushed under the control of the Imperial Army. How fucking thoughtless of us.
On September 06 2008 05:57 Jibba wrote: Actually, Kaesi is totally right. If it weren't for us worthless shithole Americans, the Korean Communist Party would still be crushed under the control of the Imperial Army. How fucking thoughtless of us.
-Americans acted out of self defense, not in the interest of other asian countries. -That wouldn't justify doing anything immoral afterwards. -Americans still waged war in Korea against the communists later on.
Also stop saying "us", lol. It's not like you are responsible for anything the US has or hasn't done in the 40's and afterwards.
Anyways just saying, if you think America tried to save the world with their actions because they were all such great people you're wrong. All nations acted out of self interest in those days.
I was only sarcastically trying to prove his point than Kim Jong-Il exists because of American imperialism, but the Korean Workers' Party power structure was already in place before the Korean War so it's not like one of these Al Qaeda situations where we really did create the menace.
Anyways just saying, if you think America tried to save the world with their actions because they were all such great people you're wrong. All nations acted out of self interest in those days.
Fair enough. I realize the last sentence of that post made it sound like I meant that, but I really didn't. I just needed something else really drenched in sarcasm to tack on at the end.
On September 06 2008 06:11 Jibba wrote: I was only sarcastically trying to prove his point than Kim Jong-Il exists because of American imperialism, but the Korean Workers' Party power structure was already in place before the Korean War so it's not like one of these Al Qaeda situations where we really did create the menace.
Alright, I am in no way saying he had a point, just thought that was kinda silly way of reasning.
Al Qaeda wasn't created because of the Americans though, I find that hard to believe. They could've allied themselves with the western countries but they would rather destroy the west because fundamentalism leads to retarded thinking.
The leaders of the organization were trained by the CIA in order to stage guerrilla warfare against the Soviets. Another one of our successful nation-building tactics. The fundamentalism is somewhat of a front, I believe, for political issues with the west concerning Saudi Arabia and Israel. That part really depends on who you believe, however.
On September 06 2008 09:50 liosama wrote: funny how kaesi actually knew what he was talking about.
No he didn't. Although you can agree with him, his arguments had several factual errors and his rhetorical style was unpolished (i.e. not using facts, loaded questions).
Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
On September 06 2008 09:50 liosama wrote: funny how kaesi actually knew what he was talking about.
You want us to take your word for it or something? Do you even understand how discussion works? What is this supposed to add to the discussion, if you want to convince me he has a point go ahead and give it a try because all I've seen so far is faulty logic, strong biased views against the west and comparisons that don't make sense.
On September 06 2008 09:42 ramen247 wrote: they get to have sex with a god. of course they will be happy.
You honestly believe those chicks enjoy fucking a gross old fat dude whenever he feels like it?
I think he was joking...
The one thing that really interests me about N. Korea that is if the average citizen adores Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il as uch as they are forced to proclaim.
I mean, it's impossible to know for sure until we have satellite mind reading capability, but I do wonder if they all love them, all hate the, or if it's mixed.
It could depend on status etc. for a lot of people.
On September 06 2008 09:42 ramen247 wrote: they get to have sex with a god. of course they will be happy.
You honestly believe those chicks enjoy fucking a gross old fat dude whenever he feels like it?
I think he was joking...
The one thing that really interests me about N. Korea that is if the average citizen adores Kim Il Sung or Kim Jong Il as uch as they are forced to proclaim.
I mean, it's impossible to know for sure until we have satellite mind reading capability, but I do wonder if they all love them, all hate the, or if it's mixed.
It could depend on status etc. for a lot of people.
Noone who lives in poverty loves their government unconditionally. These people haven't seen improvement since ... forever. I guess it depends on how good of a job kim jung il has of isolating n korea from the rest of the world.
The average man there probably doesn't give 2 shits about him.
Yes that's what I considered, if he is masterful at isolation then people may be fooled into thinking that he really is a great leader and all other nations are evil imperialist oppressive warmongers. Obviously North Korea has a pretty powerful propaganda machine. Obviously anyone who learns about the outside world would hate their government there.
The bottom line is, everyone everywhere is a hypocrite at some time. Just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean we shouldn't oppose it. Say I kill a baby out of spite. The next day, I see somebody else about to kill a baby. Should I ignore it because it'd make me a hypocrite to stop him?
On September 06 2008 11:44 ahrara_ wrote: The bottom line is, everyone everywhere is a hypocrite at some time. Just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean we shouldn't oppose it. Say I kill a baby out of spite. The next day, I see somebody else about to kill a baby. Should I ignore it because it'd make me a hypocrite to stop him?
On September 06 2008 11:44 ahrara_ wrote: The bottom line is, everyone everywhere is a hypocrite at some time. Just because it's hypocritical doesn't mean we shouldn't oppose it. Say I kill a baby out of spite. The next day, I see somebody else about to kill a baby. Should I ignore it because it'd make me a hypocrite to stop him?
Well, first ask whether he's doing it out of spite first I suppose.
Kim Jong Il is basically a physical representation of human weakness, god damn retarded little spoiled fat kid, hes even scared of flying and hes massed the propaganda so everyone in his country, not just those girls, are sucking his tiny dick. stupid faggot should be dead or being tortured not fucking emporer of north korea, fucking die already.
Kim Jong-Il is a bastard, no doubt about that. But I don't think he is so stupid that he forms a squad of 2000 young beautiful girls for the purpose of sexual pleasure. A dictator always wanna idolise his own image, you know, thus he has to make himself look as elevated as possible. There's probably a squad of young girls whose missions are singing, dancing, and massaging to entertain that Kim dude, but it's highly impossible that their duties involve sexual activities.
On September 06 2008 21:25 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote: Kim Jong-Il is a bastard, no doubt about that. But I don't think he is so stupid that he forms a squad of 2000 young beautiful girls for the purpose of sexual pleasure. A dictator always wanna idolise his own image, you know, thus he has to make himself look as elevated as possible. There's probably a squad of young girls whose missions are singing, dancing, and massaging to entertain that Kim dude, but it's highly impossible that their duties involve sexual activities.
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
Sorry slightly off topic.
That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies.
Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does.
Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this.
I'm pretty sure in other countries, there are a lot more than 2000 girls being trained by their own mothers to grow up to be gold-diggers that fuck old men for money. I know it happens in the US of A plenty. At least in N. Korea, it seems like they have some security when it comes to how successfully they gold-dig.
hahahah oh wow. this post is amazing.
and people are getting caught up in this 'product' business. in a social science with multiple variables, all we could say is that for example u.s. actions has encouraged or affected n.k.'s development in such a manner. it does not mean that nk is solely the product of ...
taking these ideas on a personal level is silly. but i think jibba is just trolling. the point that cold war tensions made a nice resolution of korea impossible is pretty ok.
On September 06 2008 21:25 XiaoLongNuSucks wrote: Kim Jong-Il is a bastard, no doubt about that. But I don't think he is so stupid that he forms a squad of 2000 young beautiful girls for the purpose of sexual pleasure. A dictator always wanna idolise his own image, you know, thus he has to make himself look as elevated as possible. There's probably a squad of young girls whose missions are singing, dancing, and massaging to entertain that Kim dude, but it's highly impossible that their duties involve sexual activities.
yes, we all live in a bubble of perfect information.
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
Sorry slightly off topic.
That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies.
Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does.
Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this.
11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons.
P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea.
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
Sorry slightly off topic.
That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies.
Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does.
Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this.
11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons.
P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea.
Do you think that South Korea is overprotective? Or using nukes / making threats about using them is real possibility?
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
Sorry slightly off topic.
That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies.
Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does.
Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this.
11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons.
P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea.
Do you think that South Korea is overprotective? Or using nukes / making threats about using them is real possibility?
A lot of the threats from N Korea are bluffs, it's their means of getting international attention and maintaining their status. They believe that it allows them certain bargaining power. They are not idiots. They know very well that the initiation of nuclear attack will eventually lead to destruction of North Korea as well. They do not want to end their harem. South Korea is being over sensitive, but quiet rightfully, because they do not want to take any chances. They have to adopt all strategies and resources possible to prevent it. They have experienced first hand what N Korea is capable of back in 1950, and they have no choice but to be cautious. Such vulnerabilities are open to exploitation from other countries.
On September 06 2008 10:14 1tym wrote: Well Kaesi if you weren't comparing pleasure squad to gold diggers but instead compare it to human trafficking + sex slavery in America it would've given you slightly more credit.
It's true that there is no paradise on earth. Each has their share of the prolems, some more severe than others.
I.e. 2,300 people are estimated to be missing in America everyday which the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. That is more than Kim Jong Il's pleasure squad in a day. Not all of them are result of human trafficking and forced prostitution, but it is a rough demonstration of how severe the situation is.
I find it problematic however when people try to justify injustice with another injustice, which is the notion of 'since person A has commited murder it is OK for person B to rape.'
I sort of agree with Jibba's notion that Kim Jong Il today is a product of US imperialism. If you observe the path and policy that US has been following, if you are able to see beyond the obvious and what's reported in the news you soon realise how united Korea is not beneficial to USA at all. It would weaken the whole bullshit axis of evil propaganda US is waging, and it would mean no more supplying of expensive heavy artilleries, tanks and jets to South Korea at high cost. It also heavily affects South Korea's dependancy level on USA where South Korea religiously serving USA as a loyal hunting dog.
It's no different from how Iraq went to war against Iran with chemical weapons supplied by USA while on the front page US critisizing Iraq of its actions. It then attacks Iraq with fabricated evidences. Bush Administration is now attempting to manufacture phony evidence linking American deaths in Iraq to weapons supplied by Iran in order to justify attacking of Iran. A sad reality of country that has to initiate a war one way or another to survive and profit.
Sorry slightly off topic.
That's only looking at part of it. Weapon sales are nice (we were selling to Iran in that conflict as well) but also consider that the US has given $11 billion dollars in GRANTS (historical figure, starting in 1946) so I don't think you can cite S. Korea as imperialism. Especially when the end result is that S. Korea became a very prosperous country and the leader in some of the world's most important technologies.
Honestly, I don't think the Korean war was very much a greed fueled conflict. It was in our interests to halt communism, but S. Korea didn't hold some crucial presence like a place like Iraq or Turkey does.
Kim Jong-Il would be a dictator no matter what, barring assassination or something like that. N. Korea might not have been so secluded, but I'm sure there'd sitll be 2,000 sex slaves. The missing persons thing is kind of irrelevant to this.
11 billion dollars grants over 60 years is not a huge figure. Defense budget in Korea last year alone was 27 billion dollars US. Big portion of it is spent on purchasing and integrating latest weapons.
P.S I still very much appreciate what US has done for South Korea in the Korean war, but obviously it wasn't just to defend and free the people of Republic of Korea.
11 billion is the historical figure, as in all the budget items added up. We gave a large portion of that money in the 1950s, so it's really closer to 100 billion or something. I'm not sure the specifics of the Seoul base situation, but I'm guessing it put a good amount of money into the country as well.
But you are right, defense contracts are a big export for the US. Sadly it can lead to some awful decisions/consequences, but it has also led to the internet and so on. o.o
Total sidebar here. Regarding the lives of these women, I actually wouldn't be surprised if some of them go their entire lifespan without seeing an actual erect penis. I mean, if all they're doing is hanging out with presumably impotent old guys... Maybe one day after Kim Jong-Il kicks the bucket and they're free to leave this sector of society they'll encounter a young man and be totally shocked.
he does. one of the objective of the pleasure squad is to train potential wives for the high ranking officers of the party. they are often married off to em near the end of their service.
i recall china had a similar program once where the potential wives go through a lot of courses to be the "professional wife". some of the training includes first aid, etiquette, cooking etc.
I love how a lot of the comments in this thread condemning Kim Jong Il are egocentric as hell...bordering on hypocrisy nearing the level of the good ol' days of Western European imperialism...
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That said, that guy seriously needs to die...like now.
On September 05 2008 21:25 Elric_ wrote: Those pictures.. "Must.. KEEP..SMILING"
I wonder what the psychology of the girls is like. I mean, just how brainwashed are they? Maybe they are proud to be a member of the "satisfaction team". Maybe they are happy enough that they get fed unlike many others malnourished N.Koreans...
That's why... Your mom would do that too if she's dying of starvation, think about it. Elite status through marriage later on, your life is in good hands afterwards.
On September 13 2008 01:20 Excalibur_Z wrote: Total sidebar here. Regarding the lives of these women, I actually wouldn't be surprised if some of them go their entire lifespan without seeing an actual erect penis. I mean, if all they're doing is hanging out with presumably impotent old guys... Maybe one day after Kim Jong-Il kicks the bucket and they're free to leave this sector of society they'll encounter a young man and be totally shocked.
That's a very good title for an erotic film! FOrmer Pleasure Squad girl meets young boys!
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Keep ranting. It just proves how deep the mental conditioning goes.
