My mom slept in her room with the door and every window closed and with an electric fan on all night, every night since I was born until this very day (and I turned 20 next month).
I think that's the funniest accurate wikipedia page I've read. I wonder how much money could be made by betting that you'll sleep all night in an enclosed room with 5 fans pointed at you.
The age old 1. Go to Korea 2. Sleep with 5 fans pointed at you 3. ?????? 4. Profit!!
That if the fan is put directly in front of the face of the sleeping person, it will suck all the air away, preventing one from breathing. This explanation ignores the fact that most people point a fan towards themselves when using one, which causes air to move past the face but does not change the amount of air present.
"The Korea Consumer Protection Board (KCPB), a South Korean government-funded public agency, issued a consumer safety alert in 2006 warning that "asphyxiation from electric fans and air conditioners" was among South Korea's five most common seasonal summer accidents or injuries, according to data they collected"
On September 01 2008 11:36 MidnightGladius wrote: /shrug
I like timers simply because there's no point having a fan on for the 6-8 hours I'm asleep. Plus, you can detach them and use them in explosives!
If you are used to white noise and could potentially have other noises wake you up this is a very good reason to keep the fan on the whole time. That's at least why I do. It's kind of like people keeping the television or radio on when they sleep.
i remember a media coverage on this matter, and i never knew this was actually an urban legend. i still leave windows and doors open, whenever i sleep with a fan on. my father would always warn me about this.
Ooh, when I was at my aunt's house during the summer over at Korea, I wondered why the fans have timers. I never knew it was because of this fan death thing. My aunt always set it to 2 hours when I was going to sleep but I just changed it to 4 hours since it was so hot lol. It had no option of not setting a time.
On September 01 2008 12:07 LosingID8 wrote: it's because if you sleep with your mouth open, the moving air can dry up the back your throat causing it to close thus leading to asphyxiation
I think the only way for this to possibly happen (and I'd bet money it wouldn't happen even in the ideal situation) would be to get passed out drunk so you won't wake up, stick a fan on full blast down your throat and tape your mouth open. This is obviously impossible, and the only proof you need is that it has never happened ever.
Yea apparently its not only koreans, apparently the chinese believe this is as well. Only asians die from fans.
BTW my roomate and i added this onto the mythbusters website but they havent done it yet. Maybe the TL community should try getting this as an episode?
The Korea Consumer Protection Board (KCPB), a South Korean government-funded public agency, issued a consumer safety alert in 2006 warning that "asphyxiation from electric fans and air conditioners" was among South Korea's five most common seasonal summer accidents or injuries, according to data they collected.
if you wanna test it, completely shut your windows and doors. tape the bottom of the door if it has a fair amount of room beneath it. now, turn the fan on and directly point it at your face. now go to sleep with the full blast on.
good luck!
btw, i also think this might be urban legend after reading, but anyone confident enough to do what i said above?
On September 01 2008 13:36 CapO wrote: if you wanna test it, completely shut your windows and doors. tape the bottom of the door if it has a fair amount of room beneath it. now, turn the fan on and directly point it at your face. now go to sleep with the full blast on.
good luck!
btw, i also think this might be urban legend after reading, but anyone confident enough to do what i said above?
edit: the room you choose should be tiny.
Or we could look at the mountains of evidence to the contrary, the fact that this phenomenon apparently only happens in Korea/China, and the fact that not a single person has ever died from a fan.
yeah i heard this too and I believed it for a while when I lived in korea back when I was in mid school. I bet LG and samsung just made it up so ppl woudl buy their ac's..
On September 01 2008 13:36 CapO wrote: if you wanna test it, completely shut your windows and doors. tape the bottom of the door if it has a fair amount of room beneath it. now, turn the fan on and directly point it at your face. now go to sleep with the full blast on.
good luck!
btw, i also think this might be urban legend after reading, but anyone confident enough to do what i said above?
edit: the room you choose should be tiny.
The thing is, even if your body did go into some adverse reaction from this, which I very seriously doubt it would, you would wake up! You don't just die in your sleep from suffocation, you'll always wake up. The Wikipedia article is funny, look at the quotes at the end, apparently everyone who dies from "fan death" either has a heart attack or is an extreme alcoholic.
On September 01 2008 11:33 Pressure wrote: yeah... when i sleep with a fan on i always keep the door open i have no clue but my grandma pushed it on me
LOLOL so it's not a fake wiki? I read this shit a long time ago and thought it was a racial joke hahahaha
^OMFGLMAO
I thought about it for a moment... this is only something that could be perpetuated in an asian country, where people strictly adhere without questions or challenges. Any other place, if they were raised to fear moving-air, people would try it anyways, even if it killed them, just to find out/test it.
I can't believe there are people on this board who are like, "oh shit it doesn't kill you? i just assume it did since they told me so."
On September 01 2008 12:07 LosingID8 wrote: it's because if you sleep with your mouth open, the moving air can dry up the back your throat causing it to close thus leading to asphyxiation
I also sleep with a fan right next to my face on the highest speed with my window/doors closed infact I am goign to bed now and will be turning it on any second now!
i have been sleeping with my fan on for over 2 years..... even in winter. it makes a great monotone noise that luls me to sleep, and in the morning i cant hear the mother fucking upstairs neighboors
I've never been to SK, but IME in Taiwan and China, it's nonexistent.
I've never ever encountered a situation where somebody warned me of "fan death", or even connoted leaving a fan on overnight with personal harm at all.
As for suggestions of leaving a door or window open, that would mean better circulation and cooling right?
Basically, it was the most annoying thing when my Uncle would come and turn off the fan in the middle of the night when I was sleeping causing me to wake up in a pool of sweat.
One of the million mythical beliefs in Asia. God I hate superstitions. This can only happen when you meet number of criteria.
* You are severely intoxicated. * Your face is close the the fan. * You are an old man or have health issues such as asthma or heart related disease. * You have low body temperature that can lead to hypothermia. * The fan was on for at least 7 hours with maximum power. * You are really unlucky.
If this theory was true that any person driving a convertible for number of hours at high speed must die as well. This myth originated from Korean police unable to identify a root cause for a couple that died in a sealed room with fan on with no noticable signs of death in the 70's. To avoid their incompetency they simply came up with this riciculous theory backing it up with one of the hypothesis from a scientist.
Hm.. interesting.. Apparently this is not only in Korea. But my guess was almost correct, you will have to meet number of criteria to end up dying from the fan.
US climatology expert Dr. Laurence Kalkstein was in Seoul for a seminar on heat waves and explained the science of how fans kill:
“In a majority of fan death cases, the victim is an elderly person over 70 years old who died in their sleep in an enclosed room with a fan running. Differing from what we know up to now, it’s not suffocation or hypothermia.
He continued, “If a fan is run inside an enclosed room where the indoor temperature is high, the heat is concentrated on the person, so the body temperature actually rises,” further explaining that, “As fan air blows on exposed skin, the body becomes dehydrated, resulting in a heart attack or stroke and death from respiration difficulties.
The US Environmental Protection Agency advises that windows and doors remain open to circulate air and not to use a fan for long periods in an enclosed room."
Oh god wow. How can you be so stupid? Do people REALLY believe news reports that say the total of "fan deaths" in the last week have increased to 10? REALLY? Jesus christ.
One of the strangest things I have ever heard, haha.
On September 01 2008 12:52 HumbleZealot wrote: This is utter bullshit, for the past few years I've always slept with my fan on when its hot and I keep it on throughout the night.
On September 01 2008 17:46 1tym wrote: Hm.. interesting.. Apparently this is not only in Korea. But my guess was almost correct, you will have to meet number of criteria to end up dying from the fan.
US climatology expert Dr. Laurence Kalkstein was in Seoul for a seminar on heat waves and explained the science of how fans kill:
“In a majority of fan death cases, the victim is an elderly person over 70 years old who died in their sleep in an enclosed room with a fan running. Differing from what we know up to now, it’s not suffocation or hypothermia.
He continued, “If a fan is run inside an enclosed room where the indoor temperature is high, the heat is concentrated on the person, so the body temperature actually rises,” further explaining that, “As fan air blows on exposed skin, the body becomes dehydrated, resulting in a heart attack or stroke and death from respiration difficulties.
The US Environmental Protection Agency advises that windows and doors remain open to circulate air and not to use a fan for long periods in an enclosed room."
Kalkstein is Research Professor at the University of Miami's Department of Geography and Regional Studies.
I agree with you. Its comfortable and cooling to sleep with the fan on, but I think maybe there is a point when the fan can cause low humidity that can lead to dehydration. I encounter that personally when I work indoors too much, where the air circulation is controlled via the building.
On September 01 2008 17:31 1tym wrote: One of the million mythical beliefs in Asia. God I hate superstitions. This can only happen when you meet number of criteria.
* You are severely intoxicated. * Your face is close the the fan. * You are an old man or have health issues such as asthma or heart related disease. * You have low body temperature that can lead to hypothermia. * The fan was on for at least 7 hours with maximum power. * You are really unlucky. * You submerge the powered-on fan into the bathtub with you.
On September 01 2008 12:52 HumbleZealot wrote: This is utter bullshit, for the past few years I've always slept with my fan on when its hot and I keep it on throughout the night.
I am amazed you think this proves it is bullshit.
well all I know is I've kept my fan on for like 3 months straight, and 90% of the time my window is closed
I have occasionally gone to bed drunk during this timeline
so if it was fatal, I think I would have felt something
On September 01 2008 11:17 Leunal wrote: The first thing that comes to mind is not wanting to waste energy by leaving the fan on overnight, but what do I know.
this. It's Korea's strategy for promoting conservation of energy
At first I thought that koreans were afraid of the cover flying off and the spinning blade flying and decapitating you. That seems more plausible than their theories ;\
I'm gonna be one of the dozens of people who have already said this.
I always sleep with my door closed, and I've had atleast 4 different fans in the past 6 years, all of which, used usually without the window open, at varying speeds, in varying directions. The amount of times I have died are absolutely negligible, somewhere between 0 and 1.
I keep these fans on 24/7, which explains the high replacement rate, as they seize up or break. I know, I'm a pox on the planet by keeping the appliance running 24/7, with very little meaning or reasoning behind it. I'm just used to the white noise. I hate the noise from my computer, as they are inconsistent. Fan noise is where it's at. So consistent and relaxing.
I don't know where I heard it or if it was even true but if you're in an enclosed space, wouldn't you die from CO2 poisoning before the oxygen...deprivation...thing. Maybe it was Apollo 13...
...a climatologist to explain the effects of a fan lol wtf I don't even know where to begin with this, I closed my door and had a fan on every single day for years even though my room was the hottest in the house, I woke up hella thirsty, but no big deal. Seriously when people are 70+ when health conditions nearly anything can kill them..so the fan kills them? without the fan they'd probably die too, its so stupid to have "experts" even say anything on the matter. And yeah people lived outside for thousands of years, now all of a sudden a breeze can kil you. Get a clothespin for your nose, attach a 120 mm fan to your mouth and then you might die.
On September 02 2008 08:39 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: At first I thought that koreans were afraid of the cover flying off and the spinning blade flying and decapitating you. That seems more plausible than their theories ;\
When I was in high school, I was chilling out in front of the classroom fan when the front cover fell off. It hit the spinning blade, broke a small part of it, and launched the broken bit right into my left eyebrow. I didn't notice it until my classmate told me, but it was bleeding LOL, so I went to the infirmary to get it stitched. Less than an inch above my eye, holy shit.
On September 01 2008 18:31 BlackStar wrote: wtf lol?
One of the strangest things I have ever heard, haha.
On September 01 2008 12:52 HumbleZealot wrote: This is utter bullshit, for the past few years I've always slept with my fan on when its hot and I keep it on throughout the night.
I am amazed you think this proves it is bullshit.
well all I know is I've kept my fan on for like 3 months straight, and 90% of the time my window is closed
I have occasionally gone to bed drunk during this timeline
so if it was fatal, I think I would have felt something
Anecdotal evidence is not the way to refute claims based on anecdotal evidence.
Edit: To be clear, this is obviously bullshit. I just mean that saying "Well I've slept with a fan a lot and I'm not dead!" isn't the way to go about proving that.
I've heard that this "fan death" theory was perpetuated by finding some people dead in a room with a fan on.
Ignoring the fact that these "fan victims" had health problems, were elderly, or massively intoxicated, this would seem to indicate that fans do actually cause death. Somehow. Well, obviously the fans aren't doing anything but pushing air, so this must mean that they somehow create a "vortex" that, while not completely devoid of oxygen, somehow is fatal to humans. Or EM waves. Or uhm... yeah, they ionize the... air.... and that kills you.
Remember, folks, this is the country where people hang up plastic gloves filled with water "to keep flies away." And boil cats alive and drink the concoction "to help rheumatism."
They push away the air so yeah it is really obvious they are dangerous when you sleep obviously, you wont even know that you aint breathing air and choke to deaht.
On September 02 2008 08:39 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: At first I thought that koreans were afraid of the cover flying off and the spinning blade flying and decapitating you. That seems more plausible than their theories ;\
When I was in high school, I was chilling out in front of the classroom fan when the front cover fell off. It hit the spinning blade, broke a small part of it, and launched the broken bit right into my left eyebrow. I didn't notice it until my classmate told me, but it was bleeding LOL, so I went to the infirmary to get it stitched. Less than an inch above my eye, holy shit.
lol the dehydration part might have some backing. I feel much more thirsty with the fan on, that's easy to understand why. And wikipidia dehydration page does say it increases heart rate a lil bit.
So I suppose that if we're talking about a.. - town with very low humidity - some very old man - who already wasn't well hydrated before going to bed (wikipedia says old ppl don't feel the effects of it as well) - old man already have heart health issues (we all heard of old ppl dying of heart attacks because of very small rate increases)
Then I suppose it's plausible for old guy to die at night of heart attack. And one of the many things that helped the heart attack could be... the fan... lol
A prof from my university has a comment on there so I feel obligated to learn more about this. My korean friend said that the "strong wind from the fan coming into your nose and mouth interrupts your breathing" and I countered with "See also: Contemporary culture of South Korea, Urban legends".
WTF... I'm korean that live in Canada... i thought this was a fact... not a myth... all the korean fans in my house has a timer xD but my white fans don't lulz but srsly wtf -.-
hahaha one day, i told my mom to turn off the fan while i'm sleeping so that I dont die. i was like 5 but still. and then i woke up to find the fan still on... and i screamed my head off.
it was good that i found out at the age of 5 that it was myth. ^.-v
* That an electric fan chops up all the oxygen particles in the air leaving none to breathe. This explanation violates mass conservation and well-known properties of molecules and gases."
ROFL, I live in Korea (Uijeongbu) and I have a Korean girlfriend. Immediately after reading this, I asked her what would happen we fell asleep with many fans on with the doors clothes. She replied with just "gonna die".
All jokes about how my Korean girlfriend is imaginary aside, I seriously hurt my sides laughing. She still insists that many Koreans have died because they left their fans on while sleeping...
Anyways after thinking about this, I wonder if Korean fan companies didn't try to push this so that they could sell more new fans with timers on them? I mean, this wouldn't be the first time that fear has been used to control the masses..... seriously... and rofl again so stupid...
Hmm I'm going to ask my Korean teachers about 선풍기 사망 사고 hahaha, this is so ridiculously hilarious. I saw the thread the first time around but forgot about it.
GJ with the Korean girlfriend ... if anyone jokes about it over the internet, just remember in real life they wouldn't for fear of being destroyed by a marine T.T
I finished the marines in Jan 2008, now I have gone to the dark side and have become a contractor! Mwahahaha. Btw, my girlfriend says that you can have them on if you close all of your doors and windows. This is because if you leave them open, then all of the air in the room will leave and you will have none left to breathe. (바보, ㅋㅋㅋ)
On September 04 2008 02:09 BottleAbuser wrote: I've heard that this "fan death" theory was perpetuated by finding some people dead in a room with a fan on.
Ignoring the fact that these "fan victims" had health problems, were elderly, or massively intoxicated, this would seem to indicate that fans do actually cause death. Somehow. Well, obviously the fans aren't doing anything but pushing air, so this must mean that they somehow create a "vortex" that, while not completely devoid of oxygen, somehow is fatal to humans. Or EM waves. Or uhm... yeah, they ionize the... air.... and that kills you.
Remember, folks, this is the country where people hang up plastic gloves filled with water "to keep flies away." And boil cats alive and drink the concoction "to help rheumatism."
This! Asia is full of funny beliefs.
I think BottleAbuser is right. In a land where saving face is everything, "fan death" is a very nice way of saying someone died without mentioning that their liver exploded from drinking too much soju the night before at the 'men's only massage parlour' ^^
I'm gonna do a quick survey with my Korean friends over this soon. Will report back. shloober below beat me to it ㅠ
From my experience a lot of people believe in it but no one can explain how or why it happens.
Of the 20 or so people I have asked (all different age groups), I got about 8 different reasons as to why it happens from asphyxiation, to freezing to death to having a fan physically fall on you.
Someone even said that the fan 'cuts' the air and makes it unbreathable
Most people seem to agree that it only really applies to young children/babies though
This thread sickens me. My uncle died from fan death many years ago, I remember him when I was a child. Just so everyone knows fan death is not possible now with electric fans. It did used to be possible when S. Korea was less industrialized and often power and appliances were not safe. Main cause you leave the fan on too long something shorts, your house has a fire.
On February 04 2009 01:57 garmule2 wrote: This thread sickens me. My uncle died from fan death many years ago, I remember him when I was a child. Just so everyone knows fan death is not possible now with electric fans. It did used to be possible when S. Korea was less industrialized and often power and appliances were not safe. Main cause you leave the fan on too long something shorts, your house has a fire.
If the main explanation is electrical failure, then why are there all these outlandish Korean theories about fans and how they magically cut particles?
On February 04 2009 01:57 garmule2 wrote: This thread sickens me. My uncle died from fan death many years ago, I remember him when I was a child. Just so everyone knows fan death is not possible now with electric fans. It did used to be possible when S. Korea was less industrialized and often power and appliances were not safe. Main cause you leave the fan on too long something shorts, your house has a fire.
Your uncle was the tragic victim of "fire death" which has been scientifically proven to be fatal
On February 04 2009 01:57 garmule2 wrote: This thread sickens me. My uncle died from fan death many years ago, I remember him when I was a child. Just so everyone knows fan death is not possible now with electric fans. It did used to be possible when S. Korea was less industrialized and often power and appliances were not safe. Main cause you leave the fan on too long something shorts, your house has a fire.
Yes obv. it is fire death. But what people hear is that 'the fan was left on, shorted out, leading to...' and what is the practical advice? Don't leave fan all night. People start to repeat without knowing why, then later come up with crazy explanations of the habit.
On February 05 2009 22:55 garmule2 wrote: Yes obv. it is fire death. But what people hear is that 'the fan was left on, shorted out, leading to...' and what is the practical advice? Don't leave fan all night. People start to repeat without knowing why, then later come up with crazy explanations of the habit.
fucking moron.
according to you, Freezers should kill 10000000 times more people than fans then.
On February 05 2009 22:55 garmule2 wrote: Yes obv. it is fire death. But what people hear is that 'the fan was left on, shorted out, leading to...' and what is the practical advice? Don't leave fan all night. People start to repeat without knowing why, then later come up with crazy explanations of the habit.
fucking moron.
according to you, Freezers should kill 10000000 times more people than fans then.
PS: they probably infact do LOL.
The main cause of death from freezers is tripping over them for small ones and them falling on you for big ones. Also, a fan shorting might burn itself, but won't burn down your house. Bad wiring in the house is the cause. That is a common cause of death.
On February 05 2009 22:55 garmule2 wrote: Yes obv. it is fire death. But what people hear is that 'the fan was left on, shorted out, leading to...' and what is the practical advice? Don't leave fan all night. People start to repeat without knowing why, then later come up with crazy explanations of the habit.
Its fucking hot were i live, so every bedroom, livingroom and kitchen has a fan, yet i have never heard of a single fire caused by fans.
This thread sickens me. My uncle died from spontaneous combustion many years ago, I remember him when i was a child. Just so everyone knows spontaneous combustion is not possible nowadays. It did used to be possible when people had no games so they played with Kerosine instead.
On February 06 2009 01:13 baal wrote: This thread sickens me. My uncle died from spontaneous combustion many years ago, I remember him when i was a child. Just so everyone knows spontaneous combustion is not possible nowadays. It did used to be possible when people had no games so they played with Kerosine instead.
ok so I went to the mythbusters forums with the intention of letting them know of this curious little tidbit only to find their forums SPAMMED with fan death.
On February 07 2009 02:00 skunkySkunk wrote: ok so I went to the mythbusters forums with the intention of letting them know of this curious little tidbit only to find their forums SPAMMED with fan death.
I thought a thread on its own would not be justified by a gadget - I have not posted other things i thought interesting on that basis. however, the koreans have a special relationship with fans; it's an interesting thread to start off with, lots of people don't know about the fan death - I found it really interesting when I first read it. So I thought the combination of the two would interest a larger amount of people who clicked on it. sorry if it was not worth it.