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BlueRoyaL

United States2493 Posts

June 06 2008 15:47 GMT

#41

On June 06 2008 23:45 yubee wrote:
yeah you're supposed to single someone out and say "YOU IN THE GREEN CALL 911"

yeah this is like stuff i learned in health in high school LOL

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

June 06 2008 15:58 GMT

#42

People forget that humans are animals. We aren't robots and we aren't gods. We are animals. And we respond as such.

We aren't rational beings.

Chef

10810 Posts

June 06 2008 16:14 GMT

#43

On June 07 2008 00:58 BlackStar wrote:
People forget that humans are animals. We aren't robots and we aren't gods. We are animals. And we respond as such.

We aren't rational beings.

Do you get off on pseudo intellectualism?

The video is expired, so I can't really say much =/ Was the man scary looking? Sometimes it's enough that someone just looks super sketch not to want to get near them... But usually if someone sees that shit happen they will get a gut reaction to say "holy shit!" and that will spur other people on to get involved... but if that doesn't happen (maybe because a person doesn't want to attract attention to themselves in a dangerous situation) it's harder to believe it's real..

Imagine how many times you've seen homeless people acting crazy... Did you ever feel compelled to be all "oh shit, guy, what's wrong? Should I call an ambulance?" I mean, I once had to film a friend shaking a plastic baby over a big bridge from far away enough that no one could see me... people probably thought he was completely insane, but it's not like anyones going "hey, do you need help buddy?"

We live in a culture of people that like to keep to themselves, not one with a strong vibe for community anymore. If that scares you, just hope you'll be able to call out for help if anything happens to you. And don't dress like a creep

MiniRoman

Canada3953 Posts

June 06 2008 16:22 GMT

#44

Good thing I'm a badass motherfucking pedistrian. I fear no possibility of someone else already having helped!!!

BlackStar

Netherlands3029 Posts

June 06 2008 16:33 GMT

#45

On June 07 2008 01:14 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Do you get off on pseudo intellectualism?

il0seonpurpose

Korea (South)5638 Posts

June 06 2008 16:41 GMT

#46

I heard this over the news, it reminded me of the term silent majority, something during the Holocaust.

[X]Ken_D

United States4650 Posts

June 06 2008 16:41 GMT

#47

What a sad world when people just do nothing.

While I was driving, I saw a car literary fly off a highway! It was surreal as it banked off the hill way into the air. It looked like something out of an driving action movie. There weren't many people around since it was 4-5am in the morning. I parked my car then called 911. Walked up the hill to the car that was now flipped over. A person got there before me had already dialed 911. We wanted to see if the person was okay. As I got closer, a body hanging from the rear window with face full of blood. I wanted to do more like move the person from the car, but was afraid I would break his bone or cut him from the window glass. However, deep down inside I knew the person was already dead. I stayed 30 minutes to give the police a report of what happened. I was late for work, but my boss was understanding of the situation when I called him earlier.

I seen gory movies, but to see this stuff in real life is so much more difficult and scary. In these kind of situation, I can understand people freezing like a deer in front of headlights. I can say at least I tried. I have nothing to lose, but if someone survives because of me then that's enough.

Chef

10810 Posts

June 06 2008 16:58 GMT

#48

That's pretty scary, but there's a lot of implied information there that helps you make that decision (and I think almost anyone would have)... You know that they're at least affluent enough to own and drive a car, you know that there's very real potential they're hurt, and you've been told a million times in the driver's manual to be courteous and always help other drivers.

What you did was still good, but try this 'hypothetical' situation:

You're on your way home after a long cold night. Cold enough that someone could die if they didn't have shelter and they were out on the street (like -30 c)... You see this really sketchy looking guy with his head cocked all the way back like he just passed out on the bus bench. He's wearing gangster clothes, looks dangerous, and has probably done a lot of drugs that night (by virtue of the fact that he's sleeping in the most awkward position on a bench you can think of, and it's so fucking cold out you have to be crazy to be lying around outside. It seems like if you woke him up, he's the type of guy that might stab you.

What would you do? Obviously he's in serious danger if he stays, but it's not like there were any loud noises to scare you. Just this fucked up looking sketch guy on a bus bench.

My point is 'morality' shifts in particular situations. Even if you still would help this guy, it's taking you a lot longer to decide than the people in the car crash.

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It happened to me and me and my friends basically put him in fetal position so he wouldn't choke on his own vomit... Then there were some other guys talking about calling security, and this druggy trying to tell them not to because he'd go to jail... I wasn't having any part of that because they were starting to get physical and aggressive, so I just peaced when my bus came and told to driver what was up. Presumably he made a call.

[X]Ken_D

United States4650 Posts

June 06 2008 17:02 GMT

#49

PsycHOTemplar,

for me, it's not a black or white situation so I can't say what I would had done or not done. Stuff like this is so random. People don't just expect it to happen then have a plan. There is no plan, it just happens. I knew a girl that has an illness where she would get seizures. Knowing that, I even studied it on my own. From all the time I knew her, I never had to use any of the knowledge I gain. If in front of me she did have a seizures I'm sure I won't even be close to following it by the book.

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

June 06 2008 17:07 GMT

#50

Eh, thats weird, whenever i see someone having an accident, theres always at least 2-3 people rushing for help.

Just yesterday i noticed 2 accidents while on the bus:

A pizza hut guy fell with his bike (he stopped before falling so it wasnt serious) it was on a pretty busy corner, but still at least 3 cars stopped and guys went rushing to see if he was okay, one with a cellphone out. One took his soda though i think lol.

And a woman with her kids that crashed slightly with another car while unparking her car, people from the stores nearby went out to help, even brought bread for the kids.

Chef

10810 Posts

June 06 2008 17:08 GMT

#51

Generally you know how you can help a person, and the only thing stopping you is concerns for yourself. Plans never really have to be complex, you can generally play it by ear and most helpful thing to do is fairly obvious.

But fair enough lol... Sometimes it's as simple as whether or not you're having a good day and feeling generous or not.

Infundibulum

United States2552 Posts

June 06 2008 17:22 GMT

#52

this was on the news last night. happened in my state. i think it's just a case of nobody there being responsible.

Senx

Sweden5901 Posts

June 06 2008 17:57 GMT

#53

I don't understand people in this thread who try to find excuses for this kind of behavior, it makes no sense to me how a person that sees a man bleeding from his head in the middle of a road does NOTHING and just walks past him.

I wouldn't be able to live with myself having that thought in my head for the rest of life, where i ignored a man who was dieing beacuse i "had a bad day" "or didn't feel like helping out".

It goes back to how your parents raised you and what values you live after, but if you stand to look yourself in the mirror after such an event like this without even caring, there is something seriously wrong with you.

Falcynn

United States3597 Posts

June 06 2008 19:43 GMT

#54

On June 06 2008 07:30 yare wrote:
it's hard to help people in america any more, because everyone assumes your motives are bad. then you end up getting sued or something. sad state we are in that pedophiles, womanizers, personal injury lawyers, stupid judge/jury, or news sources have produced an environment which causes the first reaction to tragedy not to be helpful but to ensure you do not suffer as a consequence.

Agreed, there's actually some story about when the earthquake in 1989 hit California some man helped a woman out of her car (the car was pinned under a collapsed bridge) and 5 minutes later the bridge further collapsed and pancaked the car.

Once everything was settled the woman sued the man that saved her for the damages to her car (she made up some bullshit about how he forcefully caused her to evacuate the car without giving her a chance to get the car out of the way (IT WAS FUCKING PINNED TO THE GROUND!!!))

and won the case.

If people have become less sympathetic to seeing people in danger I'd guess shit like that had to be at least partly responsible.

Retsukage

United States1002 Posts

June 06 2008 20:23 GMT

#55

On June 07 2008 04:43 Falcynn wrote:
Agreed, there's actually some story about when the earthquake in 1989 hit California some man helped a woman out of her car (the car was pinned under a collapsed bridge) and 5 minutes later the bridge further collapsed and pancaked the car.

Once everything was settled the woman sued the man that saved her for the damages to her car (she made up some bullshit about how he forcefully caused her to evacuate the car without giving her a chance to get the car out of the way (IT WAS FUCKING PINNED TO THE GROUND!!!))

and won the case.

This makes me rage so hard. I can't believe we live in a society like this.

Reminds me of the story about the robber who broke into someones house through the window. But since he fell on the ground and broke his arm, he sued the house owners. He also won that case.

Mora

Canada5235 Posts

June 06 2008 20:37 GMT

#56

On June 07 2008 05:23 Retsukage wrote:

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i've heard many variations of that story: fell through windows and landed on knives, fell through window and broke a table, etc. I even think that example was used in Liar Liar. not sure if it's true or if simply happens alot.

either way, these things are so sad.

Orome

Switzerland11984 Posts

June 06 2008 20:39 GMT

#57

This is a known psycholgical effect. When you're in a crowd, you tend to mirror what everyone else is doing. Have you ever noticed that everyone in an elevator faces the same direction and if you turn around, people tend to turn around with you? This is how mobs work and normal people do stuff they'd never have thought they would. What happens in this specific example is that you see the injured guy and then look around at what everyone else is doing for guidance as to how to react. They're in the same uncertain state of mind but because you see them not doing anything, you assume that's the 'thing to do', you start rationalizing your behaviour ('someone must've called the ambulance already') and copy them.

You're not making a conscious decision not to help him, your insecurities and your fear to look weird paralyze you. Now I'm not trying to say there's nothing you can do, it's a very weak reaction but one many people fall victim to. Many of you in this thread, filled with indignation, would have reacted just like the people in the video.

We don't like to admit it but we're all influenced by psychological factors like the crowd mentality and overcoming them isn't easy. None of the people in the Milgram experiment would've thought they would ever kill a person just because an authority figure told them to but more than half of them did. Occupying the moral highground here if you've never been in a situation like this and managed to overcome it is both uninformed and self-delusional.