EPThttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture
So I'm curious....
Has anyone ever tried it? What do you think about it? Does it actually work?
Acupuncture
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acupuncture So I'm curious.... Has anyone ever tried it? What do you think about it? Does it actually work? | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
At least it seems VERY safe. "combined studies in the UK of 66,229 acupuncture treatments yielded only 134 minor adverse events. (British Medical Journal 2001 Sep 1). The total of 121,520 treatments with acupuncture therapy were given with no major adverse incidents" Minor adverse effects being: Minor bleeding after removal of the needles (Holding a cotton ball for about one minute over the site of puncture is usually sufficient to stop the bleeding.) Hematoma, which manifests as bruises. These usually go away after a few days. Dizziness, Some patients have a conscious or unconscious fear of needles which can produce dizziness and other symptoms of anxiety. Patients are usually treated lying down in order to reduce likelihood of fainting. I think people should give alternative medical treatment a chance | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On February 09 2008 03:16 d1v wrote: I've had medical treatment with acupuncture, because I had some sort of eating disorder (physically, not mentally) and it worked great. It's somewhat uncomfortable at first, but as soon as you'll get used to the needles, you'll fall asleep very likely. From the outside this could be interpreted as the equivalent of "as soon as you get used to the anal penetration, you'll fall asleep very easily." What I'm trying to say is, do the needles hurt or not lol. | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
On February 09 2008 03:18 fanatacist wrote: From the outside this could be interpreted as the equivalent of "as soon as you get used to the anal penetration, you'll fall asleep very easily." What I'm trying to say is, do the needles hurt or not lol. LOL unconscious desire to talk about homosexual acts? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
Im wondering if anyone has had any postive from it? Most of the reserarch I read said it seemed to work for back pain, somewhat for should pain, and everything else was kinda gray. I think jens found the same link as me. | ||
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fanatacist
10319 Posts
On February 09 2008 03:26 JensOfSweden wrote: LOL unconscious desire to talk about homosexual acts? STFU T_T Don't hijack this thread by riding on my stoned attempts at humor. | ||
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
It's commonly used for pain yeah Fana, I found the part about falling asleep to anal sex quite funny | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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Asta
Germany3491 Posts
But studies proved that correct Acupuncture works fine, but not better than needles inserted at random points over your body or fake-needles which retract upon contact with your skin. It's all a matter of believing and positive thinking. Maybe this kinda ruined it for you, maybe it didn't. Actually I hope you will get over your problems without treatment. In so many cases your diseases are just in your head (google 'Nocebo'). Human senses often fail to see the truth when it doesn't appeal to you. This goes for your outer senses as well as your inner senses. In other words, if you want to feel sick, you will feel sick, and if feel sick, you will become sick. | ||
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unsoundlogic
United States391 Posts
From what I hear from some of her patients, it's pretty effective. They come back quite often. I've never had it done on me, because needles scare me -_-;;. She has this electic thingy that she attaches to the needles and gives some kind of light shock to her patients as well. I think it's pretty much a placebo effect, but I know my mom strongly believes in it. She also uses a few herbal medicines as well, so that might have some effect. She's had patients with back pain, arthritis, a broken ankle... some of her patients are those new age people that like work in communal gardens and grow a lot of their own herbs, so I guess the placebo effect is stronger for them. | ||
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defenestrate
United States579 Posts
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rpf
United States2705 Posts
On February 09 2008 03:52 Asta wrote: It's only a strong Placebo effect but that doesn't mean it's bad. Placebo effects can be as strong as morphia or similar drugs. It depends on the patient really. But studies proved that correct Acupuncture works fine, but not better than needles inserted at random points over your body or fake-needles which retract upon contact with your skin. It's all a matter of believing and positive thinking. And your source is what, exactly? I know what you're getting at, but if you're going to "debunk" a specific type of unconventional, or alternative medicinal practice, at least cite some reputable sources. | ||
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
When I played soccer a lot more actively in the past I would get some nasty ankle sprains. I went to the same acupuncturist every time and usually a day or two after the treatment it would be completely healed. She would use the needles that came in pre-packaged bags and then use a heat lamp over the needles for about 10-15 minutes. They weren't just ordinary needles though, they had coils on the top so I guess the heat made them vibrate a bit. Sad thing is, she was a certified doctor in China, but had yet to be certified after moving to America, so all patients that wanted to receive acupuncture had to sign a waiver etc. Other acupuncturists that I've visited don't work, because they didn't use the method that the first one I mentioned did. It releases stress in the area for a bit, but the pain comes back. As for pain, it doesn't really hurt...although it depends where you get it. Obviously treatment on your inner thigh or something would hurt more than your arm. But seriously, be a man it's like pricking yourself with the end of a safety pin. If I had to compare it to something, it hurts about half as bad as getting a vaccine shot, although it's more than just one prick. | ||
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d1v
Sweden868 Posts
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JensOfSweden
Cameroon1767 Posts
On February 09 2008 03:52 Asta wrote: It's only a strong Placebo effect but that doesn't mean it's bad. Placebo effects can be as strong as morphia or similar drugs. It depends on the patient really. But studies proved that correct Acupuncture works fine, but not better than needles inserted at random points over your body or fake-needles which retract upon contact with your skin. It's all a matter of believing and positive thinking. Maybe this kinda ruined it for you, maybe it didn't. Actually I hope you will get over your problems without treatment. In so many cases your diseases are just in your head (google 'Nocebo'). Human senses often fail to see the truth when it doesn't appeal to you. This goes for your outer senses as well as your inner senses. In other words, if you want to feel sick, you will feel sick, and if feel sick, you will become sick. Whether it's placebo or not doesn't matter at all. Seriously it doesn't matter at all! Besides you honestly don't have an idea whether or not it is placebo or not, so don't try to say it is. It's whether it works that matters, and if it obviously works, how is it not as good or better than western medicine? I bet you jerk off to Richard Dawkins too Oh and when you say "studies proved", do link to those studies please! Your word doesn't matter, proof does....right? | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32080 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
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Frits
11782 Posts
Health is a condition of balance of yin and yang within the body. Particularly important in acupuncture is the free flow of Qi From wikipedia ^, you guys are totally gullible. I don't see any reason to believe that it does anything but a placebo effect. Whether it's placebo or not doesn't matter at all. Seriously it doesn't matter at all! Except proving that it actually does nothing and that you might as well have a nice talk with someone? What do you mean it doesn't matter. It's whether it works that matters, and if it obviously works, how is it not as good or better than western medicine? Western medicine is made from chemicals that have certain effects on your body while putting pins in your body does nothing but give you the illusion that you're being healed, resulting in less stress or something probably, which can take away stuff like nausea etc. These are not even diseases, acupuncture does not treat diseases, just minor complaints. And it doesn't "obviously work" as you like to put it, what a bunch of bullshit, it even says on the wiki page that it's a controversial subject. I've seen absolutely no scientific reasoning on the wiki page, just a bunch of made up stuff which is the same with homeopathy and spiritual healing. Ying and Yang? Give me a fucking break. I can't believe how people fall for this crap. The only reason this kind of stuff exists is because the majority of all people are dumb and gullible. | ||
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