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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
January 22 2008 17:32 GMT
#41
I see three cases:

A..B..C
I....I...G
I...G...I
G..I....I

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I must be missing something because I don't see how it is anything but 50%. I'm terrible at these types of logic problems anyways, I always miss the point.
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 22 2008 17:32 GMT
#42
well then let me make it clear now, Adam does NOT know whether he got sentenced to death or not.

(even if he was innocent the court can still sentence him to death anyways)
...from the land of imba
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 17:35:27
January 22 2008 17:35 GMT
#43
So basically, + Show Spoiler +
there's 3 socks, one is black. Number 3 isn't black. What's the chance Number 1 is black. What am I missing here?
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dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 22 2008 17:39 GMT
#44
Chill
not quite.. doesnt work that way. the grouping matters.
...from the land of imba
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25986 Posts
January 22 2008 17:47 GMT
#45
Well I know you're a smart guy so you wouldn't have asked a question that simple. Whatever I'm missing is just going above my head :D
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lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 17:58:51
January 22 2008 17:47 GMT
#46
1/3 chance Adam is guilty, 2/3 chance one of the other 2 is guilty.
Chance that one of the other 2 is not guilty = 100%
Chance that Adam is guilty = 1/3, chance that Chris is guilty = 2/3

Guilty = sentenced... whatever wording you prefer, that's just what the answer is.
I'll call Nada.
atarianimo
Profile Joined June 2007
United States82 Posts
January 22 2008 18:14 GMT
#47
lololol is correct on this one, it's basically the old 2 donkeys, 1 car behind 3 doors problem.
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 18:29:23
January 22 2008 18:28 GMT
#48
ING DING DING*
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We have a winner! Congratulations to lololol!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Prisoners_Problem


Next problem!
There are 1000 coins, 1 of em is fake and weighs less than others. using a balance scale, how many times do you have to weigh to find out which coin is fake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighing_scale#Balance

[a harder version. there are x coins, and your balance has y bowls (your balance can tilt in m directions). how many times does it need now?]
...from the land of imba
RzzE
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany20 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 19:54:00
January 22 2008 19:19 GMT
#49
On January 23 2008 03:28 dybydx wrote:
ING DING DING*
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We have a winner! Congratulations to lololol!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Prisoners_Problem


Next problem!
There are 1000 coins, 1 of em is fake and weighs less than others. using a balance scale, how many times do you have to weigh to find out which coin is fake.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weighing_scale#Balance

[a harder version. there are x coins, and your balance has y bowls (your balance can tilt in m directions). how many times does it need now?]


You divide the pile of coins in half and measure both halves. You discard the heavier pile.

You repeat the procedure. If your pile has an odd number of coins you set one coin aside and measure the 2 piles. if they both weigh the same, you have found your fake coin.

I counted a maximum of 18 measurements.

Edit: sorry I mean 9 measurements on the balance scale. But the method described below of dividing it into 3 piles is more efficient.
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
January 22 2008 19:35 GMT
#50
If you divide the coins into 3 piles: 333, 333, and 334 then weigh the two piles of 333 against each other. In the worst case, the coin will be in the stack of 334. Repeat the procedure using piles of 111 with the pile of 112 not on the scale. Continue to repeat until you have 5 coins: place 2 stacks of 2 on the scale and leave 1 coin off. In the worst case you need 1 more measurement after that.

I count a maximum of 7 measurements
Uff Da
RzzE
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany20 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 20:44:05
January 22 2008 19:35 GMT
#51
If that was correct (or even if it wasn't ) I'd like to propose the following puzzle:

Four people are on one side of a bridge in the dark. The bridge can only support 2 people at a time. There is only one torch among the four of them and the torch needs to be carried along with the pair crossing the bridge.

The people take different times to cross the bridge:It takes them 10 mins, 5 mins, 2 mins and 1 min respectively. A pair crossing the bridge walks at the speed of the slowest of the two of them.

What is the minimum time for all of them to have crossed the bridge?

Edit: Bad wording, sorry. What is the minimum time it takes to have them all end up on the opposite side of the bridge?

Answer:
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17 mins
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 22 2008 19:39 GMT
#52
that's a neat riddle but i first saw it in my math class for 7th grade and almost everyone got it pretty quickly, i think TL is a little beyond that level ;p
RzzE
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany20 Posts
January 22 2008 19:44 GMT
#53
Oh well, I thought it was fun. Even if you find it too easy, I still think people will appreciate seeing it.
Macavenger
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1132 Posts
January 22 2008 19:55 GMT
#54
On January 23 2008 03:28 dybydx wrote:
[a harder version. there are x coins, and your balance has y bowls (your balance can tilt in m directions). how many times does it need now?]


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I'm pretty sure this is ceiling(log base (y+1) (x)).
In a less technical format, (y+1)^n = x, solve for n, rounding up, gives the smallest possible worst case number of measurements.
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
January 22 2008 19:56 GMT
#55
This one is hard:

You have 12 identical-looking coins and a balance that compares the weight on its two arms and only says which side is heavier and which is lighter. One of the coins is fake and differs only in weight, however, when you get the coins, you don't know if the fake one is lighter or heavier. What you need is a foolproof method of finding the fake coin in 3 weighings.
spammerA
Profile Joined July 2006
China355 Posts
January 22 2008 20:12 GMT
#56
I still don't understand the original op problem, how did you eliminate dates?
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 22 2008 20:23 GMT
#57
On January 23 2008 04:56 MPXMX wrote:
This one is hard:

You have 12 identical-looking coins and a balance that compares the weight on its two arms and only says which side is heavier and which is lighter. One of the coins is fake and differs only in weight, however, when you get the coins, you don't know if the fake one is lighter or heavier. What you need is a foolproof method of finding the fake coin in 3 weighings.


my favorite riddle of all time. spent like a week trying to figure it out until i gave up, then i nailed it in like 10 minutes months later when waiting for an exam lol
Muirhead
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States556 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 20:34:06
January 22 2008 20:31 GMT
#58
MPXMX's problem:
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Label the coins 1-12. Then do the following weighings:
1 4 6 10 against 5 7 9 12
2 5 4 11 against 6 8 7 10
3 6 5 12 against 4 9 8 11

Listing out all the cases shows that these weighings uniquely determine the false coin and whether it is lighter or heavier.



Problem/Paradox:
There are countably infinite many prisoners sitting in a row
(i.e. the prisoners are numbered 1,2,3,4,5,... on to infinity)

One day a judge comes and says to them:
Tomorrow you will each be given either a black or a white hat. You will be able to see the hats of those prisoners with a higher number than yours, but not the hats of those prisoners with a lower number than yours. You will not be able to see your own hat. You will then each simultaneously write down a guess of either black or white on a piece of paper. If you guess your own hat color correctly, you will be set free. Otherwise you will be executed.

The prisoners discuss all night what they will do. One suddenly realizes that, with a proper strategy, they can ensure that almost 100% of them will survive. What is that strategy?
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LossLeader
Profile Joined December 2007
Canada10 Posts
January 22 2008 20:34 GMT
#59
On January 23 2008 04:35 RzzE wrote:
If that was correct (or even if it wasn't ) I'd like to propose the following puzzle:

Four people are on one side of a bridge in the dark. The bridge can only support 2 people at a time. There is only one torch among the four of them and the torch needs to be carried along with the pair crossing the bridge.

The people take different times to cross the bridge:It takes them 10 mins, 5 mins, 2 mins and 1 min respectively. A pair crossing the bridge walks at the speed of the slowest of the two of them.

What is the minimum time for all of them to have crossed the bridge?

Answer:
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17 mins



I guess I must still be in 6th grade, but it seems that this is a bit of a trick question.

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To answer the question as worded the answer to me would be 16 mins. However, the 1 min person will still be on the same side of the bridge, having crossed the bridge with the 10min person, returning which takes 1 min, and then brought the torch back allowing the 5 min (and 2 min) person to cross with the torch.

If the 4 people are to remain on the opposite side of the bridge, would not the answer be 19 mins, as the 1 min person has to come back twice taking an additional 2 mins, to accomany the others on their respective trips. Please explain how 17 min is correct
.
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
January 22 2008 20:39 GMT
#60
Your phrasing of the old monty hall problem is very bad. He asks which one of his friends will be released. To anyone who understands english well, this implies that he realizes only one of them will be released.

To give an everyday sort of example, if you were choosing your schedule for college, and you had a list of math classes, I wouldn't ask "which one are you taking," unless I already knew you were only taking one of them. I don't know any native english speaker who would.
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