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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 13:41:45
January 22 2008 13:34 GMT
#1
Someone posted this in my bw qq(chat) group just now and I thought people on TL would like this. Original names are replaced with English ones.

John and Mike are both pupils of Mr.Stevenson, Mr.Stevenson's birthay is on M/N, M = Month, N = Date. Mr. Stevenson told John "M" and Mike "N". John and Mike both know Mr.Stevenson's birthday is one of the following 10 dates.

3/4 3/5 3/8

6/4 6/7

9/1 9/5

12/1 12/2 12/8

John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

Mike says: "I didn't know it at first, but now I know it"

John says: "Now I know it too."

From the above conversation, figure out what Mr.Stevenson's birthday is.

Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 22 2008 13:56 GMT
#2
haha my friend gave this to me in stats class
was wtf at first but yea
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Imagination
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
243 Posts
January 22 2008 13:59 GMT
#3
either 9/1 or 12/1
my guess is 12/1
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
January 22 2008 13:59 GMT
#4
+ Show Spoiler +
6/4 ?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
Imagination
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
243 Posts
January 22 2008 14:00 GMT
#5
+ Show Spoiler +
i dont have any logic, im bad for riddles, but mike said 'i didnt know it at FIRST' so he might be telling him a clue that its on january
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:08:52
January 22 2008 14:02 GMT
#6
argh.. ignore what i said earlier lol
...from the land of imba
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
January 22 2008 14:02 GMT
#7
Its more logic than math imo..
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:10:26
January 22 2008 14:04 GMT
#8
The month can't be 12 or 6. The guy starts off by saying his friend can't know the date. Both december and june have days exclusive to them and there is no way for John to know that Mike didn't get an insta-win. My guess is Mike's number is a 5. So either 3/5 or 9/5.

btw, I don't understand why it starts "If I don't know the date.." How on earth could he know the date? All he was given was the month of the year and every single month has more than one day that it could be.. There's no if.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
January 22 2008 14:09 GMT
#9
On January 22 2008 23:02 dybydx wrote:
Show nested quote +
John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

means knowing day or the month number alone is not sufficient to determine which 1 is correct

thus it can not be 6/7 and can not be 12/2


How can John know this ??? He has only the month number. There is no way to reach that conclusion.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:15:53
January 22 2008 14:11 GMT
#10
On January 22 2008 23:04 BlackJack wrote:
The month can't be 12 or 6. The guy starts off by saying his friend can't know the date. Both december and june have days exclusive to them and there is no way for John to know that Mike didn't get an insta-win. My guess is Mike's number is a 5. So either 3/5 or 9/5.

btw, I don't understand why it starts "If I don't know the date.." How on earth could he know the date? All he was given was the month of the year and every single month has more than one day that it could be.. There's no if.

+ Show Spoiler +
ah it´s 9/1. misread something

1. statement: month 3 and 9 are left
2. statement: days 1, 4 and 8 are left
3. statement: day 1 is left => 9/1


lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:23:25
January 22 2008 14:14 GMT
#11
+ Show Spoiler +
John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

Means that it cant be either in the month 6 since thn Mike could have known the date 6/7.
It cant be any in the month 12 either for the same reason.


Mike says: "I didn't know it at first, but now I know it"

Means it is one of the number which are single days 3/4 3/8 and 9/1

John says: "Now I know it too."

means it is 9/1

I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:16:19
January 22 2008 14:16 GMT
#12
nvm
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
January 22 2008 14:17 GMT
#13
maybe we should all use spoiler tags
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-01-22 14:26:00
January 22 2008 14:19 GMT
#14
argh,...
...from the land of imba
lakrismamma
Profile Joined August 2006
Sweden543 Posts
January 22 2008 14:24 GMT
#15
On January 22 2008 23:19 dybydx wrote:
Show nested quote +
John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

means knowing day or the month number alone is not sufficient to determine which 1 is correct

thus it can not be 6/7 and can not be 12/2

Show nested quote +
Mike says: "I didn't know it before, but now I know it"

Mike realizes that if John knows day number is insufficent, it means it can not be 6/X or 12/X
Now Mike knows the number.

Show nested quote +
John says: "Now I know it too."

John realizes his statement allow Mike to deduce the month number. This means the day number must b 8, since 8 is in both 3/X and 12/X

ANSWER: 3/8


Haha you are falling at the finish..
I hear thunder but theres no rain. This type of thunder breaks walls and window panes.
Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
January 22 2008 14:27 GMT
#16
Yeah I didnt understand why it couldnt be 12\8
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 22 2008 14:31 GMT
#17
John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

means knowing day or the month number alone is not sufficient to determine which 1 is correct

thus it can not be 6/7 and can not be 12/2. Thus John knows it can not be 6/X or 12/X

Mike says: "I didn't know it before, but now I know it"

Mike realizes that it can only be 3/X or 9/X
Now Mike knows the number.

John says: "Now I know it too."

John realizes his statement allow Mike get the month, thus it can not be 3/5 or 9/5
This leaves 3/4, 3/8 and 9/1
Now John has the answer. Because the number he has is 9

ANSWER: 9/1

Meander got it first. GJ
...from the land of imba
.MistiK
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Netherlands347 Posts
January 22 2008 14:38 GMT
#18
how can you conclude that if 12/2 is impossible, 12/1 and 12/8 are impossibe too?
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
January 22 2008 14:40 GMT
#19
On January 22 2008 23:31 dybydx wrote:
Show nested quote +
John says: "If I don't know the date, then Mike can't either"

means knowing day or the month number alone is not sufficient to determine which 1 is correct

thus it can not be 6/7 and can not be 12/2. Thus John knows it can not be 6/X or 12/X

Show nested quote +
Mike says: "I didn't know it before, but now I know it"

Mike realizes that it can only be 3/X or 9/X
Now Mike knows the number.

Show nested quote +
John says: "Now I know it too."

John realizes his statement allow Mike get the month, thus it can not be 3/5 or 9/5
This leaves 3/4, 3/8 and 9/1
Now John has the answer. Because the number he has is 9

ANSWER: 9/1

Meander got it first. GJ


Maybe it is because of my English, but I don't get it at all.
If you can explain the first statement a little bit more, that would help me understand the whole thing a lot.
靈魂交響曲
dybydx
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada1764 Posts
January 22 2008 14:41 GMT
#20
Statement 1: John has the month number, and using that number alone, he knows Mike will not be able to determine the date. Thus John knows the date is not 6/7 or 12/2. He knows this because the month number he got is not 6 and not 12.
...from the land of imba
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