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Duke
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-25 15:20:35
December 25 2007 15:19 GMT
#1
Now that I've got your attention with that opener that no doubt shows "getting drunk on xmas" on the tab, I'm going to brief you on my shitty situation, because all my friends are busy with their family shit.

My dad is an alcoholic, and for three years in a row, he's been drunk on christmas day(I'm underage so this sucks extremely). This day is especially bad, because my aunt and uncle are supposed to be picking us up in 3 hours to go to the family party @ their place. The family knows he's an alcoholic but it just seems fucked up to call them up right now and say we can't go because he's passed out drunk.
Some of you will probably say, 'well you can go without him!' Whenever my dad's drunk i usually take care of him, making sure he doesn't fall down flights of stairs, tying his shoes so he can go outside and smoke, etc... I'll skip a little cause I got off my train of thought

My grandparents said especially yesterday that "if you don't show up, we'll know it's because the gifts we got you sucked" -- they said this because me and my dad have a history of avoiding family gatherings from lacking motivation due to depression or anxiety related issues. so I feel 23902352x worse because of something my dad can't get a grip on. this sucks a lot.

anyway, back to a paragraph earlier, I'd be waaay too anxious leaving him alone when he's piss drunk.

tl;dr - alcoholism tears apart families

also, I don't write blogs because they'd always be about depressing shit and no one wants to read that all the time.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-25 15:35:10
December 25 2007 15:34 GMT
#2
This is a shitty Christmas for TL.

When your aunt and uncle arrive tell them the situation, and if your grandparents don't like it, their loss.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
December 25 2007 15:44 GMT
#3
Get the guy some help already. Don't just aid him in it, help him get it under control.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 25 2007 16:25 GMT
#4
Its hard for me to grasp the idea of someone that's so drunk that he can't tie shoe laces or safely navigate a staircase... yet he's still awake. That's some hardcore drunk. I'd suggest going without him, and consider staging an intervention of some kind in the near future. Best of luck to you.
Oxygen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada3581 Posts
December 25 2007 16:27 GMT
#5
Dude, I speak from some experience... not as bad as yours, but gl, it will get better.
Dont drink and derive. TSL: Made with Balls.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
December 25 2007 16:39 GMT
#6
My gf's dad is a severe alcoholic with some random suicidal tendancies. It's no fucking good. Never realized how bad it actually was (always knew it was bad but it was never like real, my uncle is an alcoholic but again never effects me so I never bothered much) until I got close with her family. My condolances to you, sucks hard.
Nak Allstar.
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
December 25 2007 16:51 GMT
#7
Try to get your dad to AA somehow.
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
December 25 2007 16:55 GMT
#8
Situations like this are always hard, and I hope that things work out the best. I think explaining to your aunt and uncle like someone suggested is the best route to go. Its shitty to hear this on christmas and even though we're only through the internet, I just want you to know that I think I speak for everyone when I say that we're all here for you as much as possible and wish you a merry x-mas more than anything. I sincerely hope your day turns out for the best and you are able to do what makes you happy on this day. Best of luck.
OctoPuSs
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Canada5279 Posts
December 25 2007 17:15 GMT
#9
Man your situation is even worse than mine. I think he has reached a point where you need to force him into a program. Best of luck lad.
Depression is just a sarcastic state of mind. Liquid`HerO Fighting!
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5502 Posts
December 25 2007 17:31 GMT
#10
Tell your aunt and uncle and get them to help you, you shouldn't be taking care of your drunk father on Christmas. Do you live only with your father? Someone should have intervened by now, your family should be helping you, not leaving you to take care of your drunk father.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
BoGardFurY
Profile Joined November 2005
United States68 Posts
December 25 2007 17:48 GMT
#11
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
December 25 2007 17:53 GMT
#12
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.


you're an asshole.
davidgurt
Profile Joined September 2006
United States1355 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-25 18:00:21
December 25 2007 17:59 GMT
#13
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.




Which mod wants to give him one-way ticket to Disneyland for his Christmas gift?
There's crashing?
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
December 25 2007 18:02 GMT
#14
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.


The /b/ attitude barely works over there and it sure as fucking hell won't work here, fuck off
We make signature, then defense it.
[cF]TridenT
Profile Joined August 2004
United States665 Posts
December 25 2007 18:14 GMT
#15
Im probably going to try to get piss drunk to help numb the pain of what just happened to me.. Every present I opened this morning reminded me of my ex girlfriend.. I just want to get away from everything today :\.. But to your situation that sucks.. maybe it will help prevent me from gettin stupid drunk around the family because of how it will make them feel.. :\ gah i hate life so much right now...
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
BombSniffingDog
Profile Joined October 2007
Turkmenistan107 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-25 19:15:47
December 25 2007 19:09 GMT
#16
Trident, the sun will come out tomorrow!

OP I can relate to your depression anxiety issues. This year and last year I have spent christmas by myself in my studio apartment because I am too fucked up in the head to go see my family who I haven't seen in over 2 years. My girlfriend even invited me over to her house ( I have been with her a year ) and I declined because of depression/anxiety issues. Fuck, I just met her mother for the first time and I have been with her for a year. It was kinda strange, but easy once it was actually happening. I psyche myself out alot. Anyway I am pretty sure at this point I am going to die a lonely old man. I think I am numb to the whole concept of 'family' and I think it's really sad and selfish of me. I think if I ever got the courage to actually speak to my father again, it would be alot easier to go to my grandparents house with all my family. I miss the macaroni salad and the chicken wings the wood pellet stove and the nice comforting atmosphere, but all of that seems so distant now, since I am fucked up in the head and burn bridges left and right. Anyway, hope everyone here is grateful for their families, have a merry christmas!

Edit: and just as I finished typing this, my dad sent me a text message ( he got my cell from my sister ) that said ' merry christmas luv u dad '. I am not going to respond, just because I am that selfish and fucked up. Sometimes I feel I am incapable of caring about anything but myself and it is the w o r s t feeling in the world. OP hope you don't mind me talking here, my point was I can relate to the depression and anxiety issues. Hopefully one day when I have a family on my own I will be a great father and a great husband. Hopefully I am not numb to love and compassion like I am now, or else, what is this life really for?
GranDim
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Canada1214 Posts
December 25 2007 19:30 GMT
#17
On December 26 2007 04:09 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Trident, the sun will come out tomorrow!

OP I can relate to your depression anxiety issues. This year and last year I have spent christmas by myself in my studio apartment because I am too fucked up in the head to go see my family who I haven't seen in over 2 years. My girlfriend even invited me over to her house ( I have been with her a year ) and I declined because of depression/anxiety issues. Fuck, I just met her mother for the first time and I have been with her for a year. It was kinda strange, but easy once it was actually happening. I psyche myself out alot. Anyway I am pretty sure at this point I am going to die a lonely old man. I think I am numb to the whole concept of 'family' and I think it's really sad and selfish of me. I think if I ever got the courage to actually speak to my father again, it would be alot easier to go to my grandparents house with all my family. I miss the macaroni salad and the chicken wings the wood pellet stove and the nice comforting atmosphere, but all of that seems so distant now, since I am fucked up in the head and burn bridges left and right. Anyway, hope everyone here is grateful for their families, have a merry christmas!

Edit: and just as I finished typing this, my dad sent me a text message ( he got my cell from my sister ) that said ' merry christmas luv u dad '. I am not going to respond, just because I am that selfish and fucked up. Sometimes I feel I am incapable of caring about anything but myself and it is the w o r s t feeling in the world. OP hope you don't mind me talking here, my point was I can relate to the depression and anxiety issues. Hopefully one day when I have a family on my own I will be a great father and a great husband. Hopefully I am not numb to love and compassion like I am now, or else, what is this life really for?


Just respond now.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
December 25 2007 19:44 GMT
#18
On December 26 2007 04:09 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Trident, the sun will come out tomorrow!

OP I can relate to your depression anxiety issues. This year and last year I have spent christmas by myself in my studio apartment because I am too fucked up in the head to go see my family who I haven't seen in over 2 years. My girlfriend even invited me over to her house ( I have been with her a year ) and I declined because of depression/anxiety issues. Fuck, I just met her mother for the first time and I have been with her for a year. It was kinda strange, but easy once it was actually happening. I psyche myself out alot. Anyway I am pretty sure at this point I am going to die a lonely old man. I think I am numb to the whole concept of 'family' and I think it's really sad and selfish of me. I think if I ever got the courage to actually speak to my father again, it would be alot easier to go to my grandparents house with all my family. I miss the macaroni salad and the chicken wings the wood pellet stove and the nice comforting atmosphere, but all of that seems so distant now, since I am fucked up in the head and burn bridges left and right. Anyway, hope everyone here is grateful for their families, have a merry christmas!

Edit: and just as I finished typing this, my dad sent me a text message ( he got my cell from my sister ) that said ' merry christmas luv u dad '. I am not going to respond, just because I am that selfish and fucked up. Sometimes I feel I am incapable of caring about anything but myself and it is the w o r s t feeling in the world. OP hope you don't mind me talking here, my point was I can relate to the depression and anxiety issues. Hopefully one day when I have a family on my own I will be a great father and a great husband. Hopefully I am not numb to love and compassion like I am now, or else, what is this life really for?


I'd respond just to at least let them know you're alive.
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
December 25 2007 20:01 GMT
#19
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.

People like you ruin Christmas
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9618 Posts
December 25 2007 20:16 GMT
#20
On December 26 2007 04:44 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2007 04:09 BombSniffingDog wrote:
Trident, the sun will come out tomorrow!

OP I can relate to your depression anxiety issues. This year and last year I have spent christmas by myself in my studio apartment because I am too fucked up in the head to go see my family who I haven't seen in over 2 years. My girlfriend even invited me over to her house ( I have been with her a year ) and I declined because of depression/anxiety issues. Fuck, I just met her mother for the first time and I have been with her for a year. It was kinda strange, but easy once it was actually happening. I psyche myself out alot. Anyway I am pretty sure at this point I am going to die a lonely old man. I think I am numb to the whole concept of 'family' and I think it's really sad and selfish of me. I think if I ever got the courage to actually speak to my father again, it would be alot easier to go to my grandparents house with all my family. I miss the macaroni salad and the chicken wings the wood pellet stove and the nice comforting atmosphere, but all of that seems so distant now, since I am fucked up in the head and burn bridges left and right. Anyway, hope everyone here is grateful for their families, have a merry christmas!

Edit: and just as I finished typing this, my dad sent me a text message ( he got my cell from my sister ) that said ' merry christmas luv u dad '. I am not going to respond, just because I am that selfish and fucked up. Sometimes I feel I am incapable of caring about anything but myself and it is the w o r s t feeling in the world. OP hope you don't mind me talking here, my point was I can relate to the depression and anxiety issues. Hopefully one day when I have a family on my own I will be a great father and a great husband. Hopefully I am not numb to love and compassion like I am now, or else, what is this life really for?


I'd respond just to at least let them know you're alive.


"thanks dad, love you too, have a great one."

not hard.
FalliNinLove
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Slovakia865 Posts
December 25 2007 21:33 GMT
#21
My friend got same problem, but his dad is agressive when he is drunk, so he waited and when he was 18 he beat up his drunken dad cos he was trying to hurt his mom. After that his dad stayed sober for some time :/ But i cant help u with this. Its just bad.
Polar
Profile Joined September 2007
Swaziland274 Posts
December 25 2007 21:40 GMT
#22
Wow. Makes me feel lucky hearing about some of these fucked up stories. I'm usually the drunkest, most obnoxious member of my family at gatherings and I just say inappropriate and sneak the young'uns beer. =]
xBTx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada542 Posts
December 26 2007 18:41 GMT
#23
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.


Merry Christmas
stuffing feathers up your butt doesnt make you a chicken
zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
December 27 2007 04:21 GMT
#24
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.


seeing posts like these makes me think your an insecure pussy who talks shit on other tl.net members on xmass. what a walking abortion. i got drunk this xmass but i sure wasn't a fag like you.
its me, tasteless,s roomate LOL!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
December 27 2007 07:48 GMT
#25
Next time hes super drunk drive him to AA and drop him off on the porch or whatever. Do this everytime he gets really drunk, he'll get the hint eventually.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
December 27 2007 11:20 GMT
#26
On December 26 2007 02:48 BoGardFurY wrote:
maybe your Father wouldn't drink so much if you weren't such an pussy. My X-mas is so much better knowing you exist and are miserable. Hit the bottle buy a gun and become a hero.

Please don't reproduce. I couldn't handle the thought of you having any input towards humanity's gene pool.
Oh no
SolaR-
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States2685 Posts
December 27 2007 15:11 GMT
#27
you should get drunk yourself, idiot
duh.........
omgbnetsux
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States3749 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 18:38:40
December 27 2007 18:38 GMT
#28
On December 28 2007 00:11 CultureMisfits wrote:
you should get drunk yourself, idiot
duh.........

Alcoholic parents aren't funny.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
December 27 2007 18:48 GMT
#29
On December 28 2007 03:38 omgbnetsux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2007 00:11 CultureMisfits wrote:
you should get drunk yourself, idiot
duh.........

Alcoholic parents aren't funny.


Seconded.

You don't know how annoying is to have someone being really drunk and demanding you to respect him. Not to talk about the times he gets violent.

If you're not familiar with these situations just don't post.
SonuvBob: Yes, the majority of TL is college-aged, and thus clearly stupid.
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-27 18:49:16
December 27 2007 18:48 GMT
#30
Seriously, first of all stop nursing him like he's a 14 year getting drunk the first time.
He's a grown up man for fuck sake, he has to make his own choices, and if its his choice to get so pissed that he can't stand on christmas, then he has to deal with it, not you. If you keep caring for him and helping him whenever he's passed out drunk he'll never ever consider stopping drinking. Because he knows that you'll always be there helping him.

My dad had his christmas ruined x amounts of times cuz of my grandfather. He was always shit faced on christmas, which resulted in that my dad never even had one beer on christmas or any other family tradition (except new year that is) because he knows how alcohol fuck things up.

Christmas is a holiday for kids, it's not meant to be ruined by alcoholic parents. Let him be, if he falls down a stair, good for him, that oughta teach him something... hopefully. And maybe it's time to consider forcing him into some kind of treatment, because this sounds like it's gone over the line by far..

I guess since it's december the 28th today it's already too late to make a decision whether to go to your aunt or not. But seriously, stop treating him with care when he's drunk, let him be on his own. And get him some help.

Winners never quit, quitters never win.
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