The China Politics Thread - Page 19

On June 19 2022 22:18 arbiter_md wrote:
I find it funny when people from China use the expression "western propaganda". Guess they deep inside know their whole media is controlled by state propaganda and implicitly extrapolate to other countries as having their own propaganda machines. They don't realize the media in developed countries are controlled by different entities and each has their own interests most related to financial matters. So, there's no synchronization. No single voice that dictates what should people "think".

It's also interesting to see how they rush to defend any attack on their leaders. When somebody criticizes my country political leaders, I will usually just add some of my own arguments. There's always something that those people that control politics do wrong. And even if somebody will make some critics that I find unfair, I might disagree but will inevitably add my own points to criticize.

For people from dictatorial countries however, their political leaders are doing everything well. Yes, there are problems in their country that are critical, but it's not their leader's fault. Something else is in the way. And the best candidate for that something else is of course some external force These things are so similar in all the dictatorship countries.

On June 19 2022 22:48 Sermokala wrote:
Why do you keep insisting people travel to an area they think there are internment camps to uncover secrets of the ccp? Do you think that it's a compelling argument to dare people to get arrested by a dictatorship? I don't want to die or end up in a Chinese jail and I don't feel safe going to a nation that so clearly discriminates against foreigners. GH would never want to actually go to China even and he's trying his best to carry water for the "guys china doesn't have pollution it's just a bbc filter everyone keeps using to take pictures of smog" idea.

The whole part about the holocaust being known due to it being after the fact with monuments has no connection to modern internment camps that we've seen evidence for them existing. Just because your government denies things doesn't mean that you have to accept it wholesale. You are a human being capable of critical thinking and problem solving.

On June 20 2022 00:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
I visted Shanghai about 5 years ago. Plane touched down and the air was a yellow fog. I was assured it was not normally like this, but it remained yellow for the entire time I was there.

The middle class and richer do their best to essentially live work and play in filtered air conditioned rooms and will not drink water from out of the tap. The poor may not have a choice. I was warned repeatedly not to drink tap water, not even if it was boiled. Don't know if things have changed since then.

On June 19 2022 22:48 Sermokala wrote:
... GH would never want to actually go to China even and he's trying his best to carry water for the "guys china doesn't have pollution it's just a bbc filter everyone keeps using to take pictures of smog" idea.

Over the last few decades, China has gained a reputation for being one of the most polluted countries in the world. Yet, it hasn’t been in the top five since 2016...

Amid one of the worst stretches of air pollution in modern Chinese history, Premier Li Keqiang declared a “war against pollution” at the beginning of 2014 during the opening of China’s annual meeting of the National People’s Congress. The timing of the declaration—at the kickoff of a nationally televised conference typically reserved for discussing key economic targets—marked an important shift in the country’s long-standing policy of prioritizing economic growth over concerns about environmental protection. It also marked an important change in the government’s official rhetoric about the country’s air quality. In the past, state media had deflected concerns about air quality by claiming poor visibility was due to “fog” and that emissions had no effect on levels of smog. Now, the government stressed environmental responsibility, stating the country could not “pollute now and clean up later” and would fight pollution with “an iron fist.”

Due to these actions, all the targets set by the National Air Quality Action Plan, which expired in 2017, were met. China’s government, however, remained acutely aware that the country’s air pollution was still a serious problem. To achieve further improvements, the Chinese government announced in July 2018 a new plan for 2018-2020. Regions that did not meet the national air quality standard of 35 µg/m3would need to reduce particulate pollution by 18 percent relative to 2015 levels. Though the national targets are less ambitious than those set for 2013-2017, some prefectures set more stringent targets for themselves in their local five-year plans. For example, Beijing committed itself to a 30 percent reduction from 2015 levels by 2020 and as per the latest satellite data, it ended up reducing pollution by 55.5 percent in this period.

The Chinese government’s air pollution reduction strategies have largely allowed the country to win its war against pollution. Between 2013 and 2020, particulate pollution exposure declined by an average of 39.6 percent across the Chinese population. If that reduction is sustained, it would equate to a gain in average life expectancy of 2 years. To place China’s success impact into context, the reductions in pollution account for all of the global average decline since 2013.

To put the scale and speed of China’s progress into context, it’s useful to compare it to the United States and Europe after their periods of industrialization. In the United States, following the passage of the Clean Air Act, it took almost three decades and five recessions to achieve about the same percent decline. In Europe, after their environment agency was created, it took about two decades and two recessions to achieve approximately China’s percent reduction.

On June 20 2022 11:27 SSIII wrote:
I have to create an account because you are talking about MY country.
China launched her 3rd carrier-type003 the day before yesterday, but don't worry too much, it's made in China

On June 20 2022 10:25 [JXSA].Zergling wrote:
To develop the economy, there must be many factories. China has not yet reached the high-tech economic era. The previous economic development in Europe and the United States was also based on pollution. Europe and the United States were a hundred years ago, and China was a few decades ago. Vietnam's economy is developing rapidly. It is also because a large number of factories are stationed in Vietnam. I believe Vietnam will also have a lot of pollution. Because China is too big, the pollution will be very serious.

The Chinese government has always stressed the need for economic transformation, the closure of polluting enterprises, and the transformation of labor-intensive enterprises into high-tech enterprises. In fact, it is very difficult, because there are still many poor places in China. It is good to have factories. Only economically developed places can do it.

On June 20 2022 22:00 JimmiC wrote:

They were banned because they were pretending to be Chinese. It continually happens, and is likely happening now too. To the China one country thing, people in Tibet Xinjiang, Hong Kong and more would disagree.