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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
As for Xinjiang, I really don't live in Xinjiang, so my knowledge is limited. I have two classmates who have worked in Kashgar, Xinjiang for three years, and I have friends who live in Urumqi, Xinjiang. I also have 7-8 friends who have traveled to Xinjiang, but I haven't been there. I can only learn from their words that ordinary people in Xinjiang are very satisfied with the status quo and hate terrorists very much. Both Uighurs and Han people living in Xinjiang have a good life, and life safety is their biggest appeal. As for what millions of people are imprisoned by the government, my friends and I who have lived and worked in Xinjiang think it is absurd and not worth refuting. If you believe it, I can do nothing. As for Hong Kong, this is a very complicated issue, but if you want to say oppression, it does not exist. Can you tell me more about how the government oppressed the people of Hong Kong? In fact, Hong Kong is caused by economic problems. The high housing prices and the huge pressure of job competition. They just threw these real-life pressures on the Chinese government because of various problems caused by the downturn of Hong Kong's economy. I don't want to defend anyone. I just want to share the real life and current situation in China.The improvement of the living standards of ordinary people is a result of our own efforts, not of charity.There are lazy people around us. Their life will be very poor. | ||
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Samsakzerg
61 Posts
On June 16 2022 11:55 [JXSA].Zergling wrote: You mentioned two issues, one is Xinjiang, the other is Hong Kong. As for Xinjiang, I really don't live in Xinjiang, so my knowledge is limited. I have two classmates who have worked in Kashgar, Xinjiang for three years, and I have friends who live in Urumqi, Xinjiang. I also have 7-8 friends who have traveled to Xinjiang, but I haven't been there. I can only learn from their words that ordinary people in Xinjiang are very satisfied with the status quo and hate terrorists very much. Both Uighurs and Han people living in Xinjiang have a good life, and life safety is their biggest appeal. As for what millions of people are imprisoned by the government, my friends and I who have lived and worked in Xinjiang think it is absurd and not worth refuting. If you believe it, I can do nothing. As for Hong Kong, this is a very complicated issue, but if you want to say oppression, it does not exist. Can you tell me more about how the government oppressed the people of Hong Kong? In fact, Hong Kong is caused by economic problems. The high housing prices and the huge pressure of job competition. They just threw these real-life pressures on the Chinese government because of various problems caused by the downturn of Hong Kong's economy. I don't want to defend anyone. I just want to share the real life and current situation in China.The improvement of the living standards of ordinary people is a result of our own efforts, not of charity.There are lazy people around us. Their life will be very poor. What a load of horse shit. No Uyghur would dare saying how they feel to you or your friends. In fact, they are so scared now, they would not share their pain with anyone that is not a blood relative. People, farmers, teachers, professors, journalists are all being locked up, Uyghur isnt even taught in school anymore. WHAT are you talking about here?Have a good life? Happy with the status quo? Are you serious? Were the Chinese people happy with the status quo when Japan invaded and occupied some cities? NO WAY, still in school books and Chinese films Japan is blasted into oblivion. Even the Ching dynasty, Rulers being of non Han, is mocked and spat on in SCHOOL BOOKS! No Uyghur is satisfied by life in Xinjiang, they want you and your 7,8 friends and CCP gone, back home to China and leave them along. CCP is the only terrorist in China. Stop lying, you are defending CCP policies and the oppression in Xinjiang, stop spreading lies, stop pretending to be soft and impartial, you are not fooling anyone. The Uyghurs have suffered enough under the CCP, you dont seem to know and you dont seem qualitied to speak on their behalf. The Han chinese are benifitting from all government policies in Xinjiang, the strategy is to migrate as many from inner China as possible to tip the population balance, in the 1950s there were 5% Han Chinese in Xinjiang, Now close to 50%. Han youth are constantly shown Uyghur females portrayed as beautiful dancers to encourage inter ethnicity marriage so that the population is even more diluted. Some families are threatened and promised money. China has invaded Xinjiang and Tibet, CCP aims to wipe out their languages, culture and take those land forever. That is whats happening, stop sugarcoating and bullshiting around. | ||
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Samsakzerg
61 Posts
But.... Uyghurs and Tibetans are different people, their social structure and culture were completely different, and frankly those areas very sparsely populated and did not suffer from famine as much. It is a shame another culture with a bigger population comes in, destroys all the culture, community and most of all, spiritual aspects of a group of people. And then says "oh look, we all have cars, smartphones and our kids nice and fat now" That is not all life or cultural development is about, that is not what makes everyone happy. Sadly China is a train full speed ahead in consurmerism, eating more and bigger, spending, driving etc. thousand year old Kashgar has been demolished, all the spiritual sites in the taklamakan desert shut or removed with saints' bones scattered, and the reason is always " BUT BUT YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, We brought you progress, and smartphones!" | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 14 2022 11:15 Manit0u wrote: But isn't self government a form of independence? Scotland has self government. It has its own parliament. It is also most definitely not independent. Independence has a very specific meaning - that you are sovereign and don't belong to another country legally. It is of great symbolic significance. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 16 2022 13:28 Samsakzerg wrote: oh on the point about life being so much better for most of the Chinese people nowadays. Yes it is true, millions have been saved from poverty and hunger, the economic advancement is real. But.... Uyghurs and Tibetans are different people, their social structure and culture were completely different, and frankly those areas very sparsely populated and did not suffer from famine as much. It is a shame another culture with a bigger population comes in, destroys all the culture, community and most of all, spiritual aspects of a group of people. And then says "oh look, we all have cars, smartphones and our kids nice and fat now" That is not all life or cultural development is about, that is not what makes everyone happy. Sadly China is a train full speed ahead in consurmerism, eating more and bigger, spending, driving etc. thousand year old Kashgar has been demolished, all the spiritual sites in the taklamakan desert shut or removed with saints' bones scattered, and the reason is always " BUT BUT YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL, We brought you progress, and smartphones!" It is quite sad but the Communist Party has always been a racist institute. No ethnic minorities are represented in the Politburo for example. No wonder the rights and opinions of the ethnic minorities such as the Uyghurs and Tibetans are ignored. | ||
KwarK
United States43934 Posts
On June 16 2022 14:29 gobbledydook wrote: Scotland has self government. It has its own parliament. It is also most definitely not independent. Independence has a very specific meaning - that you are sovereign and don't belong to another country legally. It is of great symbolic significance. Scotland has some administrative independence but they're still out of the EU despite voting to stay. Where it counts they don't govern themselves. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2605 Posts
On June 16 2022 22:42 KwarK wrote: Scotland has some administrative independence but they're still out of the EU despite voting to stay. Where it counts they don't govern themselves. Generally speaking foreign policy is one of the key indicators of independence. As you just proved, Scotland is not independent. | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
Around 2000, I enjoyed watching BBC documentaries about China, even though it unabashedly pointed out a lot of social issues, because I thought it made sense. But since about 2012, BBC has gradually resented me when reporting on China, first of all, a very obvious filter that makes people look like China is full of sand; There are also accuses from time to time, until it starts making up things that don't exist,I stopped watching any western media, such as bbc, cnn, lse. . And I am not the only one who has this view. In China, in my university, this is basically the consensus. But I don't think all Westerners are hostile to China, there are foreigners at my university, and I have a pretty good relationship with them. Finally, I am indeed a CCP member, certainly not a propaganda robot.that's a joke. My hometown is in Shanxi Province, China. The scenery here is not bad. If you are a person who is interested in China, you can contact my email.i could afford you some rolls. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8850 Posts
"i am not a propaganda robot" | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: account made this month and first post in the china thread. "i am not a propaganda robot" It's a joke!!  | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5800 Posts
On June 18 2022 23:38 Yancychen wrote: I am a Chinese who liked to play StarCraft and stumbled upon this section. I guess none of you who think there is apartheid in Tibet in Xinjiang has been there. I also know you would say why i have to go there to understand a place. I, as a Chinese, I tell you the most basic reasons. Chinese have been utterly disappointed in the Western media. Around 2000, I enjoyed watching BBC documentaries about China, even though it unabashedly pointed out a lot of social issues, because I thought it made sense. But since about 2012, BBC has gradually resented me when reporting on China, first of all, a very obvious filter that makes people look like China is full of sand; There are also accuses from time to time, until it starts making up things that don't exist,I stopped watching any western media, such as bbc, cnn, lse. . And I am not the only one who has this view. In China, in my university, this is basically the consensus. But I don't think all Westerners are hostile to China, there are foreigners at my university, and I have a pretty good relationship with them. Finally, I am indeed a CCP member, certainly not a propaganda robot.that's a joke. My hometown is in Shanxi Province, China. The scenery here is not bad. If you are a person who is interested in China, you can contact my email.i could afford you some rolls. The accusation that BBC applies some filters to make it look like China is full of sand is a bizarre one. Perhaps it could have something to do with an increase in content from Xinjiang, which happens to be full of sand... | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:27 maybenexttime wrote: The accusation that BBC applies some filters to make it look like China is full of sand is a bizarre one. Perhaps it could have something to do with an increase in content from Xinjiang, which happens to be full of sand... I am also very confused, but after comparing, I found that the bbc indeed did this, and I don't know what kind of consideration is it for? here is this. i dont know if you could see this picture? https://imagepphcloud.thepaper.cn/pph/image/115/824/714.jpg | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: account made this month and first post in the china thread. "i am not a propaganda robot" lol I really don't have much evidence to prove that I'm not a robot, but if you're happy about it, that's good | ||
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LennX
4568 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: account made this month and first post in the china thread. "i am not a propaganda robot" Are you familiar with the term "wumao"? | ||
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Sermokala
United States14105 Posts
It got really really really bad back in 2013 but they've been doing a lot to try and help out the situation. | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
of course i know that The word was placed at the end of a sentence, presumably meaning that this sentence was said by a robot or that someone had paid me to say it . The word can be a joke or used to accuse the other person of being hired to tell a lie. It's quite complicated lol "wumao" is RMB ,which is 0.5 yuan. | ||
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Yancychen
China17 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:59 Sermokala wrote: Thats not sand thats airborne pollution or smog. They had to shut down swathes of power plants and heavy manufacturing for like 60 days or something so that it would be clean enough on television. It got really really really bad back in 2013 but they've been doing a lot to try and help out the situation. At first, I thought the same thing you would, but this filter is used in various parts of China, even in some places with very good scenery where i have been there .but that place never have pollution or smog. so.. quite weird ，right？ | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5800 Posts
On June 19 2022 00:32 Yancychen wrote: I am also very confused, but after comparing, I found that the bbc indeed did this, and I don't know what kind of consideration is it for? here is this. i dont know if you could see this picture? https://imagepphcloud.thepaper.cn/pph/image/115/824/714.jpg Got a comparison of actual videos instead of some poor quality images? | ||
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